[QUOTE=Tetracycline;27018711]At least we have someone like Glaber to give us the other side, it'd be pretty boring otherwise[/QUOTE]
Except we have people giving us the other side in a much less hyperbolic and retarded way.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27018633]Pfft, liberal rag
why would you trust those socialist scum[/QUOTE]
Yo never visited a page like this: [url]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_122710/content/Mark_Belling.guest.html[/url]
Have you?
Glaber doesn't even give the other side, if he did, he'd be able to bring up evidence and cases and proof, but no, he just brings up opinions of far right wing nut job conservative radio hosts who say what they say because it's inflammatory and gets them listeners, and wildly twist actual news to fit their agenda. I don't trust liberal media any better, but there are far better ways to get your news than this bullshit. f
[editline]27th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26982688]If you can get denied for a condition that you had in no way as a "prior" condition for it being "prior" or pre-existing, and die because of it, then I see the insurance companies are worse than any government healthcare program devised yet.[/QUOTE]
Oh, and Glaber, please explain how insurance panels denial is different/better than the actual relevant story here?
A private insurer can deny you for economic reasons, a Government insurer can deny you for any reason and can persuade a doctor with money to encourage a patient to just "move on to the next life" if they're too ill opposed to the doctor offering it up on their own with no financial incentive.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27019074]A private insurer can deny you for economic reasons, a Government insurer can deny you for any reason and can persuade a doctor with money to encourage a patient to just "move on to the next life" if they're too ill opposed to the doctor offering it up on their own with no financial incentive.[/QUOTE]
Second part sounds like economic reasons
or something that doesn't actually happen idk
That sounds awfully hypothetical. Do you have some evidence of this happening?
Well, I never heard of a private insurer dropping someone for getting a prescription that they didn't cover.
Closest example I have is this horror story form the UK where they denied a patient a drug, then the coverage after she got the drug.
[quote=UKtelegraph, 2008][B]Cancer patient Linda O'Boyle dies after NHS ends free care over 'top up'[/B]
Linda O'Boyle and her husband Brian, both retired health workers, decided to pay for treatment in addition to that available on the NHS in order to prolong her life.
Mrs O'Boyle was told that meant she was considered a private patient and so had to pay for all her treatment.
Government guidelines currently ban patients from mixing public and private care.
On Sunday, Mr O'Boyle, of Billericay, Essex, said he was appalled at the treatment of his wife, who was 64.
"We were quite happy to pay for the drug and to give the health service what it costs them to buy it and to deliver the treatment but they said they could not do that," said Mr Boyle, who was an NHS manager for 30 years.
Six other patients have begun a legal action to trigger a test case that they hope will force the NHS to allow "co-payment", as the buying of private treatment while under NHS care is called.
Some cancer drugs not yet available on the NHS can markedly increase the chance of survival.
But Alan Johnson, the Health Secretary, claims that co-payment will create a two-tier NHS, with preferential treatment for patients who can afford the extra drugs.
Last year, he issued guidance to NHS trusts telling them not to permit patients to pay for additional medicines.
When Mrs O'Boyle, who had three children and four grandchildren, developed bowel cancer and began having chemotherapy, doctors said she could boost her chances of fighting the disease by adding the drug cetuximab.
It is not routinely funded by the NHS but she decided to use her savings to pay for it.Southend University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust then withdrew her free treatment, including the chemotherapy drug she was receiving.
Mr O'Boyle said: "When she heard there was something that could extend her life, of course my wife jumped at it. It was stressful enough for Linda having cancer without all this stress on top of it."
John Baron, the Tory MP for Billericay, said: "She has been penalised by an NHS system that is grossly unfair. This is morally wrong."
A spokesman for Southend NHS Trust said: "A patient can choose whether to continue with the treatment available under the NHS or opt to go privately for a different treatment regime.
"It is explained to the patient that they can either have their treatment under the NHS or privately, but not both in parallel."[/quote]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2062737/Cancer-patient-Linda-OBoyle-dies-after-NHS-ends-free-care-over-top-up.html[/url]
In this example, the patient was on the NHS, but when she tried to get the drug that would help extend her life, her Government denied her from any more coverage.
Now I don't have any example of a Doctor being given an monetary incentive to do end-of-life planning yet. It's kind of hard to get examples when a program like this just starts.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27019396]Well, I never heard of a private insurer dropping someone for getting a prescription that they didn't cover.
Closest example I have is this horror story form the UK where they denied a patient a drug, then the coverage after she got the drug.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2062737/Cancer-patient-Linda-OBoyle-dies-after-NHS-ends-free-care-over-top-up.html[/url]
In this example, the patient was on the NHS, but when she tried to get the drug that would help extend her life, her Government denied her from any more coverage.
Now I don't have any example of a Doctor being given an monetary incentive to do end-of-life planning yet. It's kind of hard to get examples when a program like this just starts.[/QUOTE]
I remember going over this in that thread and how wrong you were there, but I see you don't fucking learn.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27019074]A private insurer can deny you for economic reasons, a Government insurer can deny you for any reason and can persuade a doctor with money to encourage a patient to just "move on to the next life" if they're too ill opposed to the doctor offering it up on their own with no financial incentive.[/QUOTE]
where the fuck are you getting this
my parents are doctors
i know loads of doctors
medicare doesn't deny you nearly as much as the private insurance companies
they don't encourange doctors to let patients die
seriously stop posting
[editline]28th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glaber;27019396]Well, I never heard of a private insurer dropping someone for getting a prescription that they didn't cover.
Closest example I have is this horror story form the UK where they denied a patient a drug, then the coverage after she got the drug.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2062737/Cancer-patient-Linda-OBoyle-dies-after-NHS-ends-free-care-over-top-up.html[/url]
In this example, the patient was on the NHS, but when she tried to get the drug that would help extend her life, her Government denied her from any more coverage.
Now I don't have any example of a Doctor being given an monetary incentive to do end-of-life planning yet. It's kind of hard to get examples when a program like this just starts.[/QUOTE]
yeah you know who else does the same thing, denying expensive drugs?
private insurance companies
glaber stop posting
Will private insurers drop you if you go ahead and buy the expensive drug anyway? I doubt it.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27020209]Will private insurers drop you if you go ahead and buy the expensive drug anyway? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
you've already admitted that you stopped learning after you finished school, why the fuck do you post like you know things?
[QUOTE=Lazor;27020247]you've already admitted that you stopped learning after you finished school, why the fuck do you post like you know things?[/QUOTE]
Glaber. How can you dumb this post?
You must of stopped learning too, Lazor. Even if my school did cover that element that i said I had no clue about, chances are I forgot about it or didn't pay close enough attention. Either way, how does some one "stop learning"?
[QUOTE=Glaber;27020309]You must of stopped learning too. Even if my school did cover that element that i said I had no clue about, chances are I forgot about it or didn't pay close enough attention. Either way, how does some one "stop learning"?[/QUOTE]
You must be one of those people that think university doesn't teach you anything.
No wonder you think as you do.
I didn't go to a University. I went to a Private College and took their Computer Animation Program.
Plus, that didn't answer the question.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27016219]That's unfortunately, the USA where the government gives incentives to Doctors to do end of life services.
Look at this: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1[/url][/QUOTE]
Ahahahaha, seriously? Recommend end-of-life services, that doesn't mean recommending them to kill themselves. It means recommending that they don't pretend that they're going to live forever. It's an attempt to help people get their affairs in order and make all the things that will happen while/after they die happen as smoothly as possible. It's giving a way for families to lessen their burdens.
[editline]28th December 2010[/editline]
[quote=glaber;27020380]i didn't go to a university. I went to ITT and took their computer animation program.
Plus, that didn't answer the question.[/quote]
[url=http://www2.itt-tech.edu/cts/index.cfm?code=1455348]went to ITT*[/url]
[QUOTE=-Dazed-;27020431]
[url=http://www2.itt-tech.edu/cts/index.cfm?code=1455348]went to ITT*[/url][/QUOTE]
Wait, Glaber really did go to ITT? Makes so much more sense now.
For those who don't know, ITT is a for-profit non-accredited "university" that has pretty much zero in the way of admissions standards.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27024521]Wait, Glaber really did go to ITT? Makes so much more sense now.
For those who don't know, ITT is a for-profit non-accredited "university" that has pretty much zero in the way of admissions standards.[/QUOTE]
Seemed appropriate to say, probably not true. I just don't believe he has any real schooling behind him.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27020380]I didn't go to a University. I went to a Private College and took their Computer Animation Program.
Plus, that didn't answer the question.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you clearly learned more about the world with an indepth education.
[QUOTE=-Dazed-;27026872]Seemed appropriate to say, probably not true. I just don't believe he has any real schooling behind him.[/QUOTE]
I went to [url=http://www.baker.edu/]Baker College[/url].
While there I had classes focused more on, drawing, Photoshop, Illustrator, math, coding, creative writing, advertising, environmental science (for one term), and package design.
[QUOTE=Glaber;27020309]You must of stopped learning too, Lazor. Even if my school did cover that element that i said I had no clue about, chances are I forgot about it or didn't pay close enough attention. Either way, how does some one "stop learning"?[/QUOTE]
gee i dunno. you tell me, you're the one who said you didn't learn anything new after you finished school.
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