China building "Eco City" to prove model alternative - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;25211333]The small scale model looks like the city can hold around 10,000 people, when the number of people who live in China and can afford to live in such a city is much less[/QUOTE] That's a joke, right? Does each person have their own skyscraper? I think 300,000 would be a more reasonable number.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;25208189] [IMG]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lilypad-floating-city-03.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lilypad-floating-city-01.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Holy shit. My life feels so meaningless knowing I can't live on one of those.

Why can't we be more like china?

So there'd be no cars?

[QUOTE=bobsmit;25212898]Holy shit. My life feels so meaningless knowing I can't live on one of those.[/QUOTE] who says?

China now: [img]http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/chinese-factory-pollution.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.global-changes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/china-pollution.jpg[/img] [img]http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/chinese-pollution.jpg[/img] They've got their work cut out.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;25208189]I would much rather like to live on these: [IMG]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lilypad-floating-city-03.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lilypad-floating-city-01.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lilypad-floating-city-02.jpg[/IMG] There's a LOT of open ocean out there that can be utilized. Solar Power, and throw in a big fat nuclear reactor on it. I know what you're thinking... But that's radioactive. Not really, if you think about it. A Nimitz class Nuclear Aircraft Carrier has a range of 20 years. You know it's efficient if you get Years to the gallon (Not literally) Nuclear Power is the future. As soon as we find a way to make it small and light so that it can be used in anything a battery is used in, we'll be good to go. And that's not too far off. The one's in our Submarines are as large as a car, They're already experimenting with small dime-sized batteries using the same concept[/QUOTE] I second this statement. In the future there are going to be entire cities, and maybe even micro nations floating about the ocean. As long as we can keep it clean and low impact I'm 100% for it. One of my dreams if I ever get ahold of an outrageous amount of money would be to build a self sustained floating research base.

China is a sleeping giant. In a few year's time they will really boom and then they will begin buying up all of the world's objects.

[QUOTE=cqbcat;25206530] Perhaps that's too much sci-fi, but I like hyper-capitalistic, dystopian cities where the rich live in the clean upper levels while the poor live in the gritty/polluted/high crime lower levels.[/QUOTE] congrats on being a fascist [editline]03:01AM[/editline] snipe

Pretty ambitious, but for the sake of it all I hope they succeed.

[QUOTE=Mabus;25210890]Yeah I spent a few weeks in Beijing, it's smog central but I loved it, along the Chinese coast however that's city building ground son. [/QUOTE] Aye, when I first got off the plane in China, is was the hottest and smoggiest day of the year. 37 degrees, and it was difficult to see more than about 30 metres away.

While I find this to be an interesting idea, I'm forced to point out that China can do this, not because they are somehow more advanced or wealthy than other nations, but because they are backwards pricks who not only can basically employ slave labor to build this, but have a government with near total control. Western civilizations generally aim to pay living wages (not always successfully, but it's the goal) and have governments that CAN'T go "oh, well, guess I'll build a city here"

[QUOTE=mastermaul;25210554]I have a friend who went to china. Says it's basically one giant layer of smog, no matter where you go. So good idea, bad location.[/QUOTE] Depends where you are Shanghai yes Not all places though. I'm in Beijing right now, and there's not much smog where I am. Same with the countryside. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;25213022]China now: [img_thumb]http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/chinese-factory-pollution.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://www.global-changes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/china-pollution.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/chinese-pollution.jpg[/img_thumb] They've got their work cut out.[/QUOTE] um no

[QUOTE=TheTalon;25208189]Nuclear Power is the future. As soon as we find a way to make it small and light so that it can be used in anything a battery is used in, we'll be good to go. And that's not too far off. The one's in our Submarines are as large as a car, They're already experimenting with small dime-sized batteries using the same concept[/QUOTE] Actually believe it or not, there are already various forms of atomic battery. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery[/url] On the northern shore of Russia, there used to be a large number of lighthouses that ran on nuclear energy sources. They were somewhat problematic though. Northern Russia, as you can imagine, is extremely fucking cold, so hikers wandering the frozen tundra stumble across this box which is strangely warm and lean up against it. This....ends poorly. The heat they feel is generated by a highly radioactive power source and lead to some pretty unpleasant cancer cases. They were powered by these guys: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator[/url] Also noteworthy users of that form of generation are long range US space probes. Among them are Voyager 1 and 2, which are still transmitting data despite being launched over 33 years ago. Another fun form of atomic battery: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaics[/url] Noteworthy because these actually directly harvest energy. Nuclear power sources almost universally draw their power from heat. Even nuclear power plants basically use the radioactive materials to heat up a bunch of water and turn it into steam to spin turbines. These tend to have high efficiency, but very slow power output. According to the wiki, it has been suggested that they can be used to trickle charge portable electronics. So your phone dies, but an hour later has built up enough charge to be used for 10 or 15 minutes despite never being plugged in. Betavoltaics were even used in PACEMAKERS. If that isn't an indicator of being safe, I dunno what is. But yeah I completely agree that nuclear energy is the future. Both fission and fusion.

The green looks nice, I would love this to be the future.

It is a preety nice idea and a good desing, I can't wait to see what will become of this project.

Even if they build it, it will still end up being a polluted shit hole. More than likely, they will abandon the project early on leaving a perpetual ghost town.

some day i will move to british columbia and making a floating island with a farm in the middle of a river - the river will irrigate the farm and provide nourishment from upstream infinite food

[QUOTE=GunFox;25218141]While I find this to be an interesting idea, I'm forced to point out that China can do this, not because they are somehow more advanced or wealthy than other nations, but because they are [B]backwards pricks who not only can basically employ slave labor to build this, but have a government with near total control. [/B] Western civilizations generally aim to pay living wages (not always successfully, but it's the goal) and have governments that CAN'T go "oh, well, guess I'll build a city here"[/QUOTE] You're being a prejudicial ass, you don't know that they will enforce slave labor on this project. Besides, Chinese people are very, very nice people.

[QUOTE=RayDark;25219899]You're being a prejudicial ass, you don't know that they will enforce slave labor on this project. Besides, Chinese people are very, very nice people.[/QUOTE] Qing Tuo Zi village? Never heard of it? Oh that's because that is the fishing village they are seizing under eminent domain to build this eco city. Well, *seized*. It's completely leveled now. No idea how many people were living there or what happened to them. Given what happened with the olympics, I can't imagine it is happy. Basically they are crushing the poor slums in order to construct an upscale eco-friendly commercial hub that nobody who lived there previously could possibly afford. China's total control of the internet and media allows them to placate the majority of their own population while a constitution that appears to be nice on paper helps keep other nations from breathing down their neck. In no way am I claiming that Chinese people in general are bad people, it is just their government that sucks.

[QUOTE=GunFox;25220726]Qing Tuo Zi village? Never heard of it? Oh that's because that is the fishing village they are seizing under eminent domain to build this eco city. Well, *seized*. It's completely leveled now. No idea how many people were living there or what happened to them. Given what happened with the olympics, I can't imagine it is happy. Basically they are crushing the poor slums in order to construct an upscale eco-friendly commercial hub that nobody who lived there previously could possibly afford. China's total control of the internet and media allows them to placate the majority of their own population while a constitution that appears to be nice on paper helps keep other nations from breathing down their neck. In no way am I claiming that Chinese people in general are bad people, it is just their government that sucks.[/QUOTE] Yeah, their government sucks. Don't generalize 'China' as a whole. Their government is like Israels.

Looks like another little luxury haven for China's ruling class. The peasants will be left to choke and die on the smog and industrial waste.

Um no Unless you've been to China you don't know how it's really like Guangzhou, no smog Shanghai, no smog Beijing, no smog [editline]04:37PM[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;25220726]Qing Tuo Zi village? Never heard of it? Oh that's because that is the fishing village they are seizing under eminent domain to build this eco city.[/QUOTE] Source on this?

I'll believe it when I see it That is an "Eco City". I have no doubt they will actually build a city there

[QUOTE=Jund;25224844]Shanghai, no smog [/QUOTE] There's definitely smog in Shanghai. Went there 2 weeks ago. I even took pictures. But you're right on the other two.

That's weird, I don't remember there being any smog Well I was in a giant mall for the most of the time so meh

Here's the pic to prove it [img]http://imgkk.com/i/qztw.jpg[/img]

China Strong

and that's not fog. Over a week, the closest we got to seeing the Sun was a bright patch in the sky. So yeah. It really depends where in China. Most places in Beijing have no smog, but the more densely populated areas have a thin layer. I think this Eco city will work If there the initial plan goes correctly. The media just makes everything look bad imo. "China is 100% pollution, you'll choke to death in 5 seconds" edit: broken automerge

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;25213356]Eh... dime-sized batteries? What happens when the radioactive core is done for? The planet will be full of radioactive waste and out of the radioactive elements we'll need.[/QUOTE] There's no core or anything in the batteries, they're just radiated isotopes or some such Nuclear power is still the future: [quote]The Los Alamos based company Hyperion Power Generation is developing a new power source called the Hyperion Hydride Reactor, a sealed fission reactor that can supply power to a small community. Although the portable nuclear reactor is the size of a hot tub, when it's hooked up to a steam turbine, the reactor can generate enough electricity to power a community of 25,000 homes for at least five years[/quote]