• Four Chicago teens in custody after livestreaming kidnap and torture of disabled person
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Anything less than the maximum sentence would be a miscarriage of the law. Such brazen examples of brutality need to be punished harshly.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51805792]UPDATE The teens have pleaded Not guilty in court. This will be an interesting legal case now. [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-facebook-live-attack-court-met-0211-20170210-story.html[/url][/QUOTE] what legal counsel would advise pleading not guilty with all the video available, doesn't pleading guilty tend to carry a bit less punishment than 'not guilty' if you're found guilty? [editline]e[/editline] yeah plea bargains
[QUOTE=dai;51806408]what legal counsel would advise pleading not guilty with all the video available, doesn't pleading guilty tend to carry a bit less punishment than 'not guilty' if you're found guilty?[/QUOTE] Could be possible that the prosecution didn't even seek a plea bargain given how clear the evidence is.
[QUOTE=dai;51806408]what legal counsel would advise pleading not guilty with all the video available, doesn't pleading guilty tend to carry a bit less punishment than 'not guilty' if you're found guilty?[/QUOTE] No. There is no statutory difference between pleading Guilty or Not Guilty. Typically however, a non-binding agreement is made with the prosecution prior to pleading Guilty, (Plea Bargain) that states that the prosecution will not seek the maximum statutory punishment (ie. a crime with a 30 year maximum sentence is plea bargained down to 15 years.) However, again, plea bargains are not binding, and typically will not be offered for particularly heinous or publicly notorious cases. After all, it would be especially injurious to a prosecutor's reputation if they offered a plea bargain in a particularly cut-and-dry case. A person can of course plead Guilty without a plea bargain, if they feel their defense would be impossible or if they feel they deserve to be punished, however this is what is known as, 'putting oneself at the mercy of the court,' since then there is no control or defense against what punishment may be handed down.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51806466]Typically however, a non-binding agreement is made with the prosecution prior to pleading Guilty, (Plea Bargain) that states that the prosecution will not seek the maximum statutory punishment (ie. a crime with a 30 year maximum sentence is plea bargained down to 15 years.)[/QUOTE] yeah that's what I was thinking of. Not exactly 'less punishment' so much as 'not potentially more for making it difficult and wasting our time'
[QUOTE=dai;51806408]what legal counsel would advise pleading not guilty with all the video available, doesn't pleading guilty tend to carry a bit less punishment than 'not guilty' if you're found guilty? [editline]e[/editline] yeah plea bargains[/QUOTE] Plea bargains are disgusting and subvert the justice system.
[QUOTE=download;51806702]Plea bargains are disgusting and subvert the justice system.[/QUOTE] If we didn't have plea-bargaining, the justice system would grind to a halt, and people would wait years to hear verdicts on simple, minor cases. It's simple logistic necessity.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51806797]If we didn't have plea-bargaining, the justice system would grind to a halt, and people would wait years to hear verdicts on simple, minor cases. It's simple logistic necessity.[/QUOTE] Maybe for minor cases, but it shouldn't be done with serious crimes. It encourages not-guilty people to plead guilty and allows serious offenders to reduce their sentences.
[QUOTE=download;51806833]Maybe for minor cases, but it shouldn't be done with serious crimes. It encourages not-guilty people to plead guilty and allows serious offenders to reduce their sentences.[/QUOTE] They don't appear to have been given that option in this case, thankfully.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51806843]They don't appear to have been given that option in this case, thankfully.[/QUOTE] That, or they're so stupid they actually think they'll win the case.
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