343 Industries (Halo 4 Creators) Threaten Permabans for Sexist Comments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;38318324] while in pub games for halo no one ever communicates strategy. [/QUOTE] In your experience with Halo maybe, but one of the reason I love the Halo community is due to having proper communication in public games.

i still can't believe that some of you think permabans are a good idea why not just kick, mute, or a day ban

I agree, Permanent ban is too much.

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;38318324] I'm saying there are alternatives to banning.[/QUOTE] In most cases those alternatives were already used on the user subjected to the ban. That's how it always was on Xbox live and Halo, that's how it always will be.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38318373]i still can't believe that some of you think permabans are a good idea why not just kick, mute, or a day ban[/QUOTE] From my experience with LoL I really wish Riot would just permaban people on their first offense. I'm sure Halo's community has just as many bad apples.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38318373]i still can't believe that some of you think permabans are a good idea why not just kick, mute, or a day ban[/QUOTE] real consequences are the only way to make the children stop

[QUOTE=Shadaez;38318407]real consequences are the only way to make the children stop[/QUOTE] This pretty much. Every gaming community I've seen where this sort of a thing is a problem people just treat the bans like a joke. If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say something on the lines of "whatever as if this is my first ban" when they get reported I would be able to bring America out of it's debt.

[QUOTE=Delta616;38318365]In your experience with Halo maybe, but one of the reason I love the Halo community is due to having proper communication in public games.[/QUOTE] Proper communication and halo community don't belong in the same sentence, especially when talking about matchmaking.

[QUOTE=Hobo4President;38318450]Proper communication and halo community don't belong in the same sentence, especially when talking about matchmaking.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Delta616;38318365][B]In your experience with Halo maybe[/B], but one of the reason I love the Halo community is due to having proper communication in public games. [B]Including match making with the proper filters.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Delta616;38318547][/QUOTE] You edited that in and still I disagree. It would be no different to playing with someone who doesn't have a microphone. Even if they try to resort to team killng you can just boot them or give them a bad rep so you don't meet up with them again.

I am curious to know how they enforce this rule. Do they keep every sound file of a person's voice?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;38318596]I am curious to know how they enforce this rule. Do they keep every sound file of a person's voice?[/QUOTE] Didn't they do some kind of automatic match recording thing in one of the Halo games that people could make a permanent save of before they get deleted over some period of time? If that was anything like .demo files with source games then it would record voice too.

[QUOTE=Boxbot219;38318765]Didn't they do some kind of automatic match recording thing in one of the Halo games that people could make a permanent save of before they get deleted over some period of time? If that was anything like .demo files with source games then it would record voice too.[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, they didn't save voice in Halo 3 match recordings. I haven't played a Halo game since 3 so I'm not sure about ODST or Reach. Enforcement really is the biggest issue though. It's easy enough to say that people will get permabanned for sexism but there have been rules against racism and other kind of harassment for ages and people have rarely been banned in my experience. If they have the resources to record the voice communications from games and review them when a report comes in, that's great. Halo is a popular game though, and it would be worrisome if, in an effort to deal with a large volume of reports, they did something like set a threshold of harassment reports a person could receive before they are issued an automatic permaban. It would be unfortunate if an easy to abuse system such as this were implemented. On another note, it is surprising to see the general consensus that a permaban for saying something in public game chat is a good idea. I have little to say myself on the subject, but I remember people throwing a fit back when something similar to this happened back in SWTOR.

I am perfectly fine with this. You know what's even easier than pushing the mute button? Not being a giant shmuck. So.

[QUOTE=TH89;38320758]I am perfectly fine with this. You know what's even easier than pushing the mute button? Not being a giant shmuck. So.[/QUOTE] Or you could just hit the mute button which is far easier than complaining about sexism and racism when there is already a solution to the problem built in. I highly doubt this will even be enforced since it would be hard to figure out if someone is being sexist or racist unless people complain enough, and if only one person complains you're not going to get banned (if you do that is a terrible flaw).

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;38318596]I am curious to know how they enforce this rule. Do they keep every sound file of a person's voice?[/QUOTE] You could probably base it on reports. For example, if somebody gets say 50 reports over the course of a few weeks specifically related to sexism than that is a pretty good indication of something.

[QUOTE=froztshock;38320567]If I recall correctly, they didn't save voice in Halo 3 match recordings. I haven't played a Halo game since 3 so I'm not sure about ODST or Reach. Enforcement really is the biggest issue though. It's easy enough to say that people will get permabanned for sexism but there have been rules against racism and other kind of harassment for ages and people have rarely been banned in my experience. If they have the resources to record the voice communications from games and review them when a report comes in, that's great. Halo is a popular game though, and it would be worrisome if, in an effort to deal with a large volume of reports, they did something like set a threshold of harassment reports a person could receive before they are issued an automatic permaban. It would be unfortunate if an easy to abuse system such as this were implemented. On another note, it is surprising to see the general consensus that a permaban for saying something in public game chat is a good idea. I have little to say myself on the subject, but I remember people throwing a fit back when something similar to this happened back in SWTOR.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there's actually a lot of really interesting ideas with respect to enforcement that may get implemented in the future. Extra Credits did a really good episode covering some of them, which leading to them having a meeting with some senior Microsoft people: [url]http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/harassment[/url] [editline]5th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sand;38320823]Or you could just hit the mute button which is far easier than complaining about sexism and racism when there is already a solution to the problem built in. I highly doubt this will even be enforced since it would be hard to figure out if someone is being sexist or racist unless people complain enough, and if only one person complains you're not going to get banned (if you do that is a terrible flaw).[/QUOTE] People shouldn't need to "opt out," over and over, of being racially and sexually abused on a daily basis, and the reputation the online gaming community has in the outside world is atrocious and is seriously affecting the demographic makeup of the gaming community, the moral character, not to mention the bottom lines of the industry. To act like abuse in online games is a non-issue is really myopic and delusional. Watch the Extra Credits video.

[QUOTE=Sand;38320823]Or you could just hit the mute button which is far easier than complaining about sexism and racism when there is already a solution to the problem built in. I highly doubt this will even be enforced since it would be hard to figure out if someone is being sexist or racist unless people complain enough, and if only one person complains you're not going to get banned (if you do that is a terrible flaw).[/QUOTE] basically the connotation here is that by you are liable to be harassed by default

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38279093]This isn't about being bothered. It's the same reason why you can't be racist against colored people even in front of all-white class. It enforces and spreads the shit we should be trying to get rid of.[/QUOTE] You're sitting here implying that white isn't a colour? That's segregation, you're racist mate.

[QUOTE=Sand;38320823]Or you could just hit the mute button which is far easier than complaining about sexism and racism when there is already a solution to the problem built in. I highly doubt this will even be enforced since it would be hard to figure out if someone is being sexist or racist unless people complain enough, and if only one person complains you're not going to get banned (if you do that is a terrible flaw).[/QUOTE] The solution to racism and sexism is close your ears!!

but what if I want to call someone a nigger :(

[QUOTE=KonerBiller;38324544]but what if I want to call someone a nigger :([/QUOTE] You won't be missed.

[QUOTE=KonerBiller;38324544]but what if I want to call someone a nigger :([/QUOTE] iunno jump off a bridge or something