Brussels bombers DID plan to attack nuclear power station
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I don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here.
Suicide bombing a nuclear power plant isn't the primary objective. A different power plant would be easier to attack infrastructure wise, and not as many people can be killed at a power plant when compared to what they actually attacked, public transport.
They wanted to get access to nuclear material using the nuclear power plant chief as hostage. They know that the security at NPP is far too strong to try and go in undetected or bumrush into the plant. If denied access they would blow themselves up (and the chief) at the plant.
TL;DR They wanted material for a dirty bomb. They can't make nukes because the material isn't enriched enough and they don't have enrichment capabilities.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49998859]I don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here.
Suicide bombing a nuclear power plant isn't the primary objective. A different power plant would be easier to attack infrastructure wise, and not as many people can be killed at a power plant when compared to what they actually attacked, public transport.
They wanted to get access to nuclear material using the nuclear power plant chief as hostage. They know that the security at NPP is far too strong to try and go in undetected or bumrush into the plant. If denied access they would blow themselves up (and the chief) at the plant.
TL;DR They wanted material for a dirty bomb. They can't make nukes because the material isn't enriched enough and they don't have enrichment capabilities.[/QUOTE]
There are easier ways to get nuclear material. Hell there's a great story about an American boy scout who more or less built a dirty bomb from smoke detector materials (he was trying to build a reactor) [url]http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html[/url]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49998859]I don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here.
Suicide bombing a nuclear power plant isn't the primary objective. A different power plant would be easier to attack infrastructure wise, and not as many people can be killed at a power plant when compared to what they actually attacked, public transport.
They wanted to get access to nuclear material using the nuclear power plant chief as hostage. They know that the security at NPP is far too strong to try and go in undetected or bumrush into the plant. If denied access they would blow themselves up (and the chief) at the plant.
TL;DR They wanted material for a dirty bomb. They can't make nukes because the material isn't enriched enough and they don't have enrichment capabilities.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make much sense. Transporting nuclear materials requires very specific equipment, and there's no way you're attacking a nuclear power plant and then simply drive off in one of these:
[t]http://www.advanceuam.com/images/IMG_0530.jpg[/t]
Not very subtle.
[QUOTE=Nerts;49998350]The worst they could do is kill some of the workers and make headlines, really.[/QUOTE]
They could cause structural damage. Certainly won't cause a meltdown, but it would cause the plant to be closed for probably months while repairs are done, putting a strain on the infrastructure.
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;49998215][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507417/Brussels-bombers-DID-plan-attack-nuclear-power-station-police-uncover-12-hours-footage-jihadists-filmed-outside-plant-director-s-home.html[/url][/QUOTE]
To think if they actually carried out the attack on the power plant and managed to reach the core and detonate the bombs,it would result in the deaths of thousands,maybe millions.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49998615]Even just taking out transformers could have a huge impact. If they could destroy enough of them it would cause severe power outages within the area. The economic impact would be pretty big too, since most cities don't just have significant amounts of spare transformers laying around. Chances are they'd have to order them up, to which they cost thousands of dollars a piece, and while they wait for them to arrive local business would suffer significantly due to lack of power.[/QUOTE]
Probably not. The grid is called the grid for a reason - they could just buy energy from somewhere else to make up for the deficit. It would last maybe a few hours at most.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49998859]TL;DR They wanted material for a dirty bomb. They can't make nukes because the material isn't enriched enough and they don't have enrichment capabilities.[/QUOTE]
Strongly doubt that. It would be much easier to [URL="http://hps.org/documents/RDD_report.pdf"]steal or buy the stuff from old Soviet stockpiles[/URL] which has happened quite a few times.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;49998961]To think if they actually carried out the attack on the power plant and managed to reach the core and detonate the bombs,it would result in the deaths of thousands,maybe millions.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;49998991]Probably not. The grid is called the grid for a reason - they could just buy energy from somewhere else to make up for the deficit. It would last maybe a few hours at most.
Strongly doubt that. It would be much easier to [URL="http://hps.org/documents/RDD_report.pdf"]steal or buy the stuff from old Soviet stockpiles[/URL] which has happened quite a few times.
No.[/QUOTE]
Buying energy and being able to send that energy are two different things. If you take out a transformer hub station for a given area you can't just buy energy elsewhere when that's the place that energy has to go through. Hell taking out local neighborhood transformers would be easier and once again you can't just route around them when they are the central point.
[QUOTE=Nerts;49998350]The worst they could do is kill some of the workers and make headlines, really.[/QUOTE]
That's all they'll ever do.
Despite causing grief and fear, their idea will never prevail over the western world.
We might not be able to kill their idea, but they sure as hell can't kill all of us either.
It was pretty easy to do this at the end of the game Hatred
[video=youtube;PunbEq7koEk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PunbEq7koEk[/video]
[QUOTE=Ridge;49998933]They could cause structural damage. Certainly won't cause a meltdown, but it would cause the plant to be closed for probably months while repairs are done, putting a strain on the infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
again, i'm pretty sure stuff vital for the actual production of power i.e stuff actually affecting the reactor would be way way further inside the building
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49999024]Buying energy and being able to send that energy are two different things. If you take out a transformer hub station for a given area you can't just buy energy elsewhere when that's the place that energy has to go through. Hell taking out local neighborhood transformers would be easier and once again you can't just route around them when they are the central point.[/QUOTE]
Good point, I thought you were talking about transformers at the plant itself. I would think they'd want to target something more life-critical though, like water sources. Power outages have an economic loss but don't really have the whole loss-of-life factor that they get off on. I'd imagine people would panic much more over poisoned water supply (or an explosion at a nuclear facility) than an explosion at a power substation.
How's it going, NSA?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49998265]What could they have accomplished if they got inside? I don't know much about nuclear plower plant security measures, but I imagine there are enough fail-safes in place to keep them from causing a catastrophic failure the likes of Fukushima, right?[/QUOTE]
Fukushima wasn't a singular mistake, it was a cascade of avoidable mistakes that created a disaster. Corruption in the regulatory agency* meant even though the plant was warned about flood risk many times, there was no pressure on them to do anything about it. Of course, this meant the generators and backup generators flooded during the tsunami. Without power, the coolant pumps failed and the reactor started to meltdown*. Then when it came time to bring in an external generator to keep the coolant flowing, it the truck they brought in had no way of hooking itself up to the power plant's coolant pumps, the trucks connectors were the wrong type!
Essentially it could have been avoided if corruption didn't allow TEPCO to run an outdated plant with insufficient safety features. Not even bothering to make sure they brought in the right kind of truck is just gross incompetence.
*The corruption I'm talking about is a system in Japan where regulators go work for the industry they regulated after retirement. They serve that industry well during while in the regulatory position, and get rewarded with a juicy job offer.
*A meltdown is exactly what it sounds like: without coolant flowing through the reactor to reduce heat, the nuclear reaction becomes hot to the point where the fuel rods and reactor start melting, which allows radiation to escape.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49998246]Holy crap that is scary.[/QUOTE]
Not really. The chances they would have A: gotten in B: gotten to the reactor core itself C: managed to breach it are so small you'd be more likely to win the powerball three times in a row. The moment they sent in ransom demands specops would converge on both the plant and the terrorists. It would go no further than the front gate if it even got there.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50001132]Not really. The chances they would have A: gotten in B: gotten to the reactor core itself C: managed to breach it are so small you'd be more likely to win the powerball three times in a row. The moment they sent in ransom demands specops would converge on both the plant and the terrorists. It would go no further than the front gate if it even got there.[/QUOTE]
It'd probably be more likely for someone to get attacked by a shark while getting struck by lightning, twice in a row. Than for those guys to actually get anywhere with an attack on a nuclear powerplant, probably why they decided to go with an airport attack instead.
terrorists continue to prove they have no idea how the world around them works
here's a sample from the wikipedia page for the nuclear plant nearest to me:
[quote]The pre-9/11 mandate of the security team was to delay attackers for 17 minutes, until local police could respond. Reliance was on passive measures such as fencing and locks.[25]
The "transformed" post 9/11 security team is described as being [B]larger than the police force of the city of Kingston, i.e. equivalent to the force of a city of 100,000.[/B] Force members are permitted to carry firearms, and have powers of arrest. The force possesses armoured vehicles, water craft, and the plant is now triple-fenced.[81] In May 2008, the Bruce Nuclear Response Team (NRT) won the U.S. National SWAT Championship (USNSC), defeating 29 other teams from 4 countries, the first time a Canadian team won an international SWAT event. They won again in 2009, 2010, and 2011.[82][83][84][85][86][87]
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According to the Bruce County emergency plan, "The Municipality of Kincardine will coordinate the emergency response concerns of a nuclear emergency situation resulting from an accident at the Bruce Power Site in the Municipality of Kincardine.".[90] Kincardine is required to maintain a warning system within 3 km of the plant, and has a network of 10 warning stations equipped with sirens and strobes.[91]
A variety of radiation monitoring measures are in place. Milk samples from local farms are sampled weekly. Drinking water at treatment plants in Kincardine and Southampton is sampled twice daily, and tested weekly. Ground water is sampled from several surface water, shallow and deep well locations. Aquatic sediment and fish are analysed, as well as livestock feed, honey, eggs, fruits and vegetables.[92][/quote]
these guys came to our school when i was in grade 6. we all got to drag around 250kg sacks representing downed squad members behind cover, was fun.
tl;dr you would literally have an easier time stealing the fucking KFC recipe than breaking into a nuclear power station
also can we ban posting articles whose only source is the daily mail? they're a literal tabloid.
the article's name is [quote]Were Brussels jihadis trying to make a RADIOACTIVE BOMB? Expert says ISIS may have been plotting to steal nuclear material – as 11 power plant workers have their access revoked amid fears of 'insider help'[/quote]
yet reading it reveals that the access revocation was not 'amid' anything at all and that these are fucking rumors.
here's another quote:
[quote]Alternatively,[B] the brothers could have been plotting to steal nuclear material to make a dirty bomb.[/B]
Claude Moniquet, who investigates threats to Europe's nuclear sector, told NBC News: [B]'The terrorist cell naively believed they could use him to penetrate a lab to obtain nuclear material to make a dirty bomb.'[/B][/quote]
you can't make this shit up. i'd call it cognitive dissonance but that requires the writer to be disturbed by their own mental hypocrisy.
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