Petition Started to Ban Monument to Founder of Ku Klux Klan, Nathan Bedford Forrest - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;37646922]Was Lee even directly a bigot? Sure he is indirectly one for fighting for the South but I was under the impression he only fought for the South because he had a hard-on for Virginia.[/QUOTE] That's what I was taught in school but Wikipedia says that may just be so Southerners can continue to worship him has a hero.

I'm pretty sure Lee was just fighting for Virginia. I remember reading a letter he wrote to his son explaining this in school quite a while back.

I got the impression that Lee wasn't fond of slavery, and he might have actually fought for the Union if he wouldn't have to invade his home state.

It's protected by the first amendment of the constitution to have that monument, even if it's banned a court will probably overrule it.

[QUOTE=BrownTown;37647357]It's protected by the first amendment of the constitution to have that monument, even if it's banned a court will probably overrule it.[/QUOTE] What the first amendment is not at issue here

if it's not on public land there's not much a petition could do.

signed it anyway

[QUOTE=teh pirate;37644798]I never knew Forrest founded the KKK, only that he was a great general. Lol Texas education[/QUOTE] Did your history book include the chapter "NEGROES: America's Singin'est Rapefolk?"

[QUOTE=Kljunas;37644782][Quote]the first Grand Wizard of the KKK[/Quote]I want to join the KKK just to have a cool title like this one.[/QUOTE] For a hate group dedicated to white supremacy and Christianity, I never really understood why they gave themselves such blasphemous titles.

[QUOTE=Sixer;37649800]For a hate group dedicated to white supremacy and Christianity, I never really understood why they gave themselves such blasphemous titles.[/QUOTE] To scare people.

This would be like putting up a statue of Hitler in Germany, only Germans won't put up with that shit. In America it's ~debatable~ [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] Oh no, this statue of Hitler isn't because of his role as leader of the Nazi party and the Holocaust, it's for his service to the German Army in WW1 obviously. :downs:

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37650278]This would be like putting up a statue of Hitler in Germany, only Germans won't put up with that shit. In America it's ~debatable~ [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] Oh no, this statue of Hitler isn't because of his role as leader of the Nazi party and the Holocaust, it's for his service to the German Army in WW1 obviously. :downs:[/QUOTE] Godwin's Law as fuck.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37650278]This would be like putting up a statue of Hitler in Germany, only Germans won't put up with that shit. In America it's ~debatable~ [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] Oh no, this statue of Hitler isn't because of his role as leader of the Nazi party and the Holocaust, it's for his service to the German Army in WW1 obviously. :downs:[/QUOTE] Forrest didn't kill 10+ million people, it turns out.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;37650398]Forrest didn't kill 10+ million people, it turns out.[/QUOTE] No, he just tried to intimidate and subdue many more. Who knows what he would do if he got state power?

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37646637]Forrest didn't found the KKK. He was an early member but that would be like saying postal or firerain founded facepunch[/QUOTE] Well Firerain did found Facepunch since he's obviously Garry's alt.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;37644868]I just looked it up, apparently he dissolved the KKK and while giving a speech was offered a bouquet of flowers from a black woman. He accepted them and declared himself a progressive and in favor of equal rights.[/QUOTE] Maybe they should put up a new statue of him accepting the flowers, instead of one that glorifies his career as a probable war criminal.

I remember him from my book 'Guns of the South.' Really interesting read. Alternate history where racist South Africans travel back in time to help the South win the Civil War by providing them with AK-47s and ammunition.

[quote]Fortier is upset that the [b]Friends of Forrest, a neo-Confederate group[/b], is planning a renovation of a public monument to the founder of the Ku Klux Klan, Nathan Bedford Forrest, in the Live Oak Cemetery.[/quote] I totally misread that as "Friends of the Forest'.

Thats not okkk

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;37651046]I totally misread that as "Friends of the Forest'.[/QUOTE] I just realized that it's only a neo-Confederate group who wants to renovate, the KKK have absolutely nothing to do with this other than a dead man's association with it a hundred years ago. [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;37650558]I remember him from my book 'Guns of the South.' Really interesting read. Alternate history where racist South Africans travel back in time to help the South win the Civil War by providing them with AK-47s and ammunition.[/QUOTE] God I loved that book so much. Harry Turtledove will always be my favorite author.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37650278]This would be like putting up a statue of Hitler in Germany, only Germans won't put up with that shit. In America it's ~debatable~ [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] Oh no, this statue of Hitler isn't because of his role as leader of the Nazi party and the Holocaust, it's for his service to the German Army in WW1 obviously. :downs:[/QUOTE] Horrible comparison

[QUOTE=slamex;37644565]I believe Forrest Gump was named after this gentleman.[/QUOTE] We need a monument to Forrest Gump instead.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;37654452]Horrible comparison[/QUOTE] Yeah because theres a huge difference between ethnic cleansing of Jews and blacks.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37656561]Yeah because theres a huge difference between ethnic cleansing of Jews and blacks.[/QUOTE] which, interestingly enough, forrest denounced after dissolving the kkk for its stances once he reached the position of grand wizard, something hitler didn't do

Every time I see a controversy over Confederate symbols, I think of it in the perspective as if in 100 years some people in Afghanistan still flew the Taliban flag, claimed "Heritage", and built statues of Mohammad Omar in his home town and such.

[QUOTE=cat man;37657138]Every time I see a controversy over Confederate symbols, I think of it in the perspective as if in 100 years some people in Afghanistan still flew the Taliban flag, claimed "Heritage", and built statues of Mohammad Omar in his home town and such.[/QUOTE] its nothing like that at all

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37656561]Yeah because theres a huge difference between ethnic cleansing of Jews and blacks.[/QUOTE] There's a big fucking difference between making a race no more than a secondary citizen and exterminating an entire 6,000,000+ people with prejudice.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37657636]There's a big fucking difference between making a race no more than a secondary citizen and exterminating an entire 6,000,000+ people with prejudice.[/QUOTE] did you seriously just say that brutally murdering blacks (more than just hanging) was only "making blacks a second class citizen"? you're really downplaying how fucking disgusting the KKK was, and it's pretty insulting.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37657852]did you seriously just say that brutally murdering blacks (more than just hanging) was only "making blacks a second class citizen"? you're really downplaying how fucking disgusting the KKK was, and it's pretty insulting.[/QUOTE] And you're really playing up the power of the KKK if you think, at any point in history, they wielded as much power as Hitler in Nazi Germany. Your analogy was fucking terrible to begin with. Ignoring that terrible analogy, the guy shouldn't get a statue. Regardless of whether or not he split with the KKK later in life. Even if the statue is simply to mark his career as a Confederate general, his career was marred over the massacre at Fort Pillow where he supposedly ordered the execution of over a hundred Union POWs.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37659437]And you're really playing up the power of the KKK if you think, at any point in history, they wielded as much power as Hitler in Nazi Germany. Your analogy was fucking terrible to begin with. Ignoring that terrible analogy, the guy shouldn't get a statue. Regardless of whether or not he split with the KKK later in life. Even if the statue is simply to mark his career as a Confederate general, his career was marred over the massacre at Fort Pillow where he supposedly ordered the execution of over a hundred Union POWs.[/QUOTE] The statue itself is apparently commemorating the battle of Selma [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Selma[/URL]