• Four Chicago teens in custody after livestreaming kidnap and torture of disabled person
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[QUOTE=bitches;51624266]sure but if you adhere to that conclusion, then you support the claim that recent politics caused them to enjoy torturing other humans[/QUOTE] The election didn't cause the enjoyment, but it influenced the act.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;51624272]The election didn't cause the enjoyment, but it influenced the act.[/QUOTE] so people that actively enjoy torturing others would more likely have not found a victim if not for the election, despite their simplistic victim-choosing process ending at the excuse that "white = trump"?
[QUOTE=bitches;51624280]so people that actively enjoy torturing others would more likely have not found a victim if not for the election, despite their simplistic victim-choosing process ending at the excuse that "white = trump"?[/QUOTE] You're going in circles here.
[QUOTE=bitches;51624266]sure but if you adhere to that conclusion, then you support the claim that recent politics caused them to enjoy torturing other humans[/QUOTE] I do because that's what their reasons are. If there is evidence to suggest these people were interested in torturing prior to the election then I will believe it.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;51624292]I do because that's what their reasons are. If there is evidence to suggest these people were interested in torturing prior to the election then I will believe it.[/QUOTE] would you mind explaining in what way recent politics can cause the enjoyment of torture?
Yeah these kids can get fucked as far as I'm concerned there's no excuse for this shit, regardless of your skin pigment.
[quote]There is no overwelming evidence. This attack was taken entirely out of context. Nothing in either of the videos linked in OP seems to indicate that the attack was politically motivated. I think racially motivated is a pretty reasonable assumption to make. [/QUOTE] Did you go deaf and blind during the part where they scream, "Fuck Trump." and the other rambling shit they said in the second video about Trump? Or the not see the Facebook post by one of the people that said "Up like Trump lmao."? Come on mate, I know you are smarter than to ignore that.
I'm glad these disgusting people were arrested. They should be trialed for a lot more than they are. Utterly disgusting. This type of shit right here, would make me go out to get my CC license and a weapon to protect myself just because I am white.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;51624292]I do because that's what their reasons are. If there is evidence to suggest these people were interested in torturing prior to the election then I will believe it.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone has proven beyond doubt that this was a politically motivated attack.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51624312]I don't think anyone has proven beyond doubt that this was a politically motivated attack.[/QUOTE] Really? Because I'd go so far as to call it domestic terrorism.
Honestly, this is the kind of shit that'll get you skimmed in prison. Considering the situation was more-or-less a racist crime, I wouldn't be shocked if some WN group stalks them like a bunch of avid deerhunters.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51624312]I don't think anyone has proven beyond doubt that this was a politically motivated attack.[/QUOTE] Oh my god dude. Did you watch the videos on mute?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51624304]Did you go deaf and blind during the part where they scream, "Fuck Trump." and the other rambling shit they said in the second video about Trump? Or the not see the Facebook post by one of the people that said "Up like Trump lmao."? Come on mate, I know you are smarter than to ignore that.[/QUOTE] They could have attacked him for being white and shouted "Fuck Trump" because he was white and they assumed he voted for Trump. That's not a motivation. Theres nothing that stops me from being kidnapped and assaulted and during the assault invoking Trump.
[QUOTE=bitches;51624170]can you propose any means by which these criminals determined that the disabled man was a trump supporter? if not, then there is no reason to believe that they honestly believed their excuse and as such it is not the real motive [editline]a[/editline] trying to change the subject to one of supposed hypocrisy is evading the argument[/QUOTE] I'm inclined to agree, but even if their political violence was catastrophically misdirected, it wouldn't be any less of a "real" motive or less political, would it?
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51624318]Really? Because I'd go so far as to call it domestic terrorism.[/QUOTE] Of course you would. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51624323]Oh my god dude. Did you watch the videos on mute?[/QUOTE] Nope.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51624333]I'm inclined to agree, but even if their violence was catastrophically misdirected, it wouldn't be any less of a "real" motive, would it?[/QUOTE] a motive as transient as fabricated political assumption would just as easily have been anything else, as it is nothing but an excuse for their enjoyment of torture once again, that is unless someone cares to explain how recent politics foster the enjoyment of torture
This seemed more like racism than anything political to me. The Trump remarks were only made because the guy was white. I hope these people are charged with torture, kidnapping, and hate crime
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;51624138]Looks like electing a racist, bigoted, xenophobic demagogue didn't sit too well with minorities. Who would have thought? Not that these clowns are justified in any way, shape, or form. This guy probably didn't even vote for Trump.[/QUOTE] You just justified their fucking act, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed to say the least.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51624248]Don't deflect. I want to know what "sheds bad light on the left side" means in this context. There is no overwelming evidence. This attack was taken entirely out of context. Nothing in either of the videos linked in OP seems to indicate that the attack was politically motivated. I think racially motivated is a pretty reasonable assumption to make. I don't think you are being any more or less intellectually honest than most of the other posters thus far.[/QUOTE] How do you go through mental gymnastics like this, I am fucking baffled. People who were anti trump post everything they can to show that trump voters are racist violent idiots that widely turn out to be false, but when somebody shows anti trump shit that is VIDEO EVIDENCE its apparently out of context and not really political.
What has Trump done against African Americans? Is it that he's hard on crime? I really don't know. I have doubts he "hates niggers"
What it is is a hate crime based on race and aggravated by the US election. It has an undeniable political backdrop but the people themselves were most likely demented even before, just like the extremists on the right-wing. Neither are representations of the general attitude of their political side but both are undeniably part of it.
[QUOTE=dillspears;51624359]What has Trump done against African Americans? Is it that he's hard on crime? I really don't know. I have doubts he "hates niggers"[/QUOTE] Apparently all of his supporters are Nazi's who hate blacks, gays, trans, women. At least, that's what the media says, and what Reddit says, and a bunch of other left leaning sites say. As much as I disagree with Trump on certain points, no one, absolutely no one deserves this type of shit unless they want to start chaos. Which it certainly seems like they want to do.
they did it cause they're not right in the fucking head, saying its politics or otherwise is them trying to justify KIDNAPPING someone. You can't justify that
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51624325]They could have attacked him for being white and shouted "Fuck Trump" because he was white and they assumed he voted for Trump. [B]That's not a motivation.[/B] Theres nothing that stops me from being kidnapped and assaulted and during the assault invoking Trump.[/QUOTE] Those 4 bastard children sure as hell seemed motivated enough to grab some white guy because of Trump winning. Just sayin.
[QUOTE=IAmIchigo;51624358]How do you go through mental gymnastics like this, I am fucking baffled. People who were anti trump post everything they can to show that trump voters are racist violent idiots that widely turn out to be false, but when somebody shows anti trump shit that is VIDEO EVIDENCE its apparently out of context and not really political.[/QUOTE] I went out of my way once to say that most Trump supporters I've met aren't racist and are obviously not violent so I don't know who you are talking to. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Gubbinz96;51624404]Those 4 bastard children seemed sure as hell seemed motivated enough to grab some white guy because of Trump winning. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] So you don't think this would have happened if Trump hadn't won?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51624409] So you don't think this would have happened if Trump hadn't won?[/QUOTE] Well. Honestly. No. I don't think we'd have seen videos of black kids getting kidnapped and their white tormentors live-streaming it on Facebook.
This is going to be considered a hate crime right
Here is a reupload of the second video. Warning: Extremely disturbing like the first one. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAkmBOXETiA[/media]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;51624404]Those 4 bastard children sure as hell seemed motivated enough to grab some white guy because of Trump winning. Just sayin.[/QUOTE] So you think Trump winning is what caused them to revel in the act of torture?
[QUOTE=bitches;51624444]So you think Trump winning is what caused them to revel in the act of torture?[/QUOTE] Political self righteousness probably caused them to feel okay with acts of violence, yea. Wouldn't be the first time in history
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