Four Chicago teens in custody after livestreaming kidnap and torture of disabled person
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[QUOTE=Svinnik;51628905]One of the torturers posted on FB from her holding cell
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not a very smart woman[/QUOTE]
I can only imagine those comments. All nice and civil I'm sure.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51628905]One of the torturers posted on FB from her holding cell
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/4sgknfumvx7y.png[/IMG]
not a very smart woman[/QUOTE]
something tells me she won't be this smug at the sentencing
probably something closer this mugshot:
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Tough bitch until the consequences start rolling around.
I have an elder brother with autism. I would be horrified if someone did anything akin to this to him. I'd want those who did it locked up and I'd do whatever I could to help my brother.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51628932]something tells me she won't be this smug at the sentencing
probably something closer this mugshot:
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Wrong girl, that one is Tanisha Covington. Might be one of her previous arrests though.
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They look like very enlightened individuals.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51624122]
But are you really going to say that politics and Trump hate had nothing to do with it?[/QUOTE]
Yes because you don't throw basic fucking empathy for other human beings out the window because your candidate didn't win.
A disabled guy got kidnapped and tortured while his suffering was streamed live. How fucking thick headed to you have to be to think that a bunch of blatant fucking sociopaths who went out and tortured somebody [I]really[/I] did it because of Trump? They did it because they're fucking sociopaths, and "fuck Trump" is just an excuse.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;51628985]Yes because you don't throw basic fucking empathy for other human beings out the window because your candidate didn't win.[/QUOTE]
Way to be late to the party. Not even sure what your point is.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51628905]One of the torturers posted on FB from her holding cell
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/4sgknfumvx7y.png[/IMG]
not a very smart woman[/QUOTE]
I'm sure this will go over well with a jury.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51628995]I'm sure this will go over with a jury.[/QUOTE]
There's a chance they may not care. If this really is politically motivated they may see themselves as martyrs.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;51628985]"fuck Trump" is just an excuse.[/QUOTE]
realistically it was more just some seasoning on top of a flaming pile of shit
cheap reasonings for dumb people to find a target and harass them
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51629033]There's a chance they may not care. If this really is politically motivated they may see themselves as martyrs.[/QUOTE]
For torturing a white kid with autism?
Then again... these days, it wouldn't surprise me if you're right. Sadly.
as someone with a disabled sibling i would fucking hunt down anyone who would do this to my sibling and cap their damn knees and leave them in the streets if i could
there's no rehabilitating these people
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;51628985]Yes because you don't throw basic fucking empathy for other human beings out the window because your candidate didn't win.
A disabled guy got kidnapped and tortured while his suffering was streamed live. How fucking thick headed to you have to be to think that a bunch of blatant fucking sociopaths who went out and tortured somebody [I]really[/I] did it because of Trump? They did it because they're fucking sociopaths, and "fuck Trump" is just an excuse.[/QUOTE]
At what point does some dickheads torturing someone, saying fuck white people and fuck trump, go from being just a bunch of sociopaths to their attack being politically motivated? Or is there no such point?
What exactly do you need to understand that this was a politically/race motivated hate crime? Clinton campaign posters all over the video?
[QUOTE=Araknid;51629179]At what point does some dickheads torturing someone, saying fuck white people and fuck trump, go from being just a bunch of sociopaths to their attack being politically motivated? Or is there no such point?
What exactly do you need to understand that this was a politically/race motivated hate crime? Clinton campaign posters all over the video?[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the thing. How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you a mind reader? Is anyone here really, honestly capable of being in their shoes and knowing their motives? No, so to speak for their motives like you do is a bit of a step IMO.
I think it's pretty clear we're all absolutely condemning this action, is it unreasonable to assume that we don't know everything though?
You guys sitting on the fence on what the motive was are needlessly pussyfooting. When otherwise I have seen most of yall go full accusations on stories/motives that lacked any proof that they even happened.
This event should be unifyling obvious that this was a hate crime with political and racial motivations. Something that shows how both sides can damaged by polarization when one side views only the extreme in the other and thus can feel justified for doing this.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51629246]You guys sitting on the fence on what the motive was are needlessly pussyfooting. When otherwise I have seen most of yall go full accusations on stories/motives that lacked any proof that they even happened.
This event should be unifyling obvious that this was a hate crime with political and racial motivations. Something that shows how both sides can damaged by polarization when one side views only the extreme in the other and thus can feel justified for doing this.[/QUOTE]
you un-ironically call yourself a shill in other threads and you're telling us we're the problem of "unification"? Are you for real dude?
It's a hate crime, I never said it wasn't, so it's pretty hilarious for you to say shit for me, and then say "You don't want to unify!". For real dude.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51628905]One of the torturers posted on FB from her holding cell
[IMG]https://i.redd.it/4sgknfumvx7y.png[/IMG]
not a very smart woman[/QUOTE]
I genuinely don't understand how someone can do something so revolting and still act like this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51629229]That's exactly the thing. How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you a mind reader? Is anyone here really, honestly capable of being in their shoes and knowing their motives? No, so to speak for their motives like you do is a bit of a step IMO.
I think it's pretty clear we're all absolutely condemning this action, is it unreasonable to assume that we don't know everything though?[/QUOTE]
This is a debate that could be had for virtually any hate crime case. Did that white guy use a racial slur before curb stomping a black guy because he was motivated by hate, or because he just wanted to sound intimidating? Did a group of kids who chanted "fuck white people" and "fuck Trump" do it because they thought it sounded like a nice nursery rhyme, or because they don't like white people or Donald Trump? Every reasonable indication points to this being a hate crime by the most basic evidence possible. The only other evidence for this being a hate crime you could ask for is a hand-written manifesto stating their motivations in plain English, but I don't think these mongoloids can even read/write so we'll just have to settle for the video evidence.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51629246]
This event should be unifyling obvious that this was a hate crime with political and racial motivations. Something that shows how both sides can damaged by polarization when one side views only the extreme in the other and thus can feel justified for doing this.[/QUOTE]
How does it show both sides being damaged by polarization? Looks pretty one sided to me.
[QUOTE=srobins;51629266]This is a debate that could be had for virtually any hate crime case. Did that white guy use a racial slur before curb stomping a black guy because he was motivated by hate, or because he just wanted to sound intimidating? Did a group of kids who chanted "fuck white people" and "fuck Trump" do it because they thought it sounded like a nice nursery rhyme, or because they don't like white people or Donald Trump? Every reasonable indication points to this being a hate crime by the most basic evidence possible. The only other evidence for this being a hate crime you could ask for is a hand-written manifesto stating their motivations in plain English, but I don't think these mongoloids can even read/write so we'll just have to settle for the video evidence.[/QUOTE]
As I said, it's a hate crime. I'm not debating that.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51629268]How does it show both sides being damaged by polarization? Looks pretty one sided to me.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't at all.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;51628985]How fucking thick headed to you have to be to think that a bunch of blatant fucking sociopaths who went out and tortured somebody [I]really[/I] did it because of Trump? They did it because they're fucking sociopaths, and "fuck Trump" is just an excuse.[/QUOTE]
Since when is sociopathy and political motivation mutually exclusive? According to you, no extreme act of violence could be considered hate crime...
[QUOTE=Conscript;51629291]It doesn't at all.[/QUOTE]
They were yelling Fuck Trump and fuck white people. It seems pretty one sided.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51629330]They were yelling Fuck Trump and fuck white people. It seems pretty one sided.[/QUOTE]
The point was for this political atmosphere in general. Not this specific event.
It's a event that clearly shows the Anti-Trump side can be vicious as well. The unifying part is that maybe a event like this should get people to realize polarization is getting to outstanding levels.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51629229]That's exactly the thing. How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you a mind reader? Is anyone here really, honestly capable of being in their shoes and knowing their motives? No, so to speak for their motives like you do is a bit of a step IMO.
I think it's pretty clear we're all absolutely condemning this action, is it unreasonable to assume that we don't know everything though?[/QUOTE]
Person A attacks a random disabled black person, kidnaps him, and livestream himself torturing the black guy while yelling fuck black people and fuck Clinton
by your logic, this isnt a racist attack. The black man was kidnapped and yelled at for his skin color but that's not racist because we don't know that he was only kidnapped for his skin color.
It's honestly sickening how much you patronize black people by not holding them to the same standard as white people. Imagine the situation reversed and then ask yourself if you would call it a racist attack. It's racist because his race was explicitly stated as one of the reasons he was kidnapped.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51629370]The point was for this political atmosphere in general. Not this specific event.
It's a event that clearly shows the Anti-Trump side can be vicious as well. The unifying part is that maybe a event like this should get people to realize polarization is getting to outstanding levels.[/QUOTE]
Yes. It clearly is.
Do you honestly think you are entirely guiltless in this? Do you honestly think the right is guiltless in this context? I will readily admit my stance and attitude during the election wasn't helpful, will you? Will any of the Pro Trump people, like Fat White Lump, or yourself, or PVT Martin, admit your stances weren't helpful in the same way? Or would I be alone in doing that?
[editline]5th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51629376]Person A attacks a random disabled black person, kidnaps him, and livestream himself torturing the black guy while yelling fuck black people and fuck Clinton
by your logic, this isnt a racist attack. The black man was kidnapped and yelled at for his skin color but that's not racist because we don't know that he was only kidnapped for his skin color.
It's honestly sickening how much you patronize black people by not holding them to the same standard as white people. Imagine the situation reversed and then ask yourself if you would call it a racist attack. It's racist because his race was explicitly stated as one of the reasons he was kidnapped.[/QUOTE]
I literally called it a hate crime so how about you, you know, not jump the gun
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51629271]As I said, it's a hate crime. I'm not debating that.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I didn't really mean to go at you, just that there seems to be a lot of back in forth in the thread and that seemed like a good jumping off point. My bad.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51629381]
I literally called it a hate crime so how about you, you know, not jump the gun[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss]That's exactly the thing. How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you a mind reader? Is anyone here really, honestly capable of being in their shoes and knowing their motives? No, so to speak for their motives like you do is a bit of a step IMO.
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You said that assuming their motive is racially/politically motivated is a "bit of a step". That's absolutely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51629402]You said that assuming their motive is racially/politically motivated is a "bit of a step". That's absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I will not put myself in a position where I claim to know with certainty why they did what they did. If that offends you, so fucking be it.
I think it's a hate crime. I think they should be prosecuted harshly. Yet, you would say with absolute fucking certainty, to know [B]my[/B] motivations, and that the only possible reason is that i'm "patronizing" black people.
You know, there's a saying about assumptions. Maybe you've heard it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51629416]I will not put myself in a position where I claim to know with certainty why they did what they did. If that offends you, so fucking be it.
I think it's a hate crime. I think they should be prosecuted harshly. Yet, you would say with absolute fucking certainty, to know [B]my[/B] motivations, and that the only possible reason is that i'm "patronizing" black people.
You know, there's a saying about assumptions. Maybe you've heard it.[/QUOTE]
So if someone carries out a racist attack while screaming racist things, you can't assume their motive is racism?
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