• Dutch court outlaws pedophile association Martijn, says it breaches country’s moral values
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[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;36574455]Are you retarded? Do you really believe rape and being a pedophile is the same thing?[/QUOTE] No, I didn't say that, but I can't see why you people are defending something like this. "Yeah, we are a association that consists of serial killers and murderes, but wait, we haven't killed anyone yet, we just want to make it legal so that we can do it without consequenses, because we have urge to kill people!" Yeah, totally ok.
[QUOTE=scout1;36574848]Let me tell you how to construct a nuclear weapon using high-grade fuel available in US [I]research reactors that are on unguarded college campuses[/I] Don't worry it won't be illegal until you blow something up[/QUOTE] well, building it might be illegal. that analogy doesn't work at all what are you doing?
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;36574872]Let me tell you how you're taking one entirely irrelevant situation and applying it to here.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;36574922]well, building it might be illegal. that analogy doesn't work at all what are you doing?[/QUOTE] "glorifying" "presenting" "promoting" That's illegal for plenty of other things. EDIT: not to mention the legal definition of conspiracy
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;36574833]I think someone above mentioned [i]thoughtcrime[/i]. I happen to be holding a copy of [i]Nineteen Eighty-Four[/i] right now.[/QUOTE] Is it really a thoughtcrime to ban the association if the thoughts that the association were founded on themselves are recognised medically as a mental disorder, thus making the thoughts not a conscious decision of expression but rather accidental? Furthermore advocating changes in the law to allow sexual relationships to be legal is in itself promoting child abuse as a 'non-evil', normalising it to themselves as a justifiable illegal activity.
Petitioning in a legal manner for a change in laws is not conspiracy nor is it criminal, no matter how utterly idiotic the proposed changes are. It is biologically and psychologically absurd to repeal age of consent entirely, but the primary characteristic of a healthy democracy is letting everyone, even weirdos or morons, to voice their opinions. Homosexuality was once considered a medical disorder and while I am [B]absolutely not[/B] equating the attempts to make paedophilia acceptable to the struggle for acceptance of homosexuality and other gender/sexual minorities, things like this decision give strength to more conservative elements in society to try and force through similar decisions for legitimate civil rights groups; namely, among other tactics, by equating acceptance of homosexuality with acceptance of paedophilia and thus working to outright ban LGBT organisations in the same manner as the OP-mentioned organisation was banned. Not 100% sure, but this case could give them legal precedence to get a foot in the door, since they can point at this case and go "Hey, we banned this organisation because it went against morality (rather than any firm legal grounds), let's ban these faggots!"
My name is Martijn I panicked for a second.
[QUOTE=KaIibos;36563784]I said pubescent, not prepubescent.[/QUOTE] That more comes down to an argument about age of consent, not so much justification of pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined as having an attraction for [B]prepubescent or barely pubescent[/B] children, so any "child" that's pubescent more falls into the "teenage" category, in which case the the "morality" of it defaults to the age of consent. As long as it wasn't some circle for exchanging CP or something then I don't see what the problem is. Most people wouldn't cohort with them anyways.
Out of interest I asked my gay friend how he feels about you people trying to compare this situation to the rise of gay rights and he said you're fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=parket;36575244]Out of interest I asked my gay friend how he feels about you people trying to compare this situation to the rise of gay rights and he said you're fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately this happens a lot and it makes less and less sense every time, especially when homosexual relationships are in no way based intrinsically on abusive behaviour as paedophilic relationship are. That being only the first of many reasons why it is stupid.
[QUOTE=parket;36575244]Out of interest I asked my gay friend how he feels about you people trying to compare this situation to the rise of gay rights and he said you're fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] I'm LGBT myself, and I had a very close friend that confessed to me that, by no choice of his own, he was attracted to infants, and he still hates himself for it every day. He's never acted on it, no does he ever wish to. He's not a bad person, and is wonderful to talk to, but he has this constant self-hate that he hides, that he shouldn't ever have. I've come across many people that'd call him a monster, just because of this small part of his mind, that he cannot help. People still do this shit with minorities, as well as gay and trans folk, and that's the part that's fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=Hullu V3;36574914]"Yeah, we are a association that consists of serial killers and murderes, but wait, we haven't killed anyone yet, we just want to make it legal so that we can do it without consequenses, because we have urge to kill people!" Yeah, totally ok.[/QUOTE] If they haven't done anything illegal, yes. It's completely fine. I don't think you understand what universal human rights and freedom of speech entails. [QUOTE=scout1;36574943]"glorifying" "presenting" "promoting" That's illegal for plenty of other things. EDIT: not to mention the legal definition of conspiracy[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchists_Cookbook[/url] You can pick this up legally.
Away with Martijn. My girlfriend was abused when she was 12 years old. You cannot justify this in any way.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36573012]I feel a little dumber every time I read one of Sgt Niall's posts.[/QUOTE] Evidenced by the fact you managed to get my name wrong. Shit boy, the R is a capital!
[QUOTE=Raygen;36578738]Away with Martijn. My girlfriend was abused when she was 12 years old. You cannot justify this in any way.[/QUOTE] Nobody tried to justify the abuse of children in this thread.
I was talking about the association, didn't imply any of you.
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