• Wikileaks: Bradley Manning is Being Tortured
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[QUOTE=Vinze;26743432]Yeah, I know what you mean. But it has it's perks too, like, smoking in hospitals and throwing stuff at birds...[/QUOTE] what about making rape jokes to rape victims or laughing at retards?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26743478]what about making rape jokes to rape victims or laughing at retards?[/QUOTE] Problably not, that sounds kinda jerkish.
I'm really pissed off by this. That is absolute bullshit.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26743478]what about making rape jokes to rape victims or laughing at retards?[/QUOTE] I make dead baby jokes to dead babies, they have no sense of humor.
Average Facepuncher when Wiki leaks is being discussed: :gizz:
Jesus, shit's getting scary in this country, I want to move.
I don't care for what Wikileaks does, but what they are putting this man through is unacceptable. No one, not even a terrorist or a "leak", should have to endure that kind of treatment.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;26747391]Jesus, shit's getting scary in this country, I want to move.[/QUOTE] This is how military justice has always been handled. It takes a lot to get thrown in military prison, but if you manage it, you are fucked.
[QUOTE=imadaman;26737298]There is no [solid] proof that he did anything illegal you dumpass.[/QUOTE] All they have are chatlogs of a person claiming to be Manning and bragging to a reporter of giving information to WikiLeaks. Not solid, barely proof in my opinion.
Members of the military are not just held to civilian legal standards, under the UCMJ he could have been summarily executed. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=shatteredwindow;26743458]I might be a little late, but I think these circumstances are made a little murky because this is in the military. If he was a civilian, this would be pretty clear cut wrong, but I am not sure of the rules on martial law, but I am pretty sure that they are allowed more extreme punishments.[/QUOTE] The UCMJ is extremely harsh, especially on anything that can be considered treason / unauthorized dissemination / theft / release of government secrets / property. [quote] [B]906a. ART. 106a. ESPIONAGE[/B] [B](1) Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any entity described in paragraph (2), either directly or indirectly, any thing described in paragraph (3) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct, except that if the accused is found guilty of an offense that directly concerns (A) nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attack, (B) war plans, (C) communications intelligence or cryptographic information, or (D) any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy, the accused shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court- martial may direct.[/B][/quote] When they get around to putting his case before a court-martial, he's quite literally fucked. To put it out there, US military members sit through a lot of briefings on the UCMJ before even leaving initial training. He knew the kind of shit he was getting himself into.
[QUOTE=Strider_07;26747850]Members of the military are not held to civilian legal standards, under the UCMJ he could have been summarily executed.[/QUOTE] We are held under both. We still have to obey our host countries laws.
Honestly he would have been shot for leaking information if he were in another country's military. Yes I do believe it's harsh and unfair but he really should have thought what he did through. He shouldn't be leaking information on the military if he doesn't want to accept the consequences, and perhaps the reason his treatment is so 'cruel' is to dissuade others from spreading private information on the military. Then again, I know I'm going to get rated boxes and agrees since what I'm saying is completely logical but you guys feel like he should be allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants since he's suppose to be free or whatever. He was a military member passing on secret information about his military/country which was treason last I checked.
[QUOTE=Valdor;26747900]Honestly he would have been shot for leaking information if he were in another country's military.[/QUOTE] Another country = Third world country Civilized nations don't even have the death penalty for treason, and this wasn't treason
[QUOTE=not_Morph53;26747889]We are held under both. We still have to obey our host countries laws.[/QUOTE] Obviously, most people outside of the military (speaking from a relatively new Airman's perspective) aren't familiar at all with how harsh the UCMJ is, though. I made my point a little more clear, I suppose I worded that pretty poorly.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26747912]Another country = Third world country Civilized nations don't even have the death penalty for treason, and this wasn't treason[/QUOTE] We aren't other nations. Cry about it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26748781]Cry about it.[/QUOTE] Maybe I will. :colbert:
Let him post on FP!
Land of the free, home of the brave etc etc [editline]17th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;26748781]We aren't other nations. Cry about it.[/QUOTE] Is that even a retort.
I say we get that guy out of there. Anyone up for a good old fasion captain price style rescue (lololol mw2).
I get paranoid after hours at work with the masses of cameras in store. My shift is only 3 hours long, I hope this man is OK afterwards
23 hours out of 24 he sits alone. That's fucked up. What kind of cruel bastards let this go on?
[QUOTE=GunFox;26748781]We aren't other nations. Cry about it.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, are you being serious here?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26750032] Is that even a retort.[/QUOTE] As good as we'll get from the resident US military apologist
[release]UPDATE: I was contacted by Lt. Villiard, who claims there is one factual inaccuracy in what I wrote: specifically, he claims that Manning is not restricted from accessing news or current events during the prescribed time he is permitted to watch television. That is squarely inconsistent with reports from those with first-hand knowledge of Manning's detention, but it's a fairly minor dispute in the scheme of things. UPDATE II: On MSNBC, Keith Olbermann did a segment on the conditions of Manning's incarceration, with FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley. At least on its website, CBS News also reported on the story. And I was on Democracy Now Thursday morning elaborating on my Manning article yesterday, as well as discussing Savage's article this morning and the imminent release of Assange from prison (the transcript is [url=http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/16/alleged_wikileaks_whistleblower_bradley_manning_imprisoned]here[/url]) [/release]
[QUOTE=the dopest;26732098]can you imagine being completely alone for 7 months? it would be torture[/QUOTE] That is what solitary is all about. One guy here in Finland got out of jail and first thing he did was shot 3 men with a shotgun. Motherfucker ain't ever getting out of solitary. There are ~65 people sitting in solitary right now, in Finland. They are too dangerous, you know. However this army kid doesn't deserve that kind of shit.
No idea how long those have been there, so thought I'd just post them :|
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26751329]As good as we'll get from the resident US military apologist[/QUOTE] It's more I'm wondering if he intended to basically say that the US isn't as good as other countries, probably not.
thats jacked up =\
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26752353]It's more I'm wondering if he intended to basically say that the US isn't as good as other countries, probably not.[/QUOTE] You'll never get that out of Gunfox.
[QUOTE=imadaman;26751990][release]UPDATE: I was contacted by Lt. Villiard, who claims there is one factual inaccuracy in what I wrote: specifically, he claims that Manning is not restricted from accessing news or current events during the prescribed time he is permitted to watch television. That is squarely inconsistent with reports from those with first-hand knowledge of Manning's detention, but it's a fairly minor dispute in the scheme of things. UPDATE II: On MSNBC, Keith Olbermann did a segment on the conditions of Manning's incarceration, with FBI whistleblower Colleen Rowley. At least on its website, CBS News also reported on the story. And I was on Democracy Now Thursday morning elaborating on my Manning article yesterday, as well as discussing Savage's article this morning and the imminent release of Assange from prison (the transcript is [url=http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/16/alleged_wikileaks_whistleblower_bradley_manning_imprisoned]here[/url]) [/release][/QUOTE] I don't believe any military personnel that say he is being treated humanely. :colbert:
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