• Dutch court outlaws pedophile association Martijn, says it breaches country’s moral values
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[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36562942]Come back when they're actually [I]doing[/I] illegal and harmful things rather than just talking about them.[/QUOTE] like how if you just [i]talk[/i] about murdering the president it's not a crime :downs:
[QUOTE=cccritical;36567859]like how if you just [i]talk[/i] about murdering the president it's not a crime :downs:[/QUOTE] That is literally the stupidest response you could've possibly come up with.
[QUOTE=black_tech;36567732]Wow, I thought The Netherlands was one of the few countries that were actually more liberal and open minded these days. This is very surprising.[/QUOTE] Excuse my intolerance towards people who want to abolish the age of consent entirely and keep archives of CP for 'scientific reasons'.
This thread is literally justifying Pedophilia. what the fuck is wrong with you idiots
[QUOTE=Paramud;36568638]That is literally the stupidest response you could've possibly come up with.[/QUOTE] are you saying it's incorrect or are you just getting mad about it
pedophilia is retarded and the fact you're all trying to justify it is plain disgusting try and hold a 'discussion' like this in a local bar and you'll be wrecked and thrown out within a minute by p much everyone that's present, and for good frickin' reason!!
[IMG]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/356127/1287689084837.gif[/IMG] Now you're all pedo's.
[QUOTE=Elexar;36569719] try and hold a 'discussion' like this in a local bar[/QUOTE] discussing sensitive social issues around drunks is always a good idea
[QUOTE=Elexar;36569719]pedophilia is retarded and the fact you're all trying to justify it is plain disgusting try and hold a 'discussion' like this in a local bar and you'll be wrecked and thrown out within a minute by p much everyone that's present, and for good frickin' reason!![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bukkake Chief;36569634]This thread is literally justifying Pedophilia. what the fuck is wrong with you idiots[/QUOTE] Did. You. Read. The. Thread? No one has said "Sure guys, feel free to rape kids all you want", they've just said "If these guys didn't commit a crime, they shouldn't be banned. If they have (and it seems they have), they should." If the discussion hasn't revolved around that, it's been about whether or not paedophiles are inherently dangerous. Seriously, facepunch is full of people who can twist anything to fit within their worldveiw, and if they can't they simply just throw insults around.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36569954]Did. You. Read. The. Thread? No one has said "Sure guys, feel free to rape kids all you want", they've just said "If these guys didn't commit a crime, they shouldn't be banned. If they have (and it seems they have), they should." If the discussion hasn't revolved around that, it's been about whether or not paedophiles are inherently dangerous.[/QUOTE] Well, except for Sherow, who's been all "If we just [I]tell[/I] kids what sex is and that fucking them is okay, then they won't have any problems with people fucking them! The only real reason why sex with kids is harmful is because people say it is. If we say it isn't, then it'll be fine!"
[QUOTE=Paramud;36568638]That is literally the stupidest response you could've possibly come up with.[/QUOTE] agreed [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] also I challenge people to find a post in this thread that's explicity endorsing and/or trying to justify pedophilia
[QUOTE=KaIibos;36570953] also I challenge people to find a post in this thread that's explicity endorsing and/or trying to justify pedophilia[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36563270] Being a paedophile isn't an ideology, it's a fetish.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36564048]No. There's no difference between being attracted to members of the same sex, and being attracted to children. Namely the fact that [B]you cannot help either of those.[/B] You do not choose to be gay, nor do you choose to be a paedophile.[/QUOTE] In response to this: there's a very, very big difference between sex between consenting adults of the same gender, and causing permanent psychological harm through the rape of a child. Seriously pedophilia is one of the worst things on this planet I can't believe any of you are even coming close to defending it. I understand pedophilia isn't usually a concious choice, but there's a difference between pedophiles who seek psychological help for their condition and those who just go on to cause harm to children. VVVVVVVVVVV
it's true that nobody chooses to be a pedophile. i don't really think that's anywhere close to defending it.
Why on earth did it exist in the first place?
[QUOTE=Ragnar Homsar;36571455]In response to this: there's a very, very big difference between sex between consenting adults of the same gender, and causing permanent psychological harm through the rape of a child. Seriously pedophilia is one of the worst things on this planet I can't believe any of you are even coming close to defending it. I understand pedophilia isn't usually a concious choice, but there's a difference between pedophiles who seek psychological help for their condition and those who just go on to cause harm to children. VVVVVVVVVVV[/QUOTE] yeah the difference is the difference between a pedophile and a child molester you're fucking ignorant and you're fucking stupid. neither of those posts prove your point [I]at all[/I] the only "defense" going on in this thread is the statement that pedophilia is beyond one's control. in another thread, another time, this would be about how homosexuality isn't a choice someone makes.
[QUOTE=Ragnar Homsar;36571455]In response to this: there's a very, very big difference between sex between consenting adults of the same gender, and causing permanent psychological harm through the rape of a child. Seriously pedophilia is one of the worst things on this planet I can't believe any of you are even coming close to defending it. I understand pedophilia isn't usually a concious choice, but there's a difference between pedophiles who seek psychological help for their condition and those who just go on to cause harm to children. VVVVVVVVVVV[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;36563825]There's no apology there, he's just saying that you can't arrest paedophiles for being paedophiles, for the same reason you can't arrest gay people for being gay. There's no difference between the orientations,[B] though there is a difference between the act of sex.[/B][/QUOTE] Come on now.
[QUOTE=cccritical;36569691]are you saying it's incorrect or are you just getting mad about it[/QUOTE] There is a bit of a difference between talking about a sexual attraction and [b]threatening to kill the fucking president[/b]
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;36563932]Should we just accept their socially dangerous disorder and not try to help them? Fuck no.[/QUOTE] I hear this all the time about THE GAYS and it saddens me each time. Pedophilia is not an inherently bad thing, one cannot help if they are one, but they CAN and unfortunately do CHOSE to act on it, and exploit those that are helpless against them. It's not cool to hate on others just because of something they cannot help. [editline]30th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Elexar;36569719][B]homosexuality[/B] is retarded and the fact you're all trying to justify it is plain disgusting try and hold a 'discussion' like this in a local bar and you'll be wrecked and thrown out within a minute by p much everyone that's present, and for good frickin' reason!![/QUOTE] This is what I see when I look upon posts like this. People can't help being what they are, man.
[quote]pedophile association[/quote] Wait how does this even work? What do these people do that's apparently legal enough to be open about but pedophilic enough to constitute calling themselves a pedophile association? I don't understand this at all.
I feel a little dumber every time I read one of Sgt Niall's posts.
[QUOTE=Ragnar Homsar;36571455]II understand pedophilia isn't usually a concious choice, but there's a difference between pedophiles who seek psychological help for their condition and those who just go on to cause harm to children. VVVVVVVVVVV[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, this is that magical fix I keep hearing about again. Mind telling me how you would "Cure" someone from pedophilia? [QUOTE=Elexar;36569719]pedophilia is retarded and the fact you're all trying to justify it is plain disgusting[/QUOTE] Yes, pedophilia should be justified, however, child molestation should not be. They may be related to each other but they are not the same thing.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;36574019] Yes, pedophilia should be justified, however, child molestation should not be. They may be related to each other but they are not the same thing.[/QUOTE] Please elaborate, I haven't had my cup of steaming bullshit yet.
Why does everyone hate me..
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;36574429]Please elaborate, I haven't had my cup of steaming bullshit yet.[/QUOTE] Pedophilia is the feeling of attraction to prepubescent children. Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;36574429]Please elaborate, I haven't had my cup of steaming bullshit yet.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? Do you really believe rape and being a pedophile is the same thing?
[QUOTE=Last or First;36570582]Well, except for Sherow, who's been all "If we just [I]tell[/I] kids what sex is and that fucking them is okay, then they won't have any problems with people fucking them! The only real reason why sex with kids is harmful is because people say it is. If we say it isn't, then it'll be fine!"[/QUOTE] That's not what I've been saying. I contend that if society as a whole didn't see sex as a bad [I]('dirty', 'naughty', opposite of 'innocent')[/I] and if people didn't go batshit crazy every time something to do with sex comes up [I](censorship in TV, anti-pornography views, focus on abstinence, the idea that children must not know what sex is)[/I], then it wouldn't be harmful as long as there is consent. Sex would be just any other thing you can do, and would still be harmful as any other if it is done despite a lack of consent. I don't think I got all the things, there's a lot that would need to be changed for sex to be harmless to kids, I agree very much that in our current society, any and all sexual interaction with kids is detrimental to everyone. My point is just that it [I]can[/I] be changed to be harmless, and if it can then why the hell not.
I think someone above mentioned [i]thoughtcrime[/i]. I happen to be holding a copy of [i]Nineteen Eighty-Four[/i] right now. Listen, in my opinion dismantling a group for what they think and say is an Orwellian practice, particularly in a country where the freedom to express yourself is granted; where you can say what you please without fearing prosecution. Not to delve further into [i]Nineteen Eighty-Four[/i], but this seems like a lot of [i]doublethink[/i] to me. In other words, the courts believe in the freedom of expression, while at the same time not believing in the freedom of expression. They believe in it only when the message being expressed is something they can agree with. The group is not advocating for people to go out there and break the law. They are advocating a change in the law that eliminates the sexual restrictions between adults and minors. You do not have to agree with them, but just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they deserve to be censored.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36562942]Well it's hard to say isn't it. I'll take a guess and I imagine they don't promote actual illegal activity, but rather they promote that some illegal things should be made legal. In essence they're promoting changes in our perceptions of things and changes in the law. And even if you can conscrew some of their messages as a "Hey let's all go rape children", I still find it to be a wobbly foundation to use for outlawing it. The court itself said they [I]"glorified"[/I] and [I]"presented"[/I] and [I]"promoted"[/I] things. Come back when they're actually [I]doing[/I] illegal and harmful things rather than just talking about them.[/QUOTE] Let me tell you how to construct a nuclear weapon using high-grade fuel available in US [I]research reactors that are on unguarded college campuses[/I] Don't worry it won't be illegal until you blow something up
[QUOTE=scout1;36574848]Let me tell you how to construct a nuclear weapon using high-grade fuel available in US [I]research reactors that are on unguarded college campuses[/I] Don't worry it won't be illegal until you blow something up[/QUOTE] Let me tell you how you're taking one entirely irrelevant situation and applying it to here.
The stupid in this thread, it fucking burns.
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