[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;26732907]when you are in the military, you are supposed to follow orders, even if they are not to release the truth
your country's well-being is entirely reliant on you following orders, therefore if you don't follow them you put your country and its people in danger[/QUOTE]
Time to pardon all those war criminals. After all, they can't make a judgment for themselves and thought their glorious leader was god on earth so who were they to question orders. Sounds like something I've heard before.
[QUOTE=Ergolicious;26732109]Try sitting in a room all day and night alone, you'll go crazy.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what most Facepunchers do all the time?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26750032]
Is that even a retort.[/QUOTE]
It isn't intended to be. I'm tired of dealing with that arrogant attitude. We are a different culture. We are not you. Yes, we have problems, but so do you. You can bitch and moan and pretend to be superior, but it doesn't change anything.
This "we are civilized and you are not" attitude is stupid and narrow minded.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26756859]It isn't intended to be. I'm tired of dealing with that arrogant attitude. We are a different culture. We are not you. Yes, we have problems, but so do you. You can bitch and moan and pretend to be superior, but it doesn't change anything.
This "we are civilized and you are not" attitude is stupid and narrow minded.[/QUOTE]
That's an absolutely ridiculous attitude to take.
Where did Zeke say that other nations didn't have problems? Who pretended to be superior? You're so defensive you're arguing points that [I]don't even exist[/I].
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26756951]That's an absolutely ridiculous attitude to take.
Where did Zeke say that other nations didn't have problems? Who pretended to be superior? You're so defensive you're arguing points that [I]don't even exist[/I].[/QUOTE]
Seriously? You don't even see it? I assumed that you were at least aware of it.
Didn't Manning ever watch Baretta? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime...
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;26750848]23 hours out of 24 he sits alone. That's fucked up. What kind of cruel bastards let this go on?[/QUOTE]
Americans. American prisons. Stays in solitary can last months and even beyond 12 months. It's pretty common practice for "violent" criminals. (Read: disobedient prisoners; unsurprisingly, solitary only makes them more inclined to outbursts) Somehow it is seen as better than executing them. As for Manning, he's a "threat" to national security, so I imagine he'll be in there for a very long time.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26757012]Seriously? You don't even see it? I assumed that you were at least aware of it.[/QUOTE]
I think Zeke's comment was more about how what has happened here is wrong. Noone is preaching racial superiority here, you can calm down. If a country does something wrong, it's pretty stupid to ask people to just forget about it and ignore it.
'we are a different culture' is a terrible argument considering that could be used just as much for the countries that implement sharia law. When something is done wrong, no amount of patriotism or jingoism should get in the way of that.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;26757793]Americans. American prisons. Stays in solitary can last months and even beyond 12 months. It's pretty common practice for "violent" criminals. (Read: disobedient prisoners; unsurprisingly, solitary only makes them more inclined to outbursts) Somehow it is seen as better than executing them. As for Manning, he's a "threat" to national security, so I imagine he'll be in there for a very long time.[/QUOTE]
Solitary confinement is not the same thing as what Manning is going through.
In American prisons, solitary confinement includes the same treatment (meals, books, yard time) that the other prisoners get.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;26758031]Solitary confinement is not the same thing as what Manning is going through.
In American prisons, solitary confinement includes the same treatment (meals, books, yard time) that the other prisoners get.[/QUOTE]
It's not, actually. They're in there for 23/24 hours a day, constantly have cameras watching them, they are given no access to television, radio, or exercise equipment. Their meals are delivered to them through slots in their doors. In fact, they become so starved for attention, that they attach notes to any sort of string or line they can get ahold of, and throw them out from under their door until someone on the other side gets it. Which, of course, only gets you more time in solitary. A nice cycle, if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;26758191]It's not, actually. They're in there for 23/24 hours a day, constantly have cameras watching them, they are given no access to television, radio, or exercise equipment. Their meals are delivered to them through slots in their doors. In fact, they become so starved for attention, that they attach notes to any sort of string or line they can get ahold of, and throw them out from under their door until someone on the other side gets it. Which, of course, only gets you more time in solitary. A nice cycle, if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we're talking about two different treatments?
I think you're referring to solitary as a punishment, I was thinking of solitary as a protective measure, as they sometimes do.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;26758287]Maybe we're talking about two different treatments?
I think you're referring to solitary as a punishment, I was thinking of solitary as a protective measure, as they sometimes do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, as punishment for prisoners who are violent or disrespectful towards guards. Protective solitary is usually short-term, right?
[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;26758323]Yeah, as punishment for prisoners who are violent or disrespectful towards guards. Protective solitary is usually short-term, right?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think so.
My grandpa was stationed at quantico. Fun place
[QUOTE=Valdor;26747900]Honestly he would have been shot for leaking information if he were in another country's military. Yes I do believe it's harsh and unfair but he really should have thought what he did through.[/QUOTE]
He did know but he thought giving the information was more important.
[QUOTE=Ergolicious;26732109]Try sitting in a room all day and night alone, you'll go crazy.[/QUOTE]
He's clearly accustomed to his parents' basement 24/7
Torture is the worst thing I know :frown:
That and being buried alive.
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
Poor guy, I would have killed myself...
[QUOTE=Fhux;26764158]Torture is the worst thing I know :frown:
That and being buried alive.
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
Poor guy, I would have killed myself...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=GunFox;26756859]It isn't intended to be. I'm tired of dealing with that arrogant attitude. We are a different culture. We are not you. Yes, we have problems, but so do you. You can bitch and moan and pretend to be superior, but it doesn't change anything.
This "we are civilized and you are not" attitude is stupid and narrow minded.[/QUOTE]
strayebyrd already gave you a great response so I'll just reiterate:
I never said other countries don't have problems. You're attacking strawmen because you just can't take the fact that I'm calling out America for doing something wrong. Stop taking it personally, I'm attacking a country - not you. (Although you give me more than enough fodder to do so)
unless of course the argument takes on a new direction and it becomes necessary to attack you, then I will
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26764420]strayebyrd already gave you a great response so I'll just reiterate:
I never said other countries don't have problems. You're attacking strawmen because you just can't take the fact that I'm calling out America for doing something wrong. Stop taking it personally, I'm attacking a country - not you. (Although you give me more than enough fodder to do so)
unless of course the argument takes on a new direction and it becomes necessary to attack you, then I will[/QUOTE]
[quote]As good as we'll get from the resident US military apologist[/quote]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26755984]You'll never get that out of Gunfox.[/QUOTE]
It's already personal. You if you wish to continue the trend, go ahead.
You are claiming that the United States is not a civilized nation in your usual arrogant manner. I don't really give a shit about the rest.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26766014]It's already personal. You if you wish to continue the trend, go ahead.
You are claiming that the United States is not a civilized nation in your usual arrogant manner. I don't really give a shit about the rest.[/QUOTE]
I guess to some people civilized is being able to hold a fork for 2 seconds
[QUOTE=the dopest;26732098]can you imagine being completely alone for 7 months? it would be torture[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the best vacation [b]ever[/b]. Guess I don't know any cool people IRL, huh?
"When I am president, the United States will not torture!"
But then again:
"I will not lower taxes for the wealthy."
Chickenshit motherfucker.
I'm surprised there isn't more outrage on the subject.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;26767993]I'm surprised there isn't more outrage on the subject.[/QUOTE]
most people dont know or if they do they dont think they can do anything about it so they dont.
[QUOTE=the dopest;26732098]can you imagine being completely alone for 7 months? it would be torture[/QUOTE]
Dude..I dream for it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;26769332]Dude..I dream for it.[/QUOTE]
Not that hard. just get up, go outside, start runnin, stop when you see a cave and live there.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26766014]It's already personal. You if you wish to continue the trend, go ahead.
You are claiming that the United States is not a civilized nation in your usual arrogant manner. I don't really give a shit about the rest.[/QUOTE]
In this case it became necessary to attack you because I won't be getting around your stubborn opinions anytime soon. Your patriotism extends beyond what is considered healthy patriotism and falls somewhere in the realm of blind subservience to your [i]omnipotent country[/i]. You dislike the way the TSA is handling itself, and I acknowledged and praised that in its relevant thread, but when it comes to torture and various other war crimes that your government openly commits, USA can do no wrong with you. But as long as you're not inconvenienced at the airport who gives a shit about journalists gunned down by choppers, civilians killed in drone strikes, and young men being held and tortured without due process. It became necessary to attack you because the vast majority of your views are abhorrent and disgusting and a perfect example of what is wrong with the average American today. I've fucking gone [i]easy[/i] on you because you have a green name but if you want to play it this way, I am much obliged.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26769432]Not that hard. just get up, go outside, start runnin, stop when you see a cave and live there.[/QUOTE]
Awesome, I'll make it all high tech :D
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26769540]In this case it became necessary to attack you because I won't be getting around your stubborn opinions anytime soon. Your patriotism extends beyond what is considered healthy patriotism and falls somewhere in the realm of blind subservience to your [i]omnipotent country[/i]. You dislike the way the TSA is handling itself, and I acknowledged and praised that in its relevant thread, but when it comes to torture and various other war crimes that your government openly commits, USA can do no wrong with you. But as long as you're not inconvenienced at the airport who gives a shit about journalists gunned down by choppers, civilians killed in drone strikes, and young men being held and tortured without due process. It became necessary to attack you because the vast majority if your views are abhorrent and disgusting and a perfect example of what is wrong with the average American today. I've fucking gone [i]easy[/i] on you because you have a green name but if you want to play it this way, I am much obliged.[/QUOTE]
Zeke, I agree with you on this. Thank you for slapping him hard in the brain.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732066]Read later into the article lockdown6.[/QUOTE]
You've just become some sort of terrible poster for the last while, or maybe you always were, I don't remember anymore.
[editline]17th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;26748781]We aren't other nations. Cry about it.[/QUOTE]
Gunfox is ok with Sharia law and fascist dictatorships if it's [b]american enough[/b]
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