• Biggest Tube strike in 10 years next week
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[QUOTE=Boss;48118874]You one of them over paid fuckers that sit on the platform indicating when a train is arriving / leaving? Can't wait for transmission based signalling to really kick off and replace the traditional systems then we'll see a nice slash in the amount of staff required for train operation.[/QUOTE] I hate to tell you but the Victoria line has had a form of TBTC since 1969 and still requires staff on the platforms and in the cab of the trains.
[QUOTE=steelman111;48114128]Strikes are just an excuse for selfish lazy people to have a few days off and screw over the general public, there's loads of people out there on minimum wage who work hard for it, you don't see them striking every five minutes, I fucking bet these strikers are not on minimum wage and don't do anywhere near as hard work as what some of us on minimum wage do in shitty dirty factories and warehouses. I have to lug around 20-30kg loads of shit constantly like a robot for 12 hours a night and I'm on £6.50 an hour and only get a 30 minute break, do you see people like me striking constantly?[/QUOTE] Are you a 12 year old Ayn Rand? [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48115145]Okay, i'm sorry, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG THEN? There's 168 in a week, and with those hours you get only 130 for your own time. Out of that, lets see that you sleep 8 hours a day and take out additional 56 hours off your week = thats 74 hours of leisure time. You basically get fucking 2,500 quid for a month, which is around 625 quid a week, [b]which is roughly 16.666 quid PER HOUR[/b], [i][b]without needing qualifications[/b][/i] and you still fucking complain? My girlfriend roughly will earn 1300 while working in an elderly care service, and she requires extensive training to even get there. I was first semi-supporting your protest, but since you've laid out all your cards, your protest and everyone who thinks its a good idea can fuck right off. Sorry for harsh words, but I'm really mad that such "entitlement" exists.[/QUOTE] Then you should complain that your GF is not paid enough, not that these guys should be ok with their wage, your way of thinking is exactly what the big capital owners need and love.
And what about the people who have job interviews that day, perhaps they want to see a relative in hospital, or maybe just want to go to work to fucking support themselves? It feels as if rail workers are constantly planning strikes, despite having incredibly high wages for relatively little qualifications.
[QUOTE=Noss;48119183]And what about the people who have job interviews that day, perhaps they want to see a relative in hospital, or maybe just want to go to work to fucking support themselves? It feels as if rail workers are constantly planning strikes, despite having incredibly high wages for relatively little qualifications.[/QUOTE] That's why strikes don't come out of the blue and I really don't get how your constructed example is proving anything, the same logic can be applied in the exact opposite way. It's basically the "but somebody think about the kids!" of this thread.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48119196]That's why strikes don't come out of the blue and I really don't get how your constructed example is proving anything, the same logic can be applied in the exact opposite way. It's basically the "but somebody think about the kids!" of this thread.[/QUOTE] The fuck are you talking about? Thousands of people rely on these services every day, and the workers are extremely well compensated and often earn more than those with a degree after only being there for a year or two. These people are disrupting so many people's lives because they're greedy and know that they have the public's balls in a vice. All of Bengley's problems such as his 4 hours of transport a day (boo hoo I travel 3 hours and make £7800 a year) are entirely self made and the public should not be made to suffer from this. Rail strikes are tactically planned to cause as much disruption as possible and it is fucking disgusting.
DLR method will be the way forward they'll phase train drivers out as the public become more and more confident with the technology. You're literally an overpaid security guard.
I'm surprised there are still any supporters of tube unions in the UK, besides members of the unions themselves. Still haven't seen Bengley give an actual, honest to god decent reason for striking, and I'm still confused why they're doing it. It seems incredibly self centered and self destructive, what would you actually gain from it? Your pay will bloat a little more than it already is? Alright, what ARE the conditions you're working in? Elaborate. You've said that it's hot and that you feel like you don't get enough social time working 38 hours a week, what else? What are your responsibilities and how do they end up being played out every day? What's an average day look like for you?
[QUOTE=Noss;48119225]The fuck are you talking about? Thousands of people rely on these services every day, and the workers are extremely well compensated and often earn more than those with a degree after only being there for a year or two. These people are disrupting so many people's lives because they're greedy and know that they have the public's balls in a vice. All of Bengley's problems such as his 4 hours of transport a day (boo hoo I travel 3 hours and make £7800 a year) are entirely self made and the public should not be made to suffer from this. Rail strikes are tactically planned to cause as much disruption as possible and it is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Yes strikes are planned to have an effect. And many people relying on them doesn't suddenly strip them off their rights. By your logic doctors would be working in slave-like conditions because there would be almost no way for them to fight for working onditions. Well if you've ever worked in a hospital you'll know that they actually have really shit working conditions. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=cccritical;48119352]I'm surprised there are still any supporters of tube unions in the UK, besides members of the unions themselves. Still haven't seen Bengley give an actual, honest to god decent reason for striking, and I'm still confused why they're doing it. It seems incredibly self centered and self destructive, what would you actually gain from it? Your pay will bloat a little more than it already is? Alright, what ARE the conditions you're working in? Elaborate. You've said that it's hot and that you feel like you don't get enough social time working 38 hours a week, what else? What are your responsibilities and how do they end up being played out every day? What's an average day look like for you?[/QUOTE] You know you could do a little research about the general reasons instead of relying on anecdotal stories that are easily disputable because they are on a very personal level. Bengley working in the buisiness doesn't mean he is the man-for-all and the way people are talking about him in here to let out their anger about the strikes is pretty disgusting. The most disgusting thing is people complaining about their shitty payment/working conditions and then criticizing others for taking action about theirs. It's basically "well if I can't have something nice so can't they". [url]https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/ballot-records-overwhelming-vote-for-action-on-northern-rail/[/url] [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] [quote]The issues behind the dispute relate to the removal of permanent posts and the creation of zero hour jobs via the contract with security company STM, cuts to booking offices and attacks on the role and responsibility of train guards. The key issues are: • Reneged on agreement. Northern Rail reneged on a previous agreement not to increase STM staff levels during the current franchise. In the last 18 months jobs on the inferior STM contract have increased from 150 to 500, jeopardising Northern Rail jobs. RMT asked Northern Rail for current figures on the STM contract but the company chose to decline to give us this information, hiding behind the cloak of commercial sensitivity. • Zero hour contracts. STM employees have the right to work on decent pay and conditions. They currently find themselves part of a two tier workforce on zero hour contracts. • Compulsory Redundancies. Northern Rail have given NO commitment to no compulsory redundancies beyond the end of the current franchise in February 2016. • Eroding Safety. Northern Rail have a long term vision that actively erodes the safety critical responsibilities of the guard with aspirations of introducing a new grade of ticket examiners on reduced pay and conditions. • Exploiting Loopholes. Northern Rail continue to exploit loop holes in the law that allows for sub-contracted labour to occupy permanent minuted railway posts indefinitely. This exploitation is now imposed on the East and West of the franchise. • Attacking the role and responsibility of the guard. Bidders for the new franchise must be committed to the removal of guards from 50% of services before 2020. • Reductions to opening hours at booking offices across the network. The Department for Transport is supposed to enforce a minimum legal standard of opening hours for Booking Offices known as ‘Schedule 17’. In spite of this Northern Rail, embarked on a series of reductions to overall opening hours at booking offices across the network. RMT General Secretary Mick Cash said: “RMT has made every effort to win assurances from Northern Rail over jobs, services and safety. However, the company continues to ride roughshod over our efforts. “We therefore had no option but to ballot all staff for action to force the company to take these issues seriously and the members have now voted decisively for action. That mandate will now be considered by the union. “The union is committed to ending the two-tier workforce that the STM contract creates and calls for all workers to be brought in-house on decent pay and conditions. “We are also committed to keeping ticket offices opening and defending guard’s jobs, which are safety-critical. “The union will continue to build its campaign to expose the sharp practices that Northern Rail is using simply to increase profit at the expense of its workforce. RMT remains available for talks and we expect the company to now take this dispute, and the issues at the heart of it, seriously.”[/quote] Hmmm, looks like it's not just an issue of payment/hour. Who would've thought that the problems are pretty complex and can't just be evaluated by a simple "I'm with/I'm against them"?
[QUOTE=Killuah;48119358] The most disgusting thing is people complaining about their shitty payment/working conditions and then criticizing others for taking action about theirs. It's basically "well if I can't have something nice so can't they".[/QUOTE] But what's causing him or anyone else to actually strike? Why do they feel short-changed? How are the conditions so bad for them that they need to shut down public transport for millions in London? I'd also severely doubt the honesty of that article. That's the page for one of the unions striking and it cites absolutely none of its information. A good amount of it is hearsay or opinion even if it's all taken at face value. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;48119358] Hmmm, looks like it's not just an issue of payment/hour. Who would've thought that the problems are pretty complex and can't just be evaluated by a simple "I'm with/I'm against them"?[/QUOTE] funny you'd boil it down to with them/against them when your source IS one of the unions, I haven't been able to find anything on their conditions that isn't from a union or union member online
[QUOTE=cccritical;48119398]But what's causing him or anyone else to actually strike? Why do they feel short-changed? How are the conditions so bad for them that they need to shut down public transport for millions in London? I'd also severely doubt the honesty of that article. That's the page for one of the unions striking and it cites absolutely none of its information. A good amount of it is hearsay or opinion even if it's all taken at face value.[/QUOTE] The answers to your question are in the part of my post that you didn't quote. How do you expect the unio to "cite" stuff like [quote] Zero hour contracts. STM employees have the right to work on decent pay and conditions. They currently find themselves part of a two tier workforce on zero hour contracts. [/quote] or [quote]Exploiting Loopholes. Northern Rail continue to exploit loop holes in the law that allows for sub-contracted labour to occupy permanent minuted railway posts indefinitely. This exploitation is now imposed on the East and West of the franchise.[/quote] How do you cite that shit? And also it doesn't work like that. You can't ask "well what reasons DO these unions have to strike " and when I give you these reasons from the very unions you asked about you doubt the honesty of the article. It dosn't work like that from an argumentative point and it also doesn't work because you're basically accusing them of making that shit up when you doubt the issues they list. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] As for other sources, luckily that stuff has been discussed in 2014 when the very same reason(budget cuts) caused the same problems: [url]http://londonist.com/2014/02/a-look-at-the-reasons-behind-the-tube-strike.php[/url] [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] Say what, you can do it yourself, I don't need to defend people striking, the facts do it [url]https://www.google.com/search?q=tube+strike+london+blo&oq=tube+strike+london+blo&aqs=chrome..69i57.4832j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=tube+strike+london+reasons[/url] strikes is what got us the standards we have today and by not supporting them you are eroding your own rights in the long run. [url]http://usvsth3m.com/post/84222538018/12-reasons-all-londoners-should-support-the-tube[/url] As for most of this thread: see point 3
[QUOTE=Bengley;48114162]I find it quite insulting being called lazy. Have you tried working in a tunnel for 8 hours in the sweltering heat, with people sneezing all over you, abusing you, constant queries from passengers, all while trying to maintain a safe environment for hundreds, if not thousands of people every minute at all hours of the day and having no social life as a result? EVERYONE should have the right to a strong union which can put pressure on the company for better conditions. And before anyone says we're paid enough already... £30k in London is not a fantastic wage. I net approximately £1600 a month - try paying rent for a flat in London for that much and afford to be able to have an enjoyable life.[/QUOTE] People here are making more than five times less for twice as much work. No wonder everybody is off to England :v:
[QUOTE=Killuah;48119415]The answers to your question are in the part of my post that you didn't quote.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;48119358]Yes strikes are planned to have an effect. And many people relying on them doesn't suddenly strip them off their rights. By your logic doctors would be working in slave-like conditions because there would be almost no way for them to fight for working onditions. Well if you've ever worked in a hospital you'll know that they actually have really shit working conditions. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] You know you could do a little research about the general reasons instead of relying on anecdotal stories that are easily disputable because they are on a very personal level. Bengley working in the buisiness doesn't mean he is the man-for-all and the way people are talking about him in here to let out their anger about the strikes is pretty disgusting.[/QUOTE] ??? Did I miss it somewhere in here? Or are you talking about the article written by the union, supporting the union, with few verifiable facts in it that I replied to you about? [QUOTE=Killuah;48119415] How do you expect the unio to "cite" stuff like [quote]Zero hour contracts. STM employees have the right to work on decent pay and conditions. They currently find themselves part of a two tier workforce on zero hour contracts.[/quote] or [quote]Exploiting Loopholes. Northern Rail continue to exploit loop holes in the law that allows for sub-contracted labour to occupy permanent minuted railway posts indefinitely. This exploitation is now imposed on the East and West of the franchise.[/quote] How do you cite that shit? [/QUOTE] [url=http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/labours-biggest-union-donor-used-zerohour-contracts-10151441.html]like[/url] [url=http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/25/zero-hours-contract-rise-staff-figures]this?[/url] Oh no, a part time job with flexible hours, the horror. Loopholes I can believe but again, if you sign yourself up as part time and start getting handed full time hours, you can have your hours reduced. It IS shitty when it happens to the worker but I really doubt anyone is being forced to work 55-77 hour weeks like logistics drivers. [QUOTE=Killuah;48119415] And also it doesn't work like that. You can't ask "well what reasons DO these unions have to strike " and when I give you these reasons from the very unions you asked about you doubt the honesty of the article. It dosn't work like that from an argumentative point and it also doesn't work because you're basically accusing them of making that shit up when you doubt the issues they list.[/QUOTE] I asked for [i]good[/i] reasons and I haven't seen any that can actually be legislated yet. There are some problems endemic to literally every single job 99.9% of people will ever hold, like temp positions working full time hours, but that's something you find in every industry, and it's not something that can be solved with a strike. [QUOTE=Killuah;48119415] As for other sources, luckily that stuff has been discussed in 2014 when the very same reason(budget cuts) caused the same problems: [url]http://londonist.com/2014/02/a-look-at-the-reasons-behind-the-tube-strike.php[/url] [/QUOTE] look at that, you're citing something! that's an article worth reading, not the union's own propaganda [QUOTE=Killuah;48119415] Say what, you can do it yourself, I don't need to defend people striking, the facts do it [url]https://www.google.com/search?q=tube+strike+london+blo&oq=tube+strike+london+blo&aqs=chrome..69i57.4832j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=tube+strike+london+reasons[/url][/QUOTE] really? lmgtfy? [QUOTE=Killuah;48119415] strikes is what got us the standards we have today and by not supporting them you are eroding your own rights in the long run. [url]http://usvsth3m.com/post/84222538018/12-reasons-all-londoners-should-support-the-tube[/url] As for most of this thread: see point 3[/QUOTE] I absolutely agree, without unions and labor groups way back in the days of railroad tycoons and robber barons we'd all be living in corporate housing working just to survive. But, um, and this is kind of awkward, but have you noticed that working conditions are a [i]little[/i] different now? Like, £30,079 for 37.5 hours a week is pretty hard to justify with "back in my day we were no better off than slaves!" I still think that these strikes cause far more harm than good. They'll benefit a very, very small fraction of Londoners in the short term while absolutely screwing the other millions trying to get from A to B, and it's hastening their own demise with automation. I honestly haven't seen a valid point presented yet that has a tangible solution, especially not a problem that will be solved by striking. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] And hey, if you really want me to, I can tear into that third article of yours there. It's pretty garbage, did you read it over? I'm assuming that's what you meant by point three, and that's really no leg to stand on. [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] Apologies if I've come off a bit passive aggressive. I'm glad for the discussion, you've raised points I wouldn't have become aware of on my own.
[quote]like this? Oh no, a part time job with flexible hours, the horror.[/quote] Both of these articles basically say that these contracts are very bad??? Why are you downplaying them sarcastiaclly? [quote]Loopholes I can believe but again, if you sign yourself up as part time and start getting handed full time hours, you can have your hours reduced. It IS shitty when it happens to the worker but I really doubt anyone is being forced to work 55-77 hour weeks like logistics drivers.[/quote] The point is that they have better cotracts right now and are forced into worse ones through loopholes. Everything beyond that is not even up for debate. How is it not ok to fight against that?
Reading this thread is strange. Like, there's a lot of British people in here complaining about the strikes as well. I don't know how many of you guys are Londoners as well so I can't comment either way, but I do feel something needs to be pointed out to people who [I]aren't[/I] living in the UK: I've noticed some in this thread drawing comparisons; comparisons between their own financial situation in their city, how £30,000 is a lot of money (and so they should - it is a lot), living in other expensive cities, so on, so forth. But I think it's a bigger picture than that. London is suffering from a huge housing crisis. And that in itself isn't right - renting or buying, we have some of the most vastly inflated costs in the world. We're comprised of a lot of boroughs - it used to be that zone 1 used to be considered the poshest and most expensive parts here, but you'd be okay and things were more affordable if you were around zone 2/3 and outer and stuff. It's.. more difficult now; there are places like Hackney and Brixton which used to have this sort of dismal association with them of being crime hotspots - suddenly it's being gentrified. Pubs and more pop-up places, and houses being advertised to up-and-coming professionals as being in an "edgy" area. Prices go up accordingly and nothing's being controlled (from what I understand at least, landlords are essentially free now to control prices on their own accord - we are only afforded the right against immediate eviction). Other places like Shoreditch are becoming these tech professional hotspots too. Overall it's just harder and harder to afford living in places, and in the end people who've been here for ages, doing what they can to make do, simply need to leave through no fault of their all - families who just cannot afford the city's rising prices and so on. People lose their support networks and other family and friends in the city. It's disheartening. I'm most likely going to have to leave myself, simply because I don't have money to actually now rent my own place, and that makes me feel more empathic towards the staff behind this. I'm still not fully sure how I feel towards the strike (I need that Wednesday on the tube, for example), but I do feel strongly against this callous attitude towards the people there as a whole. It just fosters further hatred because people forget these are human beings too. It is an important job, one that so many people rely on to keep London flowing - and since it's that important, I think some of those might very well need the money to support themselves and their units.
[QUOTE=Octavius;48118143]The person was trying to calculate his leisure time. Transit time matters in that if you want to be accurate when calculating it. So he doesn't really seem to be just complaining there.[/QUOTE] It actually doesn't, as transit time is relative. On top of that if you're not driving yourself, you can easily combine travel time with leisure and or catching a catnap. Particularly when going for more than an hour. @ruffled - welcome to the vicious cycle of 90% of european cities. For instance rents in Prague are double/tripple those outside of it. Multiple old working districts are gentrified and prices flare up. Which is why the metro system is so crucial for a modern city. Huge amounts of people don't live in the center.
[QUOTE=Reagy;48114683]That's pretty decent...[/QUOTE] 11,700 for 30. :(
[QUOTE=Bengley;48113996][IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02447/2001-trains-parked_2447141k.jpg[/IMG] Tube staff from the four major tube unions (RMT, ASLEF, TSSA and Unite) will walk out from 18:30 on Wednesday for 24 hours next week in a dispute over pay, rosters and night running (the tube is to go 24hr on Fridays and Saturdays from 12 September) [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/tube-strike-live-july-tfl-london-underground-wednesday-thursday-10364656.html[/url] This is expected to cause major disruption to tube services on Wednesday evening and there will be no tube services whatsoever on Thursday. I am one of the staff who will walk out and join my colleagues on the picket line at my zone 1 station on Thursday! If anyone has any questions about the strike I'll try to answer below. If anyone wants to come and join our picket line, we'd be thrilled to have some extra support on Thursday. My staff pass: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ArKYo31.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] You're on over £30,000 a year. Quit complaining. Such an inherently selfish, greedy act.
I'm just hoping the companies do the right thing and meet the workers list of needs/wants fast so they can get it up and running again. Think about it this way, they help the workers out then they're going to have workers that actually want to work instead of disappointed and miffed off workers that are likely to strike causing more delays. Really don't care what it takes, strike actions are almost always for a good cause as most companies seek only to earn profit with little responsibility placed at the top end. Come work with me, where each day is a competition to see who can do the least amount of work because taking action just leads to the company telling you in the kindest way possible "no and fuck off" to almost any request for a payrise or any change or improvement to facilities.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;48120911]You're on over £30,000 a year. Quit complaining. Such an inherently selfish, greedy act.[/QUOTE] Apparently you haven't read the thread. I don't necessarily agree with the strike action for pay - this action is relating to night running, roster changes and staff cuts too. (Despite TfL posting record profits last year). I'm perfectly happy with my salary and wouldn't complain at a lack of pay rise (despite many in the private sector getting a pay rise this year)
[QUOTE]Regular soldier pay. Regular soldiers receive over £278 a week in Phase 1 training, which rises to at least £17,945 a year depending on which Army job you do. Some specialist roles receive extra pay.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Salaries vary between forces but the typical starting salary for police constables in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is £23,317 and £25,962 after initial training. In Scotland it's slightly higher, starting at £23,493 and rising to £26,223 after completing the initial training period.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.[/QUOTE] And you moan? Get fucked mate.
[QUOTE=Four20;48121264]And you moan? Get fucked mate.[/QUOTE] Apparently you haven't read the thread. I don't necessarily agree with the strike action for pay - this action is relating to night running, roster changes and staff cuts too. (Despite TfL posting record profits last year). I'm perfectly happy with my salary and wouldn't complain at a lack of pay rise (despite many in the private sector getting a pay rise this year) Also British Transport Police officers in London are on a pay scale which ends 6 years after they join when they will be on £46k and I believe all police are on a similar sliding scale.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48121252]Apparently you haven't read the thread. I don't necessarily agree with the strike action for pay - this action is relating to night running, roster changes and staff cuts too. (Despite TfL posting record profits last year). I'm perfectly happy with my salary and wouldn't complain at a lack of pay rise (despite many in the private sector getting a pay rise this year)[/QUOTE] So how many (more, or in total) night shifts are you supposed to be obligated to do per, say month? Or year? Drivers or Staff.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;48121455]So how many (more, or in total) night shifts are you supposed to be obligated to do per, say month? Or year? Drivers or Staff.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, I haven't had a chance to look at the proposed Roster for my main station, but for one of the other stations in my group the staff would be expected to work 7 nights in a row every 5 weeks, compared to the current 0.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48121498]I'm not sure, I haven't had a chance to look at the proposed Roster for my main station, but for one of the other stations in my group the staff would be expected to work 7 nights in a row every 5 weeks, compared to the current 0.[/QUOTE] That sucks, but actually sounds kinda decent in terms of night shifting from what I've heard friends say about their own night shifts, usually places try to have people nightshift longer for one week. So 8 weeks out of 52 some will possibly have 8-9 weeks of night shifts. Hate to say it but jobs sometimes just plain suck, thats how they are. I mean, do you really think I found my job fun when I was working 6 days a week from 7am-2pm/5pm-11pm (all in one day) and then on the 7th day going to college from 9-4pm (8-5 taking travel times into consideration)
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;48121547]That sucks, but actually sounds kinda decent in terms of night shifting from what I've heard friends say about their own night shifts, usually places try to have people nightshift longer for one week. So 8 weeks out of 52 some will possibly have 8-9 weeks of night shifts.[/QUOTE] Yeah. We change shifts every week and it really fucks up your routine. Considering we're safety critical staff we should be well rested but the reality is that it's sometimes impossible to get a good night's sleep before a string of earlies (0510 start) after dead lates (0055 finish) and only one day off between.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48121574]Yeah. We change shifts every week and it really fucks up your routine. Considering we're safety critical staff we should be well rested but the reality is that it's sometimes impossible to get a good night's sleep before a string of earlies (0510 start) after dead lates (0055 finish) and only one day off.[/QUOTE] The world is becoming less based on the traditional time periods, so it's going to happen, but honestly it's either how it is now, or less long night shift periods but more regularly (less than 1 week per shift in total but more than once every 5 weeks), or less frequent shifts but for a longer amount of time (less that once every 5 weeks but longer than 7 days night shift) 85 hours a week, for at most around £18-20K per annum, on your feet always rushing around, with maybe one 45 minute break per morning or evening segment, in a hot as hell kitchen (even on cold days it was in the high 20's, let alone hot days or heatwaves). But that's just how the job was, shitty, but it's a fucking job, it's not meant to always be nice.
[QUOTE=Bengley;48121282]Apparently you haven't read the thread. I don't necessarily agree with the strike action for pay - this action is relating to night running, roster changes and staff cuts too. (Despite TfL posting record profits last year). I'm perfectly happy with my salary and wouldn't complain at a lack of pay rise (despite many in the private sector getting a pay rise this year) Also British Transport Police officers in London are on a pay scale which ends 6 years after they join when they will be on £46k and I believe all police are on a similar sliding scale.[/QUOTE] so you're a tube driver that's upset that he has to work at some point during the tube's hours of operation like what made you sit down and go "hm yeah i'd like to have a social life, maybe i'll drive some fuckin trains in the public sector" [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] i don't know i read the whole thread it just seems weird to say "yeah i love driving trains" but also "i hate that they're making me drive trains at times when i would rather be doing something else"
If I was being paid over £30k I'd be more than happy to find a way to make rough schedules work. People work night shifts in harder jobs for half that pay.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;48121649]so you're a tube driver that's upset that he has to work at some point during the tube's hours of operation like what made you sit down and go "hm yeah i'd like to have a social life, maybe i'll drive some fuckin trains in the public sector" [editline]4th July 2015[/editline] i don't know i read the whole thread it just seems weird to say "yeah i love driving trains" but also "i hate that they're making me drive trains at times when i would rather be doing something else"[/QUOTE] if you'd read the thread you'd have seen that I'm not a driver. you'd also have seen that I, along with thousands of colleagues, disagree with the proposed changes (night running) that this will bring to my role.
The way people are seeing this astounds me. Other people having it much rougher with a shitty pay means that those people are even more fucked and should also be compensated, not that unions shouldn't strike. The difference between rich and poor is as big as it ever was, if anything we should be more sympathetic and supportive towards each other, not accuse people who actually fight for something of being greedy.
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