343 Industries (Halo 4 Creators) Threaten Permabans for Sexist Comments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=J!NX;38279692]it takes like, 1 second to do that "Ok I won't mute them because they shouldn't say bad things" I agree with punishing people but what are you even trying to say. "I Shouldn't have to" would be a better sentence. I just don't get it :v:[/QUOTE] really? you don't get it? it's honestly that incomprehensible for you to understand why maybe just maybe someone wouldn't want to have to deal with shithead 14 year olds saying sexist/racist/homophobic shit just so that people like you won't cry about free speech and $60? honestly what the fuck is the negative here? a private company is regulating their VOIP service that THEY PROVIDE so that the game is more enjoyable for their customers and you guys are honestly bitching because you're worried about $60 that you wouldn't have to worry about as long as you don't act like a complete tosser online

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38279564]No. There are thoughts and there are things that hurt people.[/quote] How is sexism not a thought or belief? [quote]There are times and places where it's okay to discuss them - especially when everyone else agrees to talk about it, purposefully. A public chatroom of a game largely for kids simply isn't such a place.[/QUOTE] Halo 4's rating is still pending, but the rest of the Halo series has been rated M. So children shouldn't be playing it anyways.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38279663]i'm sorry buddy it must be really hard being a manchild in a public game server...... :'([/QUOTE] Because I think having your 60$ game permabanned for a really nebulous misinterpret able offense makes me a manchild.

[url]http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/08/study-80-of-gamers-believe-sexism-is-rampant-in-the-gaming-community/[/url] the only way to get rid of idiocy like this is to just boot the players. obviously you don't value other people, so why should 343 value you?

[QUOTE=Agoat;38279703]That gets abused very quickly. On Reach they have "mute bans". If a lot of people mute on player, they get muted in matchmaking for a while. If it continues it becomes permanent.[/QUOTE] it was a joke

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38279718]really? you don't get it? it's honestly that incomprehensible for you to understand why maybe just maybe someone wouldn't want to have to deal with shithead 14 year olds saying sexist/racist/homophobic shit just so that people like you won't cry about free speech and $60? honestly what the fuck is the negative here? a private company is regulating their VOIP service that THEY PROVIDE so that the game is more enjoyable for their customers and you guys are honestly bitching because you're worried about $60 that you wouldn't have to worry about as long as you don't act like a complete tosser online[/QUOTE] I'm very neutral on this actually I want them punished good, but permabans just seem somewhat harsh. I'm that "Maybe a weekly ban + severely reduced stats, then a monthly, then a perma" guy. It would be like, instead of weekly bans for trolling on FP after 3 trolls, a perma for 5 trolls instead. calm your paddles

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38279729]it was a joke[/QUOTE] It gets really hard to tell sometimes...

Muting these people doesn't stop the issue. They're still being sexist assholes, you just can't hear them. The issue doesn't go away by just ignoring it.

[QUOTE=J!NX;38279740]I'm very neutral on this actually I want them punished good, but permabans just seem somewhat harsh. I'm that "Maybe a weekly ban, then a monthly, then a perma" guy[/QUOTE] I don't think that's terrible. Let them know first that what they're doing is not okay, then remove them if they don't stop.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279724]Because I think having your 60$ game permabanned for a really nebulous misinterpret able offense makes me a manchild.[/QUOTE] you're given a privilege to play a specific piece of software, and if you break that by being unsavory and bust certain rules, you get those privileges taken away; what's the problem here? this isn't fucking AP calculus

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38279781]you're given a privilege to play a specific piece of software, and if you break that by being unsavory and bust certain rules, what's the problem here? this isn't fucking AP calculus[/QUOTE] i have a C- in that class just wanted to brag

Can I still harass Americans in a badly forced accent?

[QUOTE=Ownederd;38279781]you're given a privilege to play a specific piece of software, and if you break that by being unsavory and bust certain rules, what's the problem here? this isn't fucking AP calculus[/QUOTE] I understand it, I understand 343's ability to do this, I still think it's bullshit. It's not fucking 3rd grade arithmetic.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279801]I understand it, I understand 343's ability to do this, I still think it's bullshit. It's not fucking 3rd grade arithmetic.[/QUOTE] and your reasoning for thinking it's bullshit?

I have to support this. Sexism is an issue in communities and people need to be told that having a mic does not give you a right to be a retard.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279801]I understand it, I understand 343's ability to do this, I still think it's bullshit. It's not fucking 3rd grade arithmetic.[/QUOTE] did you not get the point of his joke or is 3rd grade arithmetic really difficult for you?

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279801]I understand it, I understand 343's ability to do this, I still think it's bullshit. It's not fucking 3rd grade arithmetic.[/QUOTE]Ok, you're still wrong. You are right on the second part though. Its even easier to understand. Which makes one wonder why you have such trouble understanding.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38279826]did you not get the point of his joke or is 3rd grade arithmetic really difficult for you?[/QUOTE] That was my joke, see it compares his thinking to 3rd grade arithmetic. get it? get it? get it?

If it's many repeated offenses with increasing punishments, I think a permaban would definitely be in order. But it seems like if it was just one or two times that would be jumping the gun a bit. A lot of these people care way too much about these games and would probably stop if they felt threatened.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279850]That was my joke, see it compares his thinking to 3rd grade arithmetic. get it? get it? get it?[/QUOTE] wow no wonder why you think what 343 is doing is unwarranted in your point of view

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38279850]That was my joke, see it compares his thinking to 3rd grade arithmetic. get it? get it? get it?[/QUOTE] that uh.. that isn't really very funny unless we assume you find 3rd grade arithmetic really difficult to understand..

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38279907]that uh.. that isn't really very funny unless we assume you find 3rd grade arithmetic really difficult to understand..[/QUOTE] (the joke was that the other person finds it difficult to understand)

Is this like a zero-tolerance thing or are the permabans just going to be issued for significant sexism and repeated harassment? Who's even going to decide what counts as a bannable sexist comment anyway

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38279748]Muting these people doesn't stop the issue. They're still being sexist assholes, you just can't hear them. The issue doesn't go away by just ignoring it.[/QUOTE] Like permabanning is gonna stop them. They need education instead. Force them to watch a horribly boring but educational video on why they're being narrow minded fuckwads every time right before they join a game or get repeatedly flagged for harassment, instead of permabanning. [I]"Don't just kill them, make them squirm first"[/I]

[QUOTE=RobbL;38279931]Is this like a zero-tolerance thing or are the permabans just going to be issued for significant sexism and repeated harassment? Who's even going to decide what counts as a bannable sexist comment anyway[/QUOTE]Repeated offenses. Also, it should be pretty apparent what qualifies as a sexist comment. [editline]1st November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;38279934]Like permabanning is gonna stop them. They need education instead. Force them to watch a horribly boring but educational video on why they're being narrow minded fuckwads every time right before they join a game or get repeatedly flagged for harassment, instead of permabanning. [I]"Don't just kill them, make them squirm first"[/I][/QUOTE]I would actually love if they were forced to watch a video explaining why they are a horrible person before they could play online in any respect. And make it happen every time. Then permaban them if they slip up again.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38279962]Repeated offenses. Also, it should be pretty apparent what qualifies as a sexist comment.[/QUOTE] There is a certain grey area regarding sexism, but as long as these bans are only for significant and repeated offences then that's sort of irrelevant really

well if it constitutes and re-enforces sexism, it's sexism

They will eventually have nobody playing halo 4. By nobody I meant a huge chunk of players gone.

[QUOTE=Civil;38279999]They will eventually have nobody playing halo 4. By nobody I meant a huge chunk of players gone.[/QUOTE] sounds good let's do this

I would hate to be so restricted like that on language. being able to insult who you want and doing jokes about whatever matter you wish is great, most humor tastes better when you know that it'll make people angry (although this is mostly when it doesn't actually offend somebody present). And I'm going to disagree on the notion that jokes said for humor's sake enforce negative attitudes. Can anyone present some data?