BREAKING: Shooting at Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas, TX - Please SOURCE your updates. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;50673733]Do we get White Lives Matter now?[/QUOTE] There's a "blue lives matter" I believe.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50673675]What a pleasant belief[/QUOTE] You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'( Seriously, what do you expect me to think after a coordinated mass shooting.killed 5 and hurt even more? People with cops in their families have a right to be pissed

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673751]You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'([/QUOTE] or just tone down the sadism

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673751]You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'([/QUOTE] Not feeling bad for him is one thing. "I hope he died as slow and painful as possible" is another thing.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50673735]This is what happens when a movement doesn't have leadership, it becomes a free for all for any mad idiot to project his own ideas on. If BLM wants to be taken seriously they need to get around a particular idea and denounce anyone who comes out as extremist. So far they've failed to do that and now this has happened so well done to them.[/QUOTE] I've always thought BLM's core idea was pretty well-communicated: "black people are shot by police at far higher rates than any other ethnicity, those shootings are far less likely to be investigated, and even when an investigation finds fault there is less chance there will be punishment for the officer". I'm always doubtful of claims that any <generally-peaceful group> doesn't denounce extremists, because historically, they usually have, and just been ignored in the clamor of everyone else denouncing them. I haven't gone looking to see how many BLM people have denounced this attack but I'm pretty sure I'd find a lot.

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673751]You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'([/QUOTE] You're being an edgy moron who doesn't understand that posting like you're on DeviantArt circa 2006 to a news thread isn't going to make you cool. "Wow those guys are so dumb I hope they die >:(" This isn't constructive. This isn't anything NEAR constructive. All you're doing is glorifying violence after an already tragic event. It's one thing to call people scummy, another entirely to start chanting for a violent/painful end. [QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673674]These cunts who were all "kill the police haha revenge (emojis go here)" make me feel rage and a want for them to be hurt[/QUOTE] Like this shit. What is this? This is the most baseline "I put in zero thought when I typed this and hit enter" post. Out of all the ways you could've worded this, you decided "I WANT THEM TO FEEL SUFFERING! DIE DIE DIE" was the best way. Come on.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50673533]They have to release the names and faces eventually. They're entitled to a public trial.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=unrezt;50673537]the public has the right to know[/QUOTE] Sure. But they're not on trial yet. Keep all of that hidden until trial. Don't let people build up cults of personality around them. Don't let people turn them in to "Good boys" like every other incident. There are plenty of people who still adore that guy in California who killed several people because no woman wanted him. And with people cheering this act on, don't give them faces, names, causes to rally behind. Starve them of information and you can keep that shit from spreading so much.

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673751]You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'([/QUOTE] To wish death upon others is to wish more suffering. It's understanding to feel no sympathy for them for what ever fate they meet, or to feel relief even, but to wish their fate be even worse is naively cruel. Murder is an awful thing at the end of the day, no matter who it is done on to. It'd be productive to see a just treatment for their unjust act, as opposed to injustice piled on injustice.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;50673790]You're being an edgy moron who doesn't understand that posting like you're on DeviantArt circa 2006 to a news thread isn't going to make you cool. "Wow those guys are so dumb I hope they die >:(" This isn't constructive. This isn't anything NEAR constructive. All you're doing is glorifying violence after an already tragic event. It's one thing to call people scummy, another entirely to start chanting for a violent/painful end.[/QUOTE] Oh no, it's not that I'm trying to look cool, it's that murderers like these people deserve whatever they get. And the "those people are dumb quote" it's more like "those people are murderers"

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673751]You want me to feel sad for the cop killer? Oh noooo he died after helping kill and maim people :'( Seriously, what do you expect me to think after a coordinated mass shooting.killed 5 and hurt even more? People with cops in their families have a right to be pissed[/QUOTE] The right to being pissed is not the right to further commit violence in retaliation. This is what started this whole tragic event in the first place, violent retaliation. Are you so inconceivably blind to that?

[QUOTE=gman003-main;50673783]I've always thought BLM's core idea was pretty well-communicated: "black people are shot by police at far higher rates than any other ethnicity, those shootings are far less likely to be investigated, and even when an investigation finds fault there is less chance there will be punishment for the officer". I'm always doubtful of claims that any <generally-peaceful group> doesn't denounce extremists, because historically, they usually have, and just been ignored in the clamor of everyone else denouncing them. I haven't gone looking to see how many BLM people have denounced this attack but I'm pretty sure I'd find a lot.[/QUOTE] BLM's problem is simply that it has no actual structure. It's a decentralized movement that anyone can be part of and anyone can use the name to further their goals, whatever they are. That's not the kind of movement this country needs to unify and heal our wounds.

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50673805]Oh no, it's not that I'm trying to look cool, it's that murderers like these people deserve whatever they get. And the "those people are dumb quote" it's more like "those people are murderers"[/QUOTE] This is literally the same line of thought that went through these 4 men's mind when thinking about Louisiana and Minnesota. Good job. [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50673812]BLM's problem is simply that it has no actual structure. It's a decentralized movement that anyone can be part of and anyone can use the name to further their goals, whatever they are. That's not the kind of movement this country needs to unify and heal our wounds.[/QUOTE] I'm ready for the "no true scotsmans" to come out of this with BLM.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50673794]Sure. But they're not on trial yet. Keep all of that hidden until trial. Don't let people build up cults of personality around them. Don't let people turn them in to "Good boys" like every other incident. There are plenty of people who still adore that guy in California who killed several people because no woman wanted him. And with people cheering this act on, don't give them faces, names, causes to rally behind. Starve them of information and you can keep that shit from spreading so much.[/QUOTE] Technically, even if most of society hates these acts, not giving information out to people because you don't like their views is something society has also tried to say is bad.

[QUOTE=Griffster26;50673644][URL="http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/officer-brent-thompson-dallas-facebook-dart-police-identified-officer-named-officers-identities-names-police-dallas-shooting-sniper-attack-family-iraq-afghanistan-alton-sterling-philando-castile-dalla/"]Info about Brent Thompson, the DART officer killed[/URL][/QUOTE] [t]https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/brentthompson3.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all[/t] fuck me

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50673735]This is what happens when a movement doesn't have leadership, it becomes a free for all for any mad idiot to project his own ideas on. If BLM wants to be taken seriously they need to get around a particular idea and denounce anyone who comes out as extremist. So far they've failed to do that and now this has happened so well done to them.[/QUOTE] Except he had fucking NOTHING to do with BLM. What he wanted is not what BLM stands for. I wish people could stop saying that.

Blech, hate breeds hate etc.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50673794]Sure. But they're not on trial yet. Keep all of that hidden until trial. Don't let people build up cults of personality around them. Don't let people turn them in to "Good boys" like every other incident. There are plenty of people who still adore that guy in California who killed several people because no woman wanted him. And with people cheering this act on, don't give them faces, names, causes to rally behind. Starve them of information and you can keep that shit from spreading so much.[/QUOTE] Not once did I demand they release information immediately. I asked if they had, someone said they shouldn't ever and my response (that you quoted) was that they have to, eventually. [I]Eventually.[/I] [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Recurracy;50673844]Except he had fucking NOTHING to do with BLM. What he wanted is not what BLM stands for. I wish people could stop saying that.[/QUOTE] Damn, not even four posts later: [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50673816] I'm ready for the "no true scotsmans" to come out of this with BLM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50672632]I had to unfriend over 10 people on Facebook who applauded these attacks. This is so bad when people can justify murder like this[/QUOTE] Same here, boggles my fucking mind.

The deceased suspect [i]explicitly stated[/i] that he wasn't with any movement and was disappointed with BLM, according to [URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/08/anger-swells-after-cops-shot-in-dallas.html"]this article[/URL]. There were several minutes where police tried to negotiate with him before he died. "...he was upset about Black Lives Matter, he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. The suspect stated he was not affiliated with any groups, and he stated that he did it alone."

Oh yeah, sure, let's connect a totally radicalized individual with a movement with legitimate purposes and concerns. I don't see the issue with that. What he wants is fucking insane; what BLM is absolutely not insane, it's just that BLM is such a disorganised mess, they have trouble conveying the message, and those people out there that you hear bad things about, they're just driven by the idea of finally being able to get themselves heard, and they do stupid shit because they don't know how to approach it in a way that makes sense.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;50673879]Oh yeah, sure, let's connect a totally radicalized individual with a movement with legitimate purposes. I don't see the issue with that.[/QUOTE] I think the anti-police rhetoric associated with BLM could very well have played a factor in radicalizing someone like this, [I]especially[/I] if as he found himself agreeing he came to think, "hey, maybe BLM isn't anti-police [I]enough![/I]" Which is my point. BLM needs to either disintegrate and be replaced or grow a central leadership to disavow itself of the anti-police spew.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;50673844]Except he had fucking NOTHING to do with BLM. What he wanted is not what BLM stands for. I wish people could stop saying that.[/QUOTE] yeah ok buddy the formless movement that hates cops and has encouraged white hatred had nothing to do with the guy who killed cops because of BLM issues and protests, because he didn't sign the membership forms that don't exist do ignore the thousands of BLM people saying this is a good thing and people from their side saying violence is good means of progression in the past

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50673880]love how some black people on social media are totally denying that its Micah Johnson and are claiming it to be a coverup for a white nationalist who wanted to frame BLM. lmfao.[/QUOTE] there's also people on social media who literally think Obama is the devil reincarnated out to steal all their guns and institute FEMA camps to holocaust them - they're all fucking idiots and you shouldn't take their opinion seriously

But the protest in Dallas was peaceful before these jackasses decided to cause nothing but terrible chaos. I'm sure someone here posted images from the DPD twitter handle that showed BLM members having [I]picknicks[/I] with the same officers that had to risk life and limb to get the same people they were just sharing a bite with less than 30 minutes earlier to safety. I don't think what happened here is what these people want????? [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;50673897]there's also people on social media who literally think Obama is the devil reincarnated out to steal all their guns and institute FEMA camps to holocaust them - they're all fucking idiots and you shouldn't take their opinion seriously[/QUOTE] Well the danger of not taking their opinion seriously is that it goes wild eventually - and then this happens. These people didn't get taken seriously and they were fed up, and now they went and killed five officers.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;50673879]Oh yeah, sure, let's connect a totally radicalized individual with a movement with legitimate purposes and concerns. I don't see the issue with that. What he wants is fucking insane; what BLM is absolutely not insane, it's just that BLM is such a disorganised mess, they have trouble conveying the message, and those people out there that you hear bad things about, they're just driven by the idea of finally being able to get themselves heard, and they do stupid shit because they don't know how to approach it in a way that makes sense.[/QUOTE] I'll accept that when I see BLM members publicly condemning what just happened. And yes, that means without a big old "but... " at the end of it.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;50673907]But the protest in Dallas was peaceful before these jackasses decided to cause nothing but terrible chaos. I'm sure someone here posted images from the DPD twitter handle that showed BLM members having [I]picknicks[/I] with the same officers that had to risk life and limb to get the same people they were just sharing a bite with less than 30 minutes earlier to safety. I don't think that's what these people want????? [editline]8th July 2016[/editline] Well the danger of not taking their opinion seriously is that it goes wild eventually - and then this happens. These people didn't get taken seriously and they were fed up, and now they went and killed five officers.[/QUOTE] If your movement is formless and ethereal and inclusive of anyone who up and decides they're part of it, you can't decide some people aren't part of it after they do something embarrassing. Nobody is going to accept that. This guy said he was 'disappointed' with BLM, but we know that he associated with them previously. So yes - he doesn't represent BLM in this instant, but to me and others it's clear he was enabled and egged on by their anti-police rhetoric but didn't think they were willing to go 'all the way'.

[QUOTE=unrezt;50673914]I'll accept that when I see BLM members publicly condemning what just happened.[/QUOTE] Or maybe you can just assume not everyone who supports black rights supports terrorism lol

This is like saying someone's attack wasn't motivated by say KKK or such because they said they were unhappy with the inaction in the movement

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50673891]I think the anti-police rhetoric associated with BLM could very well have played a factor in radicalizing someone like this, [I]especially[/I] if as he found himself agreeing he came to think, "hey, maybe BLM isn't anti-police [I]enough![/I]" Which is my point. BLM needs to either disintegrate and be replaced or grow a central leadership to disavow itself of the anti-police spew.[/QUOTE] And that's where the person disconnects himself with BLM, because at that point, it has nothing to do with what BLM wants anymore, he's just going out on the streets [I]with his own ideals[/I], which sadly enough, is supported by many crazy people, and I'm sure that a majority of the BLM core absolutely disagrees with this approach. Connecting these lunatics with BLM only allows you to see the entirety of the BLM movement as an entirely negative hate-fueled group of crazies.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50673919]Or maybe you can just assume not everyone who supports black rights supports terrorism lol[/QUOTE] People that genuinely want that and nothing else that are active for it aughta know BLM is bad by now