Look at it this way.
If you worked in an industry with a strong union and it was possible for you to better your pay and conditions, would you turn down the opportunity to do so?
No, no you wouldn't, so I'd suggest if you're jealous of those who do have that opportunity that you either join their industry or unionise your own industry. Don't try and take that right away from others.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114391]Look at it this way.
If you worked in an industry with a strong union and it was possible for you to better your pay and conditions, would you turn down the opportunity to do so?
No, no you wouldn't, so I'd suggest if you're jealous of those who do have that opportunity that you either join their industry or unionise your own industry. Don't try and take that right away from others.[/QUOTE]
So basically you're striking and demanding better pay just because you have the ability to? Not because you actually deserve it? This is precisely why an increasing number of people are against unions.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48114398]So basically you're striking and demanding better pay just because you have the ability to? Not because you actually deserve it? This is precisely why an increasing number of people are against unions.[/QUOTE]
No, the dispute is mainly about night running and new rosters which will give us an even worse chance at having a decent social life.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114325]
I'd challenge you to find any other job in which a working class person can earn £50k without any qualifications before joining the job!
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
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Basically you're a bunch of greedy cunts. If you don't like the wages (which are amazing for no qualifications) then fuck off and give the job to people who can appreciate it.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114404]No, the dispute is mainly about night running and new rosters which will give us an even worse chance at having a decent social life.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the demand for night running isn't going to disappear just because you're all throwing a tantrum about it. Third shift jobs exist for a reason, and if you don't want one, don't work it. If you don't end up dealing with it then they're just going to end up replacing you with machines who wont cost the city billions of dollars.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48114415]Unfortunately, the demand for night running isn't going to disappear just because you're all throwing a tantrum about it. Third shift jobs exist for a reason, and if you don't want one, don't work it. If you don't end up dealing with it then they're just going to end up replacing you with machines who wont cost the city billions of dollars.[/QUOTE]
We already do more than 3 shifts. There are approximately ten different shifts.
[QUOTE]EVERY JOB MATTERS - DEFENDING JOBS ON LONDON UNDERGROUND
This week you and your colleagues voted massively in favour of industrial action in our dispute to defend your jobs and conditions. As you know, we have been in dispute with London Underground since 2014 over their proposals for stations which would see massive job losses and a wide-ranging restructuring of your grade. Following a sustained period of industrial action we were able to force LU to put their plans on hold to allow detailed discussions with your reps. Frankly these discussions were a sham and LUL are now pressing full steam ahead with a massive attack on your jobs and conditions.
Over 800 jobs will be lost leaving staff overworked and stations understaffed. Staffing levels are being cut to the bone with more weekend and nightworking but they have ignored our real and genuine concerns about fatigue and unsociable hours so we have strongly rejected their roster proposals. The increase in lone working in particular has serious safety implications when, as we all know, assaults on staff are a serious risk, particularly during late shifts. On top of this their plans will allow managers to move station staff around almost at will with only 24 hours notice, all under the banner of “flexibility”. This “flexibility” would also allow them to force you to cover Higher Grade work without any enhanced pay, all of which will result in a casualised workforce.
The reality is that London Underground have rushed headlong into a huge cuts programme which will leave an exhausted, under resourced workforce trying to maintain a safe service. The General Grades Committee has considered the ballot result and the clear will of members and has decided to call Station Staff members to take strike action and industrial action short of a strike which is outlined as follows: -
All Station Grades members are instructed not to book on for any shift that commences between: -
18:30 hours on Wednesday 8th July 2015 until 18:29 hours on the Thursday 9th July 2015.
Also, all Station Grades are instructed not to carry out any overtime from 21:30 hours on Thursday 9th July 2015 until further notice.
The strong mandate you have delivered sends a clear message to LUL that their plans are totally unacceptable. I urge you and your colleagues to stand firm during the industrial action. Management cannot be left in any doubt that Station Staff are united and determined to fight against the unacceptable job losses, unacceptable displacements, unacceptable rosters, and unacceptable changes to your terms and conditions.
STAND FIRM
UNITY IS STRENGTH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]RATE OF PAY AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE 2015 AND NIGHT RUNNING LONDON UNDERGROUND
Firstly you should all be congratulated for the massive yes vote in favour of industrial action which sends a clear message to LUL that RMT members stand united and are prepared to fight for a fair pay increase.
The company's below inflation offer on pay and Night tube is simply not good enough. It would see your pay fall well behind the rate of inflation and will see you burdened with even more unsociable hours, bring an end to any meaningful work/life balance, and dilute your hard fought terms and conditions.
Their pathetic one off lump sum offer for introducing Night Tube is frankly insulting. A £500 lump sum paid in two stages for COO and CPD Operational Staff, with £250 extra for Drivers, Track and Signal Staff, goes nowhere near far enough to compensate for the major upheaval this will mean for your working arrangements.
The General Grades Committee has considered the clear and overwhelming mandate from members and has decided to call you and your colleagues to take the industrial action outlined below.
All LU members, excluding Train Operators And Instructor Operators are instructed not to book on for any shifts that commence between:-
18.30 hours Wednesday 8th July 2015 and 18.29 hours Thursday 9th July 2015
Train Operator and Instructor Operator members only are instructed not to book on for any duties that commence between: -
21.30 hours Wednesday 8th July 2015 and 21.29 hours Thursday 9th July 2015
ALL LU members are instructed not to work any overtime from 21.30 hours on Thursday 9th July 2015 until further notice.
I urge LUL members to stand shoulder to shoulder with your colleagues during the days of action. We must send a clear message to LU and their political masters that we will accept nothing less than a substantially improved offer. It is your hard work and dedication that keeps London running and its only right you should receive a decent offer that keeps pace with the cost of living and reflects the long hours and hard work you do.
SUPPORT THE ACTION
UNITY IS STRENGTH[/QUOTE]
While I understand the reasons for a strike, doing a strike doesn't really appear to do much other than piss the public off to an extend and possibly even make TfL think "Fuck it, it might cost us, but lets automate as much shit as we can that way we dont have strikes and less people to pay."
Also for the love of God don't strike on the 14th, I swear everytime I go down to my fianceé's which requires using the tube, I either just miss a strike or there's threats of strike that thankfully don't happen on the day of me travelling.
Like last year with the strikes then, it neccecitated me moving up my travel plans (i ended up planning to go a week earlier) then that fucking thing happened where the signal room 9I think) in Victoria got flooded by concrete. Thankfully I realised I could go Euston>Waterloo rather than Euston>Victoria. Also, somewhat fucked if a strike does happen because don't london buses only take Oysters now? I'm on a paper ticket so I'm a bit knackered.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114422]We already do more than 3 shifts. There are approximately ten different shifts.[/QUOTE]
"Third shift" is sometimes used as a colloquial term for graveyard/overnight shifts. I'm not referring to your actual third shift position.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;48114426]While I understand the reasons for a strike, doing a strike doesn't really appear to do much other than piss the public off to an extend and possibly even make TfL think "Fuck it, it might cost us, but lets automate as much shit as we can that way we dont have strikes and less people to pay."
Also for the love of God don't strike on the 14th, I swear everytime I go down to my fianceé's which requires using the tube, I either just miss a strike or there's threats of strike that thankfully don't happen on the day of me travelling.
Like last year with the strikes then, it neccecitated me moving up my travel plans (i ended up planning to go a week earlier) then that fucking thing happened where the signal room 9I think) in Victoria got flooded by concrete. Thankfully I realised I could go Euston>Waterloo rather than Euston>Victoria. Also, somewhat fucked if a strike does happen because don't london buses only take Oysters now? I'm on a paper ticket so I'm a bit knackered.[/QUOTE]
Paper tickets will be accepted on London Buses during the strike.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114391]you're jealous[/QUOTE]
It's Blackmail with a sense of entitlement at the expense of thousands who rely and need those tubes to earn their own wage.
It's this smug sense of greed for why songs like this were made:
[QUOTE=MissZoey;48114030][video=youtube;0dftDPLAylU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dftDPLAylU[/video][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vasili;48114479]It's Blackmail with a sense of entitlement at the expense of thousands who rely and need those tubes to earn their own wage.
It's this smug sense of greed for why songs like this were made:[/QUOTE]
People will still get to where they're going. Leave half an hour earlier and take the bus. It's not a big deal. London has an extensive bus network.
wow £30k sounds like a lot from my suburb not living in london, not owning a £5000 a year season ticket and not having to deal with a bunch of shitty commuters
[QUOTE=X12321;48114317]If you want more money why don't you get more skills and get a better job? lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just pull up your boot straps and go on down to the job tree where jobs are plentiful. Just keep picking, fill those baskets faster slave or you'll get the whip. It'll all trickle down eventually.
Also they should strike for air conditioning too because from what I understand the tube is stupidly fucking hot currently.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114497]People will still get to where they're going. Leave half an hour earlier and take the bus. It's not a big deal. London has an extensive bus network.[/QUOTE]
Yeah thanks, why use the tube at all when I could just leave half an hour earlier and catch a bus?
[QUOTE=ChocolateCake;48114409]Basically you're a bunch of greedy cunts. If you don't like the wages (which are amazing for no qualifications) then fuck off and give the job to people who can appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
Nobody is ever supposed to "appreciate" their job. You work hard, and then you get paid a respectable sum for the good work you did, that's what a job is. There's no such thing as "work is it's own reward" and nobody has to appreciate anything.
Not necessarily taking a stance on whether this strike is called for, but people should just dispense with the "darn ungrateful strikers" shit. Everybody in the service sector is unilaterally under-payed, so stop digging your claws into people who are doing something about it.
[QUOTE=Vasili;48114539]Yeah thanks, why use the tube at all when I could just leave half an hour earlier and catch a bus?[/QUOTE]
because it's on strike
remember to set your alarm
[QUOTE=Vasili;48114539]Yeah thanks, why use the tube at all when I could just leave half an hour earlier and catch a bus?[/QUOTE]
London is a pretty city. Sit on the top deck and see the sights instead of looking at a tunnel wall!
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114556]London is a pretty city. Sit on the top deck and see the sights instead of looking at a tunnel wall![/QUOTE]
And you know be stuck in traffic for two hours, because you can't use the generally fastest way to move around in a city?
Ahh the joys of powerful unions, where the pay is never enough and fuck everyone else
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114404][B]No[/B], the dispute is mainly about night running and new rosters which will give us an even worse chance at having a decent social life.[/QUOTE]
but you literally just said
[quote]
Look at it this way.
If you worked in an industry with a strong union and it was possible for you to better your pay and conditions, would you turn down the opportunity to do so?
No, no you wouldn't, so I'd suggest if you're jealous of those who do have that opportunity that you either join their industry or unionise your own industry. Don't try and take that right away from others.[/quote]
which translates to "we do it because we can"
this strike is stupid, almost every other tube strike is stupid, unions always get carried away
This kinda feels like you're striking purely because you just can. You're not really giving any clear reason as to why you're joining your union strike.
Also you're already on a much better wage than most people who are doing [I]non-qualified work.[/I] Yeah the hours might be shit but fucking deal with it, it comes with the job. Striking wont make the situation any better, its just pissing off the public and the business as it sounds is getting more and more reason to automate their lines.
Its like the mine strikes all over again in a way.
[QUOTE=Jackald;48114619]Ugh, fuck off with striking. I've had to re-arrange my travel plans on the last two fucking proposed strikes and now I have to do it again for this one. Do you just stalk my diary or something waiting for the rare occasions when I have to travel into London?! All this does is kill sympathy from the public. You really think anyone is going to give a shit about the train unions when you constantly fuck everyone else over.
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
How much are you currently getting paid and for how many hours?[/QUOTE]
£30,079 for 37.5 hours a week.
[editline]3rd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reagy;48114666]This kinda feels like you're striking purely because you just can. You're not really giving any clear reason as to why you're joining your union strike.
Also you're already on a much better wage than most people who are doing [I]non-qualified work.[/I] Yeah the hours might be shit but fucking deal with it, it comes with the job. Striking wont make the situation any better, its just pissing off the public and the business as it sounds is getting more and more reason to automate their lines.
Its like the mine strikes all over again in a way.[/QUOTE]
LU are closing every ticket office and cutting 900 jobs, then recruiting people to do the same job as the ticket office staff were for £13000 a year less, but with extra responsibility.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114670]£30,079 for 37.5 hours a week.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty decent...
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48114612]And you know be stuck in traffic for two hours, because you can't use the generally fastest way to move around in a city?[/QUOTE]
You're just jealous because you don't work in an industry where you can unionise and fuck over a huge amount of people whenever you don't get your way.
Isn't dumb shit like this why they're moving to automate the trains? If so they better do it quick.
If 98% of a company's workforce is unhappy with changes the company are bringing in, why are you lot getting pissed off with the workers?
Perhaps if the company listened to its staff in the first place there'd be no need to strike, then everyone's happy.
[QUOTE=draugur;48114525]Yeah, just pull up your boot straps and go on down to the job tree where jobs are plentiful. Just keep picking, fill those baskets faster slave or you'll get the whip. It'll all trickle down eventually.
Also they should strike for air conditioning too because from what I understand the tube is stupidly fucking hot currently.[/QUOTE]
Because unions are known for how much they help grow businesses. You know when a company is forced to pay their brain dead positions more money I'm pretty sure they don't open up more job positions.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114556]London is a pretty city. Sit on the top deck and see the sights instead of looking at a tunnel wall![/QUOTE]
Yeah, why have a tube system at all if people can use the buses?
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114670]£30,079 for 37.5 hours a week.
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To put that into context, how many hours might you have to do if the proposed changes went through?
[QUOTE=X12321;48114725]Because unions are known for how much they help grow businesses. You know when a company is forced to pay their brain dead positions more money I'm pretty sure they don't open up more job positions.[/QUOTE]
Tube workers are hardly brain dead. I'd suggest spending a day working on a station. You'd hate it.
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