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[QUOTE=Thlis;51625106]I really disagree with that. First, because I don't really identify with the right that much. Both sides in terms of politics just seem fucked to me.[/QUOTE] You say this but your prior posts paint a rather partisan picture. [QUOTE=Thlis;51625106][B]Second because again, if the roles were reversed the reaction would be completely different.[/B][/QUOTE] When you say this, are you talking about this specific attack? Because I don't think its a very good example of leftist violence.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625121]When you say this, are you talking about this specific attack? Because I don't think its a very good example of leftist violence.[/QUOTE] No shit he's talking about this video. If the attackers were white and the victim black, the media firestorm would be absurd.
What awful people.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625121]You say this but your prior posts paint a rather partisan picture. [/QUOTE] Because I don't really post in response to the little good news there is. I think there are severe problems with immigration right now, but that doesn't mean that I am a right winger that hates porn and loves Christ or that I think that regulations are satanic. If you are going to bring up things like the thread on the Aboriginal man getting a light sentence then isn't that a glaring issue with our politics right now? That talking about black on white violence is a right winger discussion and that talking about white on black violence is a left winger discussion? It is racism either way and must be dealt with. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51625121] When you say this, are you talking about this specific attack? Because I don't think its a very good example of leftist violence.[/QUOTE] I can't help but feel the poop swastika will have generated more discussion of racist violence than this incident. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51625157]And I never meant to imply you were, it just seems like you cast a much more critical eye on the left than the right, which may lead you to believe people on the left are more forgiving of partisan violence than people on the right.?[/QUOTE] Usually there isn't really much to add to a discussion like "Guy shoots up church because he is a racist cunt" because even if there was a post supporting it they would be banned on the spot. With something like "Protest burns historical art because white people made them" you will usually get more opinions.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51625048]I think this is a better way to put it considering how some people are willing to bend over backwards in order to ignore the situation here. The right and left obviously have dangerous elements, but it seems people are a lot more lenient on the left than the right.[/QUOTE] the big problem nobody's acknowledging is the context of where the right and left oriented extremes are, and how that balance entirely dictates why there's more examples of people lashing out on the left/anti-trump side of things right now. Trump and his supporters won the electoral fight and are just kicking back in the afterglow, what would they get protesty over? I wonder if anybody remembers the threats from groups and some [url=https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/791369493809201152]people with prominent political backgrounds and media outreach[/url] goading on the idea of taking up arms and striking up a revolution if trump had lost the election, or the time trump was "just wondering" if gun owners could use their second amendment rights to "stop" Hillary to end the threat of her getting the presidency. Surely the right is far less violent, and anything of that nature, carried out by a small pack of friends or even reaching larger movements wouldn't have been as bad as single instances of shitty gang activity in the heaviest crime riddled area of a major city
Is there any right wing example of something comparable to the BLM riots?
How about 'the U.S. is currently in a state where political violence is being encouraged by fringe media and extremists and we need politicians and other public figures to step up and take the initiative on bridging the massive partisan divide, and bring a clamp down on extremist media outlets'. (Also shout out to Tudd for being the coolest Trump supporter on Facepunch right now.)
[QUOTE=Thlis;51625134]Because I don't really post in response to the little good news there is. I think there are severe problems with immigration right now, but that doesn't mean that I am a right winger that hates porn and loves Christ or that I think that regulations are satanic.[/QUOTE] And I never meant to imply you were, it just seems like you cast a much more critical eye on the left than the right, which may lead you to believe people on the left are more forgiving of partisan violence than people on the right. [QUOTE=Thlis;51625134]If you are going to bring up things like the thread on the Aboriginal man getting a light sentence then isn't that a glaring issue with our politics right now? That talking about black on white violence is a right winger discussion and that talking about white on black violence is a left winger discussion? It is racism either way and must be dealt with.[/QUOTE] I don't even know what thread you are referencing and I agree that these things shouldn't be seen through a partisan lens, which is why I was confused why Tudd said that this story was news that painted the left in a bad light. [QUOTE=Thlis;51625134]I can't help but feel the poop swastika will have generated more discussion of racist violence than this incident.[/QUOTE] Wrong, fortunately. The story is being carried by every MSM outlet, is trending on Twitter, and top of Reddit news. [QUOTE=sgman91;51625144]Is there any right wing example of something comparable to the BLM riots?[/QUOTE] How do BLM riots indict the left and prove that the left is inherently more violent than the right?
[QUOTE=1239the;51625151]How about 'the U.S. is currently in a state where political violence is being encouraged by fringe media and extremists and we need politicians and other public figures to step up and take the initiative on bridging the massive partisan divide, and bring a clamp down on extremist media outlets'.[/QUOTE] This isn't true at all.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625157]How do BLM riots indict the left and prove that the left is inherently more violent than the right?[/QUOTE] I think it's fairly clear that those riots were based on left wing ideology and justified by left wing speakers. For example, you have people like DeRay Mckesson, a nationally recognized leader of BLM who's said that the BLM violence is legitimate, was invited to the white house by president Obama. Obama praised him for his "outstanding work." ([url]http://uproxx.com/news/deray-mckesson-interview-black-lives-matter/3/[/url] - interview where he allows for violence, final answer) ([url]http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-after-white-house-meeting-president-obama-praises-mayoral-candidate-deray-mckesson-s-outstanding-wor-20160218-story.html[/url] - article about Obama praising him)
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51625171]This isn't true at all.[/QUOTE] Isn't there a pretty big issue with partisanship in the US? Admittedly "clamping down" on any media outlets has potential for bad consequences.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51625176]I think it's fairly clear that those riots were based on left wing ideology and justified by left wing speakers. For example, you have people like DeRay Mckesson, a nationally recognized leader of BLM who's said that the BLM violence is legitimate, was invited to the white house by president Obama. Obama praised him for his "outstanding work." ([URL]http://uproxx.com/news/deray-mckesson-interview-black-lives-matter/3/[/URL] - interview where he allows for violence, final answer) ([URL]http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-after-white-house-meeting-president-obama-praises-mayoral-candidate-deray-mckesson-s-outstanding-wor-20160218-story.html[/URL] - article about Obama praising him)[/QUOTE] I'd imagine if you just want to push the "BLM is leftist and BLM is violent ergo leftism is more violent than rightism" you could just link their list of demands from awhile back which makes their agenda plainly evident. I wasn't arguing that they don't lean left, because I know they do. I was asking how that makes the left more violent than the right.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625190]I'd imagine if you just want to push the "BLM is leftist and BLM is violent ergo leftism is more violent than rightism" you could just link their list of demands from awhile back which makes their agenda plainly evident. I wasn't arguing that they don't lean left, because I know they do. I was asking how that makes the left more violent than the right.[/QUOTE] It's an example of something generally excused for by the left that has no precedent on the right that I can think of.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51625176] For example, you have people like DeRay Mckesson, a nationally recognized leader of BLM who's said that the BLM violence is legitimate, was invited to the white house by president Obama. Obama praised him for his "outstanding work." ([url]http://uproxx.com/news/deray-mckesson-interview-black-lives-matter/3/[/url] - interview where he allows for violence, final answer) ([url]http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-after-white-house-meeting-president-obama-praises-mayoral-candidate-deray-mckesson-s-outstanding-wor-20160218-story.html[/url] - article about Obama praising him)[/QUOTE] I don't support BLM at all but I gotta say that interview that shows him "allowing for violence" is the weakest allowance I've ever seen. [editline]4th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;51625195]It's an example of something generally excused for by the left that has no precedent on the right that I can think of.[/QUOTE] What if you were someone on the left who disagrees with BLM? Does that make you more inherently violent than someone on the right?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625198]I don't support BLM at all but I gotta say that interview that shows him "allowing for violence" is the weakest allowance I've ever seen.[/QUOTE] Yes, he dances around the admission, but it's the only conclusion I can think of. He's allowing for and apologizing for violence because: “People should not have had to have been there in the first place.” He shifts the blame for violence on the police/republicans/etc. for the violence. This is a normative view on the left.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51625186]Isn't there a pretty big issue with partisanship in the US? Admittedly "clamping down" on any media outlets has potential for bad consequences.[/QUOTE] Violence being called for by fringe elements is not a major problem right now. How the mainstream media has been treating Trump/the right is the problem.
Does that dude who shot nine black people in a church count as right wing violence? Just asking.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51625198]What if you were someone on the left who disagrees with BLM? Does that make you more inherently violent than someone on the right?[/QUOTE] I would never argue that each individual on the left is more inherently violent. I know extremely peaceful people on the left and I know extremely violence people on the right. My point would be that leftist ideology excuses for and leads to greater levels of violence, especially on a large scale. It's hard for me to even imagine a full scale political riot in the name of right wing ideology, yet we see it all the time on the left. You had the riots at climate conventions in Europe, you had the BLM riots, there were riots in multiple cities after Trump's election, etc.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51625212]Does that dude who shot nine black people in a church count as right wing violence? Just asking.[/QUOTE] Yes.
How do you even treat other human beings like this?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51625212]Does that dude who shot nine black people in a church count as right wing violence? Just asking.[/QUOTE] I don't hold racism to a be a right wing ideology (There is plenty of racism on the left as well). So no. The right wing also totally separated themselves and decried the attack as horrible. Like I said, though. I would never deny that the right wing had violent people and that violence has been done in the name of right wing ideologies. When riots happen, the initial assumption is that they're left wing riots. That just seems to be the way it works.
Don't forget there are even users on here that basically think every Trump supporter is a unrelenting nazi you can't deal with. Not going to name them, but painting Trump as a Hitler 2.0 has really made some people equate his supporters to being such terrible things. Just not healthy for either side to extremity the other.
I don't think being anti-trump immediately makes you a leftist.
[QUOTE=Aw3s0m3n3ss;51625219]How do you even treat other human beings like this?[/QUOTE] Oh that's an easy one. The easiest question brought up in this thread so far. Dehumanization.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;51625247]Why did he post #BLMKidnapping This is why everyone's always spreading fake news and shit like god damn.[/QUOTE] The dude in the video didn't even say "kids being kids." Literally all he said was "it's just stupidity."
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51625251]Individual acts comitted by people shouldnt determine whether or not a rhetoric is violent. I am specifically talking about rhetoric because dumb labels like "left" and "right" just deserve to be ignored. You should look into the rhetoric and judge whether or not it calls for violence, or condones it, or may cause it in general. "The Left" isnt violent. "The Right" isnt violent. Stop this line of discussion please. -- Riots arent really political. I can say "when riots happen, I just assume them to be black" and I would be right. Coincidentally, majority of poorer blacks vote Democrat. All correlation. Riots happen due to a multitude of reasons, and you dont get to judge half the country based on singular actions like OP. (You can get to judge supporters based on candidate though, before you go "whatabout peepl judging Trump supporters".) The finger-pointing outrage here presented by people, well, outraged at this crime, is perpetuating a retarded partisan divide. [editline]5th January 2017[/editline] Save yourself from reading the tweet text, Mike Cernovich is a legitimate idiot[/QUOTE] There's a reason I've pointed to the excusing and justifying of riots, not just the riots themselves.
Give them the death penalty. Yes it costs more and every other reason not to do it. Give them the death penalty.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51625273]So you acknowledge the only reason for it is revenge, and still push forward?[/QUOTE] Why have standards as a society when your tiny lizard brain wants blood?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51625273]So you acknowledge the only reason for it is revenge, and still push forward?[/QUOTE] No, because they never deserve freedom again. Not even a chance. 0.0000001% they escape from prison is too much. I'm not going to debate this, its how I feel currently in the moment after watching the disgusting footage.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51625264]Give them the death penalty. Yes it costs more and every other reason not to do it. Give them the death penalty.[/QUOTE] Bit of an overreaction
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