Ukip leader Nigel Farage provokes anger after agreeing with 'basic principle' of Enoch Powell’s noto - Polidicks

no of course not no rivers of blood here

Everyone should have the right to go anywhere they like, and who cares if they don't want to work! Everyone else should be willing to support them and respect them for making that choice! And if someone wants to live in a rich area and not work, the expensive housing and their expenditures should be subsidised by everyone else, because that's their decision and it's only fair! And if someone wants to buy expensive clothing with their benefits money, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol every night, that's also fine, it's their choice after all and has to be respected!

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43430880]I'm not accusing him of being Fascist because he was far-right, it's more that his jingoistic nationalism straddles the blurred line between conservative nationalist jingoism and Fascist nationalist jingoism (if we are using Eco's definitions) His economic policies don't particularly factor into it at all.[/QUOTE] [quote]In general, I would say that it is a fearful doctrine, which must recoil upon the heads of those who pronounce it, to stand in judgment on a fellow human-being and to say, "Because he was such-and-such, therefore the consequences which would otherwise flow from his death shall not flow."[/quote] [quote]Finally it is argued that this is Africa, that things are different there. Of course they are. The question is whether the difference between things there and here is such that the taking of responsibility there and here should be upon different principles. We claim that it is our object—and this is something which unites both sides of the House—to leave representative institutions behind us wherever we give up our rule. I cannot imagine that it is a way to plant representative institutions to be seen to shirk the acceptance and the assignment of responsibility, which is the very essence of responsible Government. Nor can we ourselves pick and choose where and in what parts of the world we shall use this or that kind of standard. We cannot say, "We will have African standards in Africa, Asian standards in Asia and perhaps British standards here at home." We have not that choice to make. We must be consistent with ourselves everywhere. [/quote] [url=http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1959/jul/27/hola-camp-kenya-report#S5CV0610P0_19590727_HOC_543]Look at this evil fascist, demanding governmental culpability and the rule of law![/url]

If someone wants to live in a populist-imagined xenophobic fantasy world, it's their right!

[QUOTE=lazyguy;43431353][url=http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1959/jul/27/hola-camp-kenya-report#S5CV0610P0_19590727_HOC_543]Look at this evil fascist, demanding governmental culpability and the rule of law![/url][/QUOTE] Wow so he wasn't a shit-heel apologist for British atrocities in Kenya, good on him. Still doesn't stop him being the kind of person to think immigration would cause a civil war and the best result for Britain would be cities containing many segregated foreign areas for immigrants [quote]The best I can dare hope for is that by the end of the century we shall not be left with a growing and more menacing phenomenon but with fixed and almost traditional 'foreign' areas in certain towns and cities which will remain as the lasting monument of a moment of national aberration[/quote] Doesn't help that he thought the UN was stupid because it tried to maintain the status-quo without force. Because apparently states can only exist through war and because of war, suspiciously close to fascist ideals of the glory of the state through constant struggle.

Accusing the UN of being toothless is now fascism. Fucking hell.

It was the justification of why he didn't like the UN you berk (it proposed to solve state-level problems without having to involve war and struggle)

Nationalism is really dumb.

And he thought that wasn't possible. Fascism proposed that the then-recent ideas of Darwinism ought to be applied to countries. There is a huge difference.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43431487]Nationalism is really dumb.[/QUOTE] didn't you get the memo its only dumb if you're not a white brit

[QUOTE=Vasili;43430123]Africans rounded up slaves for Arabs and Europeans, they traded humans for goods. Africans were as much involved in the dealings of the slave trade as much as being the victim of it, they still practice slavery today.[/QUOTE] wow this is so indiscriminate and frightening [i]some northern africans[/i] were involved in very early, muslim-ran slave trading... so therefore it's okay that western europe ransacked the entire continent and instilled slavery as a social norm for hundreds of years on an industrial scale that dwarfed everything ever seen in the modern world? jesus christ. not to mention that there were literally hundreds and hundreds of years between these two societies. you are comparing the two and saying "well it's fair game". that basically just amounts to revenge against a race of people based on the fact folks who were in generations hundreds of years before them did some bad stuff. that's frightening i wonder if, in some crazy scifi world where white people are enslaved by a giant black empire in a few hundred years, you will say "well tbh it's fine cos some of our forefathers were involved in that a few hundred years ago so oh well"

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43431012]P.S. A shit load of hilariously wrong "historical" information used as a shit justification for our extreme bigotry[/QUOTE] Brought to you by Facepunch's Hick-Squad

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43431037]The population in Nova Scotia is plummeting as people pour out west because that's the only part with jobs As the population falls the jobs market falls with it, there's fucking nothing in the Maritimes now that the fish are gone and most of the industry is shut down There's no immigration issue anywhere in Canada (Or the world, sorry guys) [editline]5th January 2014[/editline] He does that every time he opens his stupid racist mouth but he's got the kneejerk support of the populist movement behind him so people still believe he's a credible threat to the established political powers[/QUOTE] I'm not saying there is, I'm merely saying there can be if we're not careful. My example probably wasn't the best but I wanted to point out using the death of the baby boomers as an argument isn't as viable in some parts of the world.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;43431594]Brought to you by Facepunch's Hick-Squad[/QUOTE] #WhiteGenocide

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43431344]And if someone wants to live in a rich area and not work, the expensive housing and their expenditures should be subsidised by everyone else, because that's their decision and it's only fair! And if someone wants to buy expensive clothing with their benefits money, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol every night, that's also fine, it's their choice after all and has to be respected![/QUOTE] this doesn't happen. you're living in a fantasy world you've created to justify your bigotry

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43431726]this doesn't happen. you're living in a fantasy world you've created to justify your bigotry[/QUOTE] As stupid as he is you can't say it doesn't happen. There will always be something to prove someone right. Somewhere there is an immigrant family taking advantage of the British public service system. To say it's widespread, or dangerous in any way, however, is laughable and there's a good chance the person saying it is a big fan of the Daily Mail

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43431048]Which parts?[/QUOTE] the parts where people try to say that all of the terrible things western european empires have done, which have created this modern world, are a-okay because some muslims did it like 600 years ago whether it's right or wrong or not, it's totally irrelevant

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43431487]Nationalism is really dumb.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Nationalism is the concept of a person identifying themselves with their respective nation and its national identity. That's all it is. How they choose to identify themselves with it is entirely up to them. And there's no shortage of different opinions on this. Some base it off ethnicity and race ([i]that's[/i] stupid), some base it off cultural and linguistical characteristics, legal allegiance (as in citizenship), etc.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43431744]As stupid as he is you can't say it doesn't happen. There will always be something to prove someone right. Somewhere there is an immigrant family taking advantage of the British public service system.[/QUOTE] yeh and for every one of those immigrants, a thousand white families are doing exactly the same thing (but even that is an exaggeration because everyone knows that benefit cheating is majorly overblown by the daily mail) [quote]To say it's widespread, or dangerous in any way, however, is laughable and there's a good chance the person saying it is a big fan of the Daily Mail[/quote] yeh basically this

i'm still laughing at someone proudly stating they are an islamophobe because of islamic conquests in the fucking middle ages [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;43431344]Everyone should have the right to go anywhere they like, and who cares if they don't want to work! Everyone else should be willing to support them and respect them for making that choice! And if someone wants to live in a rich area and not work, the expensive housing and their expenditures should be subsidised by everyone else, because that's their decision and it's only fair! And if someone wants to buy expensive clothing with their benefits money, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol every night, that's also fine, it's their choice after all and has to be respected![/QUOTE] the only thing FPers hate more than muslims is poor people

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43431749]No it isn't. Nationalism is the concept of a person identifying themselves with their respective nation and its national identity. That's all it is. How they choose to identify themselves with it is entirely up to them. And there's no shortage of different opinions on this. Some base it off ethnicity and race ([i]that's[/i] stupid), some base it off cultural and linguistical characteristics, legal allegiance (as in citizenship), etc.[/QUOTE] Sorry. But nationalists are dated idiots. and if you're a nationalist, I'd gladly call you one too.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43431778]i'm still laughing at someone proudly stating they are an islamophobe because of islamic conquests in the fucking middle ages[/QUOTE] Chances are they get really whingy when Social Justice Warriors™ bring up slavery in the US in reference to modern race relations The one that happened longer ago is worse because it happened to white people

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43431825]Chances are they get really whingy when Social Justice Warriors™ bring up slavery in the US in reference to modern race relations The one that happened longer ago is worse because it happened to white people[/QUOTE] #WhiteGenocide

Anti-racist is a codeword for Anti-White

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43431749]No it isn't. Nationalism is the concept of a person identifying themselves with their respective nation and its national identity. That's all it is. How they choose to identify themselves with it is entirely up to them. And there's no shortage of different opinions on this. Some base it off ethnicity and race ([i]that's[/i] stupid), some base it off cultural and linguistical characteristics, legal allegiance (as in citizenship), etc.[/QUOTE] Nationalism is a 18th century invention that still lingers around. It's shallow, artificial and toxic.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43431798]Sorry. But nationalists are dated idiots. and if you're a nationalist, I'd gladly call you one too.[/QUOTE] Nah. Nationalism's alive and well. It's just that tons of people like you have no idea what it is and are completely unawares of how it continues to impact our lives. Which doesn't surprise me; Facepunch has demonstrated plenty of times in the past it has no idea what nationalism is exactly. Civic/liberal nationalism is what drives modernized nations in the western hemisphere today actually, centered around the idea that we should strive to create a free society that values individual rights, tolerance, equality, etc. Ethnic/racial nationalism and ultranationalism, which used to be popular in the west, are for the most part dead. Certainly dated because of the xenophobia, which isn't of course really an appealing political characteristic anymore, but not entirely dead. You have parties and movements that still cling to their conceptual points.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;43431860]Nationalism is a 18th century invention that still lingers around. It's shallow, artificial and toxic.[/QUOTE] when you cut the head off from a nationalist you absorb his cultural heritage ITS THE QUICKENING

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43431746][B]the parts where people try to say that all of the terrible things western european empires have done, which have created this modern world, are a-okay because some muslims did it like 600 years ago[/B] whether it's right or wrong or not, it's totally irrelevant[/QUOTE] That's actually irrelevant as well. I wasn't asking for their political agenda, I was questioning DaysBefore's statement that their historical examples were "hilariously inaccurate." Besides, it's not "some 600 years ago" thing anyway, the Arab slave trade is still going strong. [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2010401.stm"]Hell, 20% of Mauritania's population is slaves.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43431778]i'm still laughing at someone proudly stating they are an islamophobe because of islamic conquests in the fucking middle ages [/QUOTE] Yup, and that's where the true face of many posters appeared. Talking about limiting or even limiting immigration isn't something weird at all in my opinion. But when you look at this thread and see the discussion about slavery and Islam you just know that it's about something else than just immigration. Edit: You see them constantly trying to slither away as if they're afraid about voicing their real opinion. Fucking cowards.

[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;43431879]Nah. Nationalism's alive and well. It's just that tons of people like you have no idea what it is and are completely unawares of how it continues to impact our lives. Which doesn't surprise me; Facepunch has demonstrated plenty of times in the past it has no idea what nationalism is exactly. Civic/liberal nationalism is what drives modernized nations in the western hemisphere today actually, centered around the idea that we should strive to create a free society that values individual rights, tolerance, equality, etc.[/QUOTE] lmao