BREAKING NEWS - UNITED STATES To Provide 'MILITARY SUPPORT' To Rebels - Polidicks

Supporting Islamic fundamentalists overthrow a government is a great idea! I'm sure it will work out great like the many times [I]before.[/I] At least this dispels the belief that supporting the rebels wasn't in American interests which is why America wasn't going to support them.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41026516]Yeah, Islamist regime or prolonged civil war where these brigades turn into regional warlords or more of the inter-rebel faction fighting.[/QUOTE] The game plan is to stop the regime from curb stomping the rebels and murdering civilians. So they actually have some weight in any future peace talks. Rather than Assad just going "lol no" and disappearing anyone believed to be associated with the rebels for the next decade.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026679]The game plan is to stop the regime from curb stomping the rebels and murdering civilians. So they actually have some weight in any future peace talks. Rather than Assad just going "lol no" and disappearing anyone believed to be associated with the rebels for the next decade.[/QUOTE] Don't western countries already do this? They launch missile attacks against anybody affiliated with their enemies. And peace talks are not going to work, Islamist factions aren't going to stop until their fanatical will is government. Peace was already tried a year ago, and it ended up ending because rebel factions regarded it as an easier time to attack I guess.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41026698]Don't western countries already do this? They launch missile attacks against anybody affiliated with their enemies.[/QUOTE] sorry what I'm not even sure this justifies a response [QUOTE=laserguided;41026698]And peace talks are not going to work, Islamist factions aren't going to stop until their fanatical will is government.[/QUOTE] As opposed to Assad's fanatical will?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026709]sorry what I'm not even sure this justifies a response[/QUOTE] Then why did you respond? [editline]13th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;41026709]sorry what As opposed to Assad's fanatical will?[/QUOTE] Nope, they're both bad.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41026724]Then why did you respond?[/QUOTE] Because I thought it was a completely stupid thing for you to post. But then you always seem to edit your posts posthumously. Maybe you should think things through before hand.

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[QUOTE=laserguided;41026724]Nope, they're both bad.[/QUOTE] Well until these Islamist boogiemen make up the majority of the opposition and some hypothetical Caliphate buzzwords start being thrown about on CNN, then Assad will always firmly be the worst case scenario.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026762]Well until these Islamist boogiemen make up the majority of the opposition and some hypothetical Caliphate buzzwords start being thrown about on CNN, then Assad will always firmly be the worst case scenario.[/QUOTE] Assad is far from the worst case scenario. A Afghanistan situation would be the worst. Step 1, big government overthrown, Step 2. Kill each other, Step 3. Dominant faction rules a oppressive state based on Sharia.

This aid is so sensational. Surprised he would authorize this right after the NSA fallout

He definetley said he was gonna' pull troops out of the afghan war but didn't say that we would drop them into another.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41026775]Assad is far from the worst case scenario. A Afghanistan situation would be the worst. Step 1, big government overthrown, Step 2. Kill each other, Step 3. Dominant faction rules a oppressive state based on Sharia.[/QUOTE] If tier I is happy democracy and tier X is caliphate, than Assad is probably VIII

[QUOTE=Articsledder;41025640]Almost out of one war and dipping our feet into another[/QUOTE] How is Russia any different? Yet no one says anything about them.

I doubt they're going to give arms and ammo to them or anything like that. Besides, they're helping the "trusted" rebels (whatever that means).

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41026550]I'm laughing my ass off seeing this come from Israel. It's also a nation that's only existed for half a decade. Things take time to sort out.[/QUOTE] What. Why is it funny coming from Israel? Israel has a far, far lower crime rate than most Middle Eastern nations and is about the same as most developed European states.

I don't like intervening but since they draw a line, and the line was crossed. You can't back out on that one.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;41026794]This aid is so sensational. Surprised he would authorize this right after the NSA fallout[/QUOTE] The government could get away with anything and nobody would do anything in response. This isn't something extreme but it's still stretching presidential authority.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026709]sorry what I'm not even sure this justifies a response As opposed to Assad's fanatical will?[/QUOTE] I'd rather have a corrupt dictator that's mostly harmless to the region, than an Islamic Caliphate who breaks ceasefire and demands weapons before they consider peace. [editline]13th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Melnek;41026926]What. Why is it funny coming from Israel? Israel has a far, far lower crime rate than most Middle Eastern nations and is about the same as most developed European states.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that a country like Israel has no room to talk about corruption in developing nations.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41026952]I'd rather have a corrupt dictator that's mostly harmless to the region, than an Islamic Caliphate who breaks ceasefire and demands weapons before they consider peace.[/QUOTE] hohoho what the fuck mostly harmless dictator over 100,000 people dead destabilised the entire region vs some fictional caliphate because there are Islamist factions like there has been in every event in the arab spring I swear you guys just lose your head sometimes

[QUOTE=Frosty701;41025901][t]http://davidkretzmann.com/images/obama%20change.jpg[/t] Times are a changing, indeed.[/QUOTE] American Policy - Getting dumber every year!

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026971]hohoho what the fuck mostly harmless dictator over 100,000 people dead vs some fictional caliphate because there are Islamist factions like there has been in every event in the arab spring I swear you guys just loose your head sometimes[/QUOTE] Its inevitable. Why would they drop their weapons when their objective is not achieved? They've already declared independence and Al-Qaeda owns oil fields.

[QUOTE=laserguided;41026988]Its inevitable. Why would they drop their weapons when their objective is not achieved? They've already declared independence and Al-Qaeda owns oil fields.[/QUOTE] They?

If this is "about" the chemical weapons (which it is not. That is most certainly an excuse) then shouldn't we let an actual International policing body worry about it, like the U.N.? I mean, they just sent troops to the Congo. I am sure they could be persuaded to intervene here to put an end to the obscene violence from both groups, rather than us ruining yet another Middle Eastern country because we just couldn't let them be. These people are not our enemies. If we had done this early into the war I might have supported it, but now either side is massively flawed. This is quite literally Afghanistan all over again.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;41026794]This aid is so sensational. Surprised he would authorize this right after the NSA fallout[/QUOTE] This is why they announced this now. It takes attention away from the NSA thing and puts the focus on US aid to Syrian rebels. The advantage is that US troops are not involved, so the public might be annoyed but not really that mad, since Americans aren't fighting there. Also, there's a chance this is a bluff on the Russians, and the Russians may decide it's too risky to chance the US getting deeper into Syria, so Russia will step in to end it with Assad. Worst case, the US sends some weapons and does some drone strikes. Big deal. Meanwhile, the NSA story is yesterday's news.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41026971]hohoho what the fuck mostly harmless dictator over 100,000 people dead destabilised the entire region vs some fictional caliphate because there are Islamist factions like there has been in every event in the arab spring I swear you guys just lose your head sometimes[/QUOTE] Mostly harmless dictator for the region. Never said shit about his country. You want to look at a country destabilizing the region? Look at Israel.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;41027006] Worst case, the US sends some weapons and does some drone strikes. Big deal. Meanwhile, the NSA story is yesterday's news.[/QUOTE] Why limit the information to the people when you can simply drown them in it. Get the story out, make money and onto the next one. Not alot out there in trying to change things.

Well here's hoping for the best. It'd be nice if it all turned out okay.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41026952] I'm saying that a country like Israel has no room to talk about corruption in developing nations.[/QUOTE] Israel - the country that is about as corrupt as Spain, Portugal, Ireland, South Korea and the Czech Republic? Israel ranks 39/174 on the Corruption Index by Transparency International, while Kosovo ranks 105/174. [quote]It's also a nation that's only existed for half a decade. Things take time to sort out.[/quote] Generally when there isn't even a hint for any major improvements by analysts and predictions, it's destined to be a below-average state at most. When corruption begins to take root, it is next to impossible to eradicate thoroughly and the process usually takes decades. It's even worse when your country is literally founded by corrupted officials as well.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41027024]Mostly harmless dictator for the region. Never said shit about his country. You want to look at a country destabilizing the region? Look at Israel.[/QUOTE] How can you call a man who has caused the deaths of over a hundred thousand people 'mostly harmless'. Not to mention dragging in neighbouring countries. Are you even being serious?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027042]How can you call a man who has caused the deaths of over a hundred thousand people 'mostly harmless'. Not to mention dragging in neighbouring countries. Are you even being serious?[/QUOTE] He is obviously talking about before the civil war. When I think about America trying to bring democracy to a country all I can remember is Iraq. It may as well end up being the exact same scenario here. Replace the dictator with another up and coming dictator, country is significantly destabilized in comparison from before, practically no real benefit from the outcome other than the deaths of many people.