BREAKING: Shooting at Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas, TX - Please SOURCE your updates. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672685]The fact that you did not oppose them is what makes them able to do so. They are living in a bubble.[/QUOTE] They already deleted/blocked comments that didnt support them, it's useless

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672685]The fact that you did not oppose them is what makes them able to do so. They are living in a bubble.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately social media allows people to easily live within their own echo chamber and block out anything they disagree with. There's no real point in arguing with people outside of forums now. Even forums aren't perfect if the moderators disagree with what you're arguing about.

[QUOTE=Coffee;50672731]Unfortunately social media allows people to easily live within their own echo chamber and block out anything they disagree with. There's no real point in arguing with people outside of forums now. Even forums aren't perfect if the moderators disagree with what you're arguing about.[/QUOTE] I honestly am scared of people who have applauded these acts. Legitimately scared.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50672632]I had to unfriend over 10 people on Facebook who applauded these attacks. This is so bad when people can justify murder like this[/QUOTE] What the hell? Where are you from? Is the situation in America really this bad that people actually support these attacks?

[QUOTE=Turing;50672736]What the hell? Where are you from? Is the situation in America really this bad that people actually support these attacks?[/QUOTE] I went to a far left leaning private high school back in the day, I have a few stragglers left on my FB who are pretty much anti-anything america, authority, ect ect

[QUOTE=Turing;50672736]What the hell? Where are you from? Is the situation in America really this bad that people actually support these attacks?[/QUOTE] Yes, there are an astonishing amount of people who think it's cool or ~hard~ to support the killing of police. I wish I were kidding.

I can't believe this. Yes there are injustices being committed by cops in USA but this is super awful. All over some guy who resisted arrest and got himself killed? Hopefully this is the last of retaliations like this.

[QUOTE=Turing;50672736]What the hell? Where are you from? Is the situation in America really this bad that people actually support these attacks?[/QUOTE] Law enforcement is treated as a sort of "foreign" institution in some parts of America, so a lot of people in those parts have very little tolerance for perceived aggression against the "locals".

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;50672804]Law enforcement is treated as a sort of "foreign" institution in some parts of America, so a lot of people in those parts have very little tolerance for perceived aggression against the "locals".[/QUOTE] TBH ya SHOULD move back to local PDs... this isnt the great depression anymore, local pd as first responders then federal police to take care of the big things.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672812]TBH ya SHOULD move back to local PDs... this isnt the great depression anymore, local pd as first responders then federal police to take care of the big things.[/QUOTE] What? Most law enforcement is local. Federal Agencies only get involved in specific crimes and most are dedicated to specific fields of enforcement. You're average cop is not "federal police". I live in a city of 100k people and there's literally only one FBI agent active in the city and surrounding area (at least publicly). Even small towns will usually have a few of their own police units, or a local marshal if they're really small.

[QUOTE=Anderan;50672820]What? Most law enforcement is local. Federal Agencies only get involved in specific crimes and most are dedicated to specific fields of enforcement. You're average cop is not "federal police". I live in a city of 100k people and there's literally only one FBI agent active in the city and surrounding area (at least publicly). Even small towns will usually have a few of their own police units, or a local marshal if they're really small.[/QUOTE] I meant that as a global 'this is where it should move to' nm, you put far too much thought in a throwaway comment.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672475]An unknown amount of unknown people used an unknown amount of weapons to kill 5 cops, 2 initially during a BLM protest (suggested fired from elevated positions as in 'snipers') and 3 more during the shootout and standoff between the cops, unknown but into the dozens tally of wounded police officers, and at least 1 confirmed wounded civilian. Talks about bombs but unconfirmed. Unknown amount of perpetrators in custody, it appears atm all perps are either dead or captured, reports of a suicide unconfirmed some guy at the BLM protest was wearing an AR15 i think? as a protest and open carry permit kinda thing and was photographed before any of this went down. Some idiot posted that picture as 'the confirmed perp' police ran with it or was even the ones posting the picture (unconfirmed) guy from the pic was stranded during the standoff, so he approached a cop and said he had nothing to do with it and handed over his weapon. Cops asked him to come to station 'to be on the safe side' and later on detained him and questioned him (according to him without allowing him a lawyer) when he was released he asked for his personal possessions back (including the gun) and was arrested again there and then. (also according to him)[/QUOTE] I can understand the cops detaining him for questioning as it's a really wonky place and they had to confirm themselves. But arresting after he asked for his weapon back? That's kind of bullshit. I do understand the perspective that the cops are having to work with but I genuinely feel that this was where they stepped over the line.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672844]I meant that as a global 'this is where it should move to' nm, you put far too much thought in a throwaway comment.[/QUOTE] What countries use federal agencies for day to day law enforcement that aren't some sort of dictatorship?

[QUOTE=Anderan;50672869]What countries use federal agencies for day to day law enforcement that aren't some sort of dictatorship?[/QUOTE] Well the RCMP are the primary police force in most of Canada despite being a federal force.

[QUOTE=Anderan;50672869]What countries use federal agencies for day to day law enforcement that aren't some sort of dictatorship?[/QUOTE] Belgium for one, i think most western countries actually do this ever since the great depression.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50672744]I went to a far left leaning private high school back in the day, I have a few stragglers left on my FB who are pretty much anti-anything america, authority, ect ect[/QUOTE] I don't agree with the American authorities on a lot of things, but to applaud the killing of people who are enforcing the rules someone else made? Fucking bastards. These officers don't even have anything to say about how the laws are being made and treated. But I don't know. Maybe the shooters felt like taking it out on the cops was the best course of action to attempt to hurt the establishment, or at least show their dissatisfaction. If they were indeed ex-military, maybe the stress from all the shit in the Middle-East caused them to be really mad at the government?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672882]Belgium for one, i think most western countries actually do this ever since the great depression.[/QUOTE] Either way your comment made no sense when responding to an American talking about the relationship between citizens and US police so it's hard to interpret "ya should" as "everyone globally should".

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;50672849]I can understand the cops detaining him for questioning as it's a really wonky place and they had to confirm themselves. But arresting after he asked for his weapon back? That's kind of bullshit. I do understand the perspective that the cops are having to work with but I genuinely feel that this was where they stepped over the line.[/QUOTE] I can kind of understand why they chose to detain him. I guess they just wanted to make sure anyone with a gun is behind bars until the situation has been resolved, even if it means removing the freedom of said individual for a couple of hours. What would you do in a situation like that? If shit goes down like that, and your buddies are being shot at and killed in cold blood, you can't have potential risks running around. Even if the person himself has said already he meant no harm. He could be lying for all the officers know. You just don't know for certain in such a situation. Putting him in a cell until the situation is resolved is the best for everyone. It makes sure angry civilians don't come after him, and it makes sure he isn't killing officers on the street. Unfortunately, the interrogation itself was pretty fucking loaded with negativity.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50672812]TBH ya SHOULD move back to local PDs... this isnt the great depression anymore, local pd as first responders then federal police to take care of the big things.[/QUOTE] That's how it is now. You have county police departments that cover the entire county, and state police which cover the entire state. If a town/city becomes "incorporated" (meaning they sign a charter with the state and create their own county government), they have to provide police/fire/first responder services to their city/town. If that city/town is large enough to afford it, they usually create their own city/town police departments, otherwise they have to make a deal with the county departments to provide their services (usually at a cost). Very VERY rarely do federal agents act as police. [QUOTE=Keyblockor1;50672849]I can understand the cops detaining him for questioning as it's a really wonky place and they had to confirm themselves. But arresting after he asked for his weapon back? That's kind of bullshit. I do understand the perspective that the cops are having to work with but I genuinely feel that this was where they stepped over the line.[/QUOTE] His arrest could be connected with his questioning/other evidence to the shooting, OR it could be related to something wrong with the firearm that was in his possession (like if he legally couldn't own it for some reason).

[QUOTE=Anderan;50672820]What? Most law enforcement is local. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;50672922]That's how it is now. You have county police departments that cover the entire county, and state police which cover the entire state. [/QUOTE] I'm not sure if this is what Blizzerd was getting at, but I could understand someone mistaking American police for some kind of federal force with the way most departments are disconnected from the communities they police. It's been an issue that's been growing over the past few decades that with the militarization of police tactics, the reduction in beat cops, and the practice of hiring police to patrol different communities from their own, most of the public has very little personal contact with their local police. Police aren't seen as members of the community anymore, they're representatives of the government and treated with hostility and suspicion as a result.

So are these gunmen terrorists?

[QUOTE=RobL;50672950]So are these gunmen terrorists?[/QUOTE] Using terror to achieve goals. Bomb threats. Seems like terrorism to me.

Man this was happening like 7 minutes from where I live. What a crazy night.

[QUOTE=catbarf;50672949]I'm not sure if this is what Blizzerd was getting at, but I could understand someone mistaking American police for some kind of federal force with the way most departments are disconnected from the communities they police. It's been an issue that's been growing over the past few decades that with the militarization of police tactics, the reduction in beat cops, and the practice of hiring police to patrol different communities from their own, most of the public has very little personal contact with their local police. Police aren't seen as members of the community anymore, they're representatives of the government and treated with hostility and suspicion as a result.[/QUOTE] Which is why lumping all people with negative views of the police as "edgy teens" is beyond retarded. (like most of this thread has been doing).

And word on the gunmen and what their motivations might have been?

Fuck man, to wake up to this shit. What the living fuck is up with this world. I want off this planet

Police Chief on the news just said the suspect did it because he "hated white people" and he "wanted to kill white cops"

Suspect was killed by a bomb, according to the police chief. He wasn't affiliated with any groups. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Live/video/special-live-2-14519615[/url]

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50672734]I honestly am scared of people who have applauded these acts. Legitimately scared.[/QUOTE] I've got people I always considered pretty moderate posting some rather extreme opinions on my feed. People are going mad.

Some of the injured officers have been released from the hospital according to the Chief