[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33064081]Precisely. You want to have a rational discussion about science or the Earth or the universe? Then faith has no part in that.[/QUOTE]
then what about a rational discussion on faith?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33064108]then what about a rational discussion on faith?[/QUOTE]
Faith is supported by nothing but itself, what is rational about it?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33064118]Faith is supported by nothing but itself, what is rational about it?[/QUOTE]
well i dunno, you don't really seem to want to debate faith when the topic of religion comes up. You want to stick to "hard, scientific facts" despite the fact that that isn't at all what faith is about.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33064149]well i dunno, you don't really seem to want to debate faith when the topic of religion comes up. You want to stick to "hard, scientific facts" despite the fact that that isn't at all what faith is about.[/QUOTE]
Well yes, I do want to stick to facts. What good is something in regard to life if it doesn't depend on fact or reality?
[url=http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-ofp-laurin.pdf]Here's the full study if anyone still wants it.[/url]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33064149]well i dunno, you don't really seem to want to debate faith when the topic of religion comes up. You want to stick to "hard, scientific facts" despite the fact that that isn't at all what faith is about.[/QUOTE]
That's because faith has no place in a rational discussion as faith beliefs have no evidence to support them. If you don't have evidence then you might as well have "faith" in anything.
Here's an example: lets say you have faith in the cookie monster's existence. Then you could go on to say it's not a scientific claim, that it's a faith issue, and people should "just respect your different beliefs". Then you could go on to ask "Can you disprove the cookie monster's existence?" and other such absurdities as if it helps validate the claim.
Something either has to be true or not (example: god either exists or he doesn't). The best tools humanity has in getting the truth are science and reason. Religion/faith doesn't get us closer to the truth, it's just a left over concept from ancient times of when people didn't even know where the sun went at night and we really just don't need it anymore. The only reason religion/faith are still around is because of the absolutely immense power and influence it has held over society for thousands of years, though it is on it's way out now as science shows us what's really true, and actually has evidence to prove it.
[QUOTE=Noble;33064411]That's because faith has no place in a rational discussion as faith beliefs have no evidence to support them. If you don't have evidence then you might as well have "faith" in anything.
Here's an example: lets say you have faith in the cookie monster's existence. Then you could go on to say it's not a scientific claim, that it's a faith issue, and people should "just respect your different beliefs". Then you could go on to ask "Can you disprove the cookie monster's existence?" and other such absurdities as if it helps validate the claim.
Something either has to be true or not (example: god either exists or he doesn't). The best tools humanity has in getting the truth are science and reason. Religion/faith doesn't get us closer to the truth, it's just a left over concept from ancient times of when people didn't even know where the sun went at night and we really just don't need it anymore. The only reason religion/faith are still around is because of the absolutely immense power and influence it has held over society for thousands of years, though it is on it's way out now as science shows us what's really true, and actually has evidence to prove it.[/QUOTE]
wow, if only 90% of the world was as smart as you, it'd be a better place for sure.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33064540]wow, if only 90% of the world was as smart as you, it'd be a better place for sure.[/QUOTE]
I'd settle for having 90% of the world believe in evolution at least
[QUOTE=Craigewan;33054594]"God or Higher Power", which when taken into account seems pretty accurate to me. Most people I know do believe in something, they're just not formally religious. Many hate organised religion (whilst maintaining belief in 'something') and a much smaller handful or full on Atheists.[/QUOTE]
Understandable, since the origin of the universe (How the big bang happened in the first place) is not very well known.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33064081]Precisely. You want to have a rational discussion about science or the Earth or the universe? Then faith has no part in that.[/QUOTE]
well faith must be discussed from an emotional or psychological standpoint anyway.
Some of the most kind and hard working people I know are religious.
Some of the most kind and hard working people I know are athiest.
I get along with both.
Why?
Because I do not push whatever beliefs I may hold upon them, and they never have upon me. We have discussed certain topics, but never has anyone blurted out.
"Herp derp you're going to hell."
or
"Herp derp God does not exist."
or
"Everything the Bible says is real!"
or
"Where's your evidence about God?"
Why?
Simple.
'Cuz momma always said if you wanna keep your friends never debate religion or politics with'em.
The rest of the world should just do that and leave each other the fuck alone.
you guys are not tolerant
you guys rush to gay rights and shit but you can't even let someone make a choice that's basically the same as gay rights: a choice that DOESN'T effect YOU personally. oh my god you guys make me sick. I could barely even read the 1st page.
"Maybe in backwater rural areas/third world countries, but not in the modern world."
That's so ignorant and rude.
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"Maybe in backwater rural areas/third world countries, but not in the modern world."
That's so ignorant and rude.[/QUOTE]
he basically called holland a back water rural area/third world country which is totally wrong. the netherlands kick ass.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33065324]well faith must be discussed from an emotional or psychological standpoint anyway.[/QUOTE]
I wish everyone of faith would keep it like that
Interesting and humorous, but it doesn't seem to effect my family at all. I'm an atheist and I am rather open about it, but my family still accepts me for who I am. My parents (who are both devout Christians) bust their asses off and work to support our family.
My dad isn't necessarily the smartest guy (hardly a high school graduate), but somehow gets the job done and still finds the means to buy me or my sister whatever the fuck we want come Christmas or for our birthdays. My mom has a college level education, but was laid off a couple years ago and now recently found work at two different jobs. Somehow, even with rather low wages and work with mundane jobs, my parents have consistently paid off their taxes and bills for the family.
I'm an deist attempting to find faith.
personally athiest due to law of parsimony
i consider myself tolerant to theist types i just think you're all just really dumb by complicating a situation where the lack of evidence points to a much simpler conclusion
[QUOTE=J!NX;33055002]Yep and I'll do it simply because you asked me.
[sp]Nope[/sp][/QUOTE]
lol nice one dude
90% believe in higher power?
That's sad,they truly need an excuse to live on this planet?
Why is it sad that 90% of people believe in a higher power?
You guys say it like you're better than them for being atheist.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
In which case, I'd like to kindly pull your head out of your ass and inform you that you aren't.
I'm a former atheist and to be honest, most of my fellow atheists always made me sad. They constantly complain about being persecuted against by theologists, but you guys are currently acting no better than them.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33072192]I'm a former atheist and to be honest.[/QUOTE]
So you threw logic and common sense out of the windows.
Good job.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33072192]Why is it sad that 90% of people believe in a higher power?
You guys say it like you're better than them for being atheist.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
In which case, I'd like to kindly pull your head out of your ass and inform you that you aren't.
I'm a former atheist and to be honest, most of my fellow atheists always made me sad. They constantly complain about being persecuted against by theologists, but you guys are currently acting no better than them.[/QUOTE]
"former atheist"
You serious?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33072897]"former atheist"
You serious?[/QUOTE]
90% of these "former Atheist" that I've read about or seen are just religious dudes who want to give Atheists a bad name.
Just saying,
[QUOTE=Scar;33072967]90% of these "former Atheist" that I've read about or seen are just religious dudes who want to give Atheists a bad name.
Just saying,[/QUOTE]
How am I giving atheists a bad name? Many of them on facepunch are doing a damn good job at it themselves. Berating someone for believing in God is ridiculous.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33072897]"former atheist"
You serious?[/QUOTE]
Yes, quite serious. I went from atheism to deism.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33073026]deism.[/QUOTE]
Now that actualy sounds rather sensible.
It's very easy to go from being an atheist to being religious if you have no idea [I]why[/I] you were an atheist in the first place
Atheism's not even the important thing, it's the thought processes of reason and logic behind it that are important. You can be atheist and yet believe in all sorts of stupid crap like witches and horoscopes and tarot. It just happens to be another facet of a truly rational person's beliefs.
If someone gave me hard evidence for a god, I would no longer be an atheist.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;33073122]Now that actualy sounds rather sensible.[/QUOTE]
Not all theology is completely off the wall. :)
[QUOTE=Funcoot;33073026]How am I giving atheists a bad name? Many of them on facepunch are doing a damn good job at it themselves. Berating someone for believing in God is ridiculous.
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Never said you did, was more of a general statement.
Sorry if I offended you
[QUOTE=Scar;33073232]Never said you did, was more of a general statement.
Sorry if I offended you[/QUOTE]
None taken. I understand you're argument. I'm just saying, I'm not against atheism or atheists in any way. Getting your panties in a wad over someone else's beliefs is just silly. I understand the logic and reason behind atheists and their beliefs and I just want them to become more accepted in general.
It isn't going to happen with calling people who believe in god stupid. I understand a great deal of atheists do not do this, but acting better than someone else is not going to help.
