• Wikileaks: Bradley Manning is Being Tortured
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[QUOTE=Killuah;26732640]It might be treason by how the law or the military or whoever defines it. But not in my book. [/QUOTE] An extension of that argument is "killing children isn't murder in my book so I'm just going to kill lots of children and the law can't do anything because I don't agree"
[QUOTE=Killuah;26732640]It might be treason by how the law or the military or whoever defines it. But not in my book. He did a very patriotic thing in my eyes. Revealing what is wrong with the country and thus provoce discussion and change is one of the most patriotic things you can do in my book. This man is a fucking hero. An because some old military farts think their actions and decisions may be revealed as wrong now he has to endure psychologic torture.[/QUOTE] Exactly. All of you people playing devil's advocate aren't proving anything to the people explaining that [b]this is wrong[/b]
No matter how heroic he might be nothing saves him from torture. And as you sit your fat ass down on your chair just think that someone has to endure your exact circumstances without a computer or comfy chair, and it's fucking horrible. Also don't get a boner.
When he gets freed you can bet your ass he'd no longer proudly serve his country. This sounds like something straight out of a movie - some guy getting imprisioned for months and months, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if he defected to another nation after this.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26732681]No matter how heroic he might be nothing saves him from torture. And as you sit your fat ass down on your chair just think that someone has to endure your exact circumstances without a computer or comfy chair, and it's fucking horrible. Also don't get a boner.[/QUOTE] Our "fat ass" lol
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26732654] [B]A Totally transparent government, DOES NOT, work.[/B][/QUOTE] Well, manning just proved that. [B][highlight]Covering up the machine-gunning of innocent reporters and civilians DOES NOT work[/highlight][/B]
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26732706]Well, manning just proved that. [red]Covering up the machine-gunning of innocent reporters and civilians DOES NOT work[/red][/QUOTE] Its [noparse][highlight][/highlight][/noparse]
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26732706]Well, manning just proved that. [B][red]Covering up the machine-gunning of innocent reporters and civilians DOES NOT work[/red][/B][/QUOTE] it does if you cover it up properly
[QUOTE=KorJax;26732694]When he gets freed you can bet your ass he'd no longer proudly serve his country. This sounds like something straight out of a movie - some guy getting imprisioned for months and months, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if he defected to another nation after this.[/QUOTE] I don't even know if he'd be mentally stable when he gets out. 7 Months can do quite a lot of psychological damage.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732658]An extension of that argument is "killing children isn't murder in my book so I'm just going to kill lots of children and the law can't do anything because I don't agree"[/QUOTE] No. "This is wrong" doesn't mean "everything is wrong" By saying "The law is not always right" I am not implying "the law is always wrong".
[QUOTE=Killuah;26732747]No. "This is wrong" doesn't mean "everything is wrong" By saying "The law is not always right" I am not implying "the law is always wrong".[/QUOTE] You're saying you don't agree with certain aspects of the law. If someone else disagrees with different aspects, ie killing children, are they allowed to break the law?
It doesn't really matter whether it is really treason or is it not, he's still treated worse than prisoners are without actually being convicted with anything.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26732706]Well, manning just proved that. [B][highlight]Covering up the machine-gunning of innocent reporters and civilians DOES NOT work[/highlight][/B][/QUOTE] Yes the government has to take responsibility but military leaks have to be addressed as they can jeopardize the safety of the country.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732658]An extension of that argument is "killing children isn't murder in my book so I'm just going to kill lots of children and the law can't do anything because I don't agree"[/QUOTE] What's he been charged with?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26732761]Yes the government has to take responsibility but military leaks have to be addressed as they can jeopardize the safety of the country.[/QUOTE] exactly, especially if reporters get killed, then the media will get pissy and start making up bad stories about the government and military
[QUOTE=Tigster;26732763]What's he been charged with?[/QUOTE] Nothing, which I have stated a couple times. Just because certain people on the internet disagree with the law doesn't justify breaking the law. Someone obviously leaked the documents, so someone obviously broke the law.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732755]You're saying you don't agree with certain aspects of the law. If someone else disagrees with different aspects, ie killing children, are they allowed to break the law?[/QUOTE] No they aren't. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732781]Nothing, which I have stated a couple times. Just because certain people on the internet disagree with the law doesn't justify breaking the law. Someone obviously leaked the documents, so someone obviously broke the law.[/QUOTE] And that's where you get a trial, not mental torture.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732781]Nothing, which I have stated a couple times. Just because certain people on the internet disagree with the law doesn't justify breaking the law. Someone obviously leaked the documents, so someone obviously broke the law.[/QUOTE] But this guy wasn't actually charged for breaking the law so he is still technically a completely innocent man, yet is treated far worse than anyone who might have actually been charged with something like murder.
[QUOTE=Killuah;26732747]No. "This is wrong" doesn't mean "everything is wrong" By saying "The law is not always right" I am not implying "the law is always wrong".[/QUOTE] law is based on morals, therefore you are admitting that you do not have any, which explains why you sympathise with criminals
[QUOTE=simkas;26732801]But this guy wasn't actually charged for breaking the law so he is still technically a completely innocent man, yet is treated far worse than anyone who might have actually been charged with something like murder.[/QUOTE] That's not the point I was arguing, killuah was saying he disagrees with the definition of treason.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26732761]Yes the government has to take responsibility but military leaks have to be addressed as they [b]can[/b] jeopardize the safety of the country.[/QUOTE] More like jeopardizing the support for war in general. War crimes in the middle east don't jeopardize the safety of your glorious America. And if they do, there's something wrong, and that should be addressed instead of just sweeping it under the rug.
[QUOTE=simkas;26732801]But this guy wasn't actually charged for breaking the law so he is still technically a completely innocent man, yet is treated far worse than anyone who might have actually been charged with something like murder.[/QUOTE] he is obviously guilty of [i]something[/i], it might just take a little bit of time to work out what exactly that something is, that's all
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26732654][quote]There is something wrong with the laws of a country, when reporting the truth becomes a treasonous act.[/quote] I hate when people skew metaphors so far that they don't even apply to the subject. [/QUOTE] haha what thats not even a metaphor because thats what he's actually being accused of
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;26732658]An extension of that argument is "killing children isn't murder in my book so I'm just going to kill lots of children and the law can't do anything because I don't agree"[/QUOTE] Nice straw man argument.
It seems wikileaks has been doing a lot better since Assange stopped dragging it down.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26732821]More like jeopardizing the support for war in general. War crimes in the middle east don't jeopardize the safety of your glorious America. And if they do, there's something wrong, and that should be addressed instead of just sweeping it under the rug.[/QUOTE] Internal leaks have to be addressed.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26732654]He was a breach in security, if he was leaking documents in his spare time imagine what he might do if someone paid for certain information.[/QUOTE] But he didn't. He released them because he was appalled by what he saw, and he wanted things to change.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;26732803]law is based on morals, therefore you are admitting that you do not have any, which explains why you sympathise with criminals[/QUOTE] He isn't admitting to not having any morals? Just because you question already created laws doesn't mean you don't know right from wrong. What you just said makes you seem like an obsessive, socially undeveloped freak that takes every bit of authority as gospel-- Which is pretty fucked up. "Which explains why you sympathize with criminals" Hahahahah okay, keep going with the Status quo throughout your life
[QUOTE=TwinkieHouse;26732835]Nice straw man argument.[/QUOTE] [quote]It might be treason by how the law or the military or whoever defines it. But not in my book.[/quote] I disagree with X law that Y organization made, so that makes it okay to commit Z act prohibited by X law. Is basically what he is saying.
Too many people in this thread are saying that Manning should have just mindlessly followed the orders of the military like a robot, rather than do the morally right thing and releasing the truth. And now he is being tortured, without being charged or having a trial. For telling the [b]truth[/b].
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