Ukip leader Nigel Farage provokes anger after agreeing with 'basic principle' of Enoch Powell’s noto - Polidicks

Immigration is very serious. White or black or brown or yellow or red or blue or purple or indigo or green or invisible when you overpopulate a country or community shit gets wrecked

I'm not accusing him of being Fascist because he was far-right, it's more that his jingoistic nationalism straddles the blurred line between conservative nationalist jingoism and Fascist nationalist jingoism (if we are using Eco's definitions) His economic policies don't particularly factor into it at all.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43430852]Immigration is very serious. White or black or brown or yellow or red or blue or purple or indigo or green or invisible when you overpopulate a country or community shit gets wrecked[/QUOTE] I hope you realize that immigration is going to save our countries skewed birthrates and aging population.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43430789]lmao Enoch Powell said Nothing Wrong - Signed, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] If you want to know why people like Nigel Farage are growing in popularity, you and people like you are the reason. Dismissing views and insulting those that hold them does not make them go away, it allows the views to stand without effective opposition. If a debate is held and one sides makes seemingly logical points and the other hubristically brushes them off, ignores any points they make and attempts to shame them into opposition, the former comes across as a "common sense" underdog ignored by the political establishment and the latter comes across as crass and out of touch. UKIP are growing in popularity because they are dismissed rather than combatted. Try as you might you can not shame a group out of power when a secret ballot is in place. If UKIP is not taken seriously and the issues they raise directly addressed by the political establishment they will continue to grow in popularity.

Also Powell's use of immigrants as a reason for breakdowns in social cohesion closely follows the rhetoric of modern day fascists

[QUOTE=Vasili;43430740]He and his party have been rapidly gaining more support over the last few months.[/QUOTE] No he hasn't. UKIP is a one trick horse that people won't care about now we're slipping out of the recession. Not to mention Farage [I]is[/I] the party. When he goes, so will UKIP. [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aidan_088;43430903]If you want to know why people like Nigel Farage are growing in popularity, you and people like you are the reason. Dismissing views and insulting those that hold them does not make them go away, it allows the views to stand without effective opposition. If a debate is held and one sides makes seemingly logical points and the other hubristically brushes them off, ignores any points they make and attempts to shame them into opposition, the former comes across as a "common sense" underdog ignored by the political establishment and the latter comes across as crass and out of touch. UKIP are growing in popularity because they are dismissed rather than combatted. Try as you might you can not shame a group out of power when a secret ballot is in place. If UKIP is not taken seriously and the issues they raise directly addressed by the political establishment they will continue to grow in popularity.[/QUOTE] People said the same thing about the BNP. Just another far-right protest party. [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lonestriper;43430910]Also Powell's use of immigrants as a reason for breakdowns in social cohesion closely follows the rhetoric of modern day fascists[/QUOTE] "This is the first time that a serious British politician has appealed to racial hatred in this direct way in our postwar history."

ukip isn't so much a party as it is nigel farage's weekly daily mail column

[QUOTE=Stopper;43430846]Thank you Wikipedia: Ahem.[/QUOTE] Fascism is a far right ideology but the point I was making was that an ideology is more than its position on a model. Fascism involves the growth of the state and interventionist policies, both Enoch Powell and Nigel Farage are opposed to this. They are both far right but they are not fascists, as they hold many views that are in direct opposition to fascism.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43430900]I hope you realize that immigration is going to save our countries skewed birthrates and aging population.[/QUOTE] maybe in europe but in the americas immigration although looked at like a "lol americans are sooooo racist" problem is actually a very serious issue. Up here in NS the last thing we need is for the boomers to be replaced. Simply put there's too many of them still working for the amount of jobs that such a small province can offer. Couple that with the increasing age of retirement in canada and we're heading for the least open job market in canada.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43430974]maybe in europe but in the americas immigration although looked at like a "lol americans are sooooo racist" problem is actually a very serious issue. Up here in NS the last thing we need is for the boomers to be replaced. Simply put there's too many of them still working for the amount of jobs that such a small province can offer. Couple that with the increasing age of retirement in canada and we're heading for the least open job market in canada.[/QUOTE] I have never seen a Canadian complain about immigration before.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43430789]lmao Enoch Powell said Nothing Wrong - Signed, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] P.S. A shit load of hilariously wrong "historical" information used as a shit justification for our extreme bigotry

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;43430966]Fascism is a far right ideology but the point I was making was that an ideology is more than its position on a model. Fascism involves the growth of the state and interventionist policies, both Enoch Powell and Nigel Farage are opposed to this. They are both far right but they are not fascists, as they hold many views that are in direct opposition to fascism.[/QUOTE] You can be the greatest economic libertarian ever and still hold socially fascist ideals. The one hand doesn't wash the other of its proper label.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43430916] [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] People said the same thing about the BNP. Just another far-right protest party. [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] [/QUOTE] Exactly, remember how the BNP was growing in popularity until Nick Griffin went on Question time and was soundly defeated in a fair debate. Nigel Farage has proved more difficult but if he is wrong and it can be demonstrated publicly he will decline in popularity.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43430974]maybe in europe but in the americas immigration although looked at like a "lol americans are sooooo racist" problem is actually a very serious issue. Up here in NS the last thing we need is for the boomers to be replaced. Simply put there's too many of them still working for the amount of jobs that such a small province can offer. Couple that with the increasing age of retirement in canada and we're heading for the least open job market in canada.[/QUOTE] The population in Nova Scotia is plummeting as people pour out west because that's the only part with jobs As the population falls the jobs market falls with it, there's fucking nothing in the Maritimes now that the fish are gone and most of the industry is shut down There's no immigration issue anywhere in Canada (Or the world, sorry guys) [editline]5th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aidan_088;43431033]Exactly, remember how the BNP was growing in popularity until Nick Griffin went on Question time and was soundly defeated in a fair debate. Nigel Farage has proved more difficult but if he is wrong and it can be demonstrated publicly he will decline in popularity.[/QUOTE] He does that every time he opens his stupid racist mouth but he's got the kneejerk support of the populist movement behind him so people still believe he's a credible threat to the established political powers

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43430852]Immigration is very serious. White or black or brown or yellow or red or blue or purple or indigo or green or invisible when you overpopulate a country or community shit gets wrecked[/QUOTE] It's good to have shoddy or non-existent evidence isn't it.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43431012]P.S. A shit load of [B]hilariously wrong "historical" information[/B] used as a shit justification for our extreme bigotry[/QUOTE] Which parts?

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;43431033]Exactly, remember how the BNP was growing in popularity until Nick Griffin went on Question time and was soundly defeated in a fair debate. Nigel Farage has proved more difficult but if he is wrong and it can be demonstrated publicly he will decline in popularity.[/QUOTE] BNP didn't fail because of Question Time. Nick Griffin had been on TV many times before. The BNP failed because it was a stupid party with stupid policies. UKIP is also going to fail because its a stupid party with stupid policies carried only by the strength of Farage's grin.

UKIP will never win. They'll just split the vote with the Tories and put labour in power. Nigel Farage is like Ed Millibands useful idiot.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43431023]You can be the greatest economic libertarian ever and still hold socially fascist ideals. The one hand doesn't wash the other of its proper label.[/QUOTE] I suppose I was being pedantic. I just meant that they were not wholly fascist even if it could be argued that some views they hold could be viewed as fascist.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43431056]UKIP will never win. They'll just split the vote with the Tories and put labour in power. Nigel Farage is like Ed Millibands useful idiot.[/QUOTE] Its probably the best thing ever to happen to Labour in a couple of terms.

From what I can tell (as an outsider) UKIP seems to be the party dedicated to trying to fight the growing economic interdependence of Europe based upon a misapprehension of Britain's ability to survive economically by itself

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43431079]From what I can tell (as an outsider) UKIP seems to be the party dedicated to trying to fight the growing economic interdependence of Europe based upon a misapprehension of Britain's ability to survive economically by itself[/QUOTE] It's also like 45% xenophobia

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43431079]From what I can tell (as an outsider) UKIP seems to be the party dedicated to trying to fight the growing economic interdependence of Europe based upon a misapprehension of Britain's ability to survive economically by itself[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/mar/07/ukip-policies-manifesto-commitments[/url]

Holy shit UKIP are literally insane

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43431144]Holy shit UKIP are* [del]literally insane[/del][/QUOTE] *The one and only hope for the preservation of English culture and independence

I wish labour would unfuck themselves. To be honest the government hasn't been doing that badly, I guess both sides of the coalition are keeping each other in check. I just hope UKIP and BNP don't gain any seats.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43431144]Holy shit UKIP are literally insane[/QUOTE] what do you mean there is nothing wrong about removing benefits, privatizing the health service, scrapping green energy projects, creating a flat tax to dump it all into defense and doubling the prison population.

Oh no, I meant they're were insane for only cutting spending back to 1997 levels. What is this, the USSR? Should be at 1897 levels

didn't want those two million jobs anyway

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43431240]didn't want those two million jobs anyway[/QUOTE] Just hire two million new soldiers instead [editline]5th January 2014[/editline] They'd come in handy if you ever wanted to purge the UK of [I]something[/I] Not that they ever would