BREAKING NEWS - UNITED STATES To Provide 'MILITARY SUPPORT' To Rebels - Polidicks

Is this even a big deal?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHhZF66C1Dc[/media] will this ever not be relevant?

[QUOTE=Aman;41027064]He is obviously talking about before the civil war.[/QUOTE] So? A man who orders tanks and snipers to fire on unarmed protesters asking for more democratic representation is not ~mostly harmless~

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027085]So? A man who orders tanks and snipers to fire on unarmed protesters asking for more democratic representation is not ~mostly harmless~[/QUOTE] Okay but sometimes the world has necessary evils and world police democracy team often causes more problems than they fix. There's tons of precedent of this happening with other countries in the past.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;41025711]Woo! Party like it's 1963![/QUOTE] So since it's 1963 ITT, can I be in a Civil Rights march or watch Malcom X do a speech before he dies or some shit?

I want Syria to be a free democratic secular state, I'd like the "good" rebels to win, but I'm pessimistic and for good reason.

[QUOTE=Aman;41027101]I want Syria to be a free democratic secular state, I'd like the "good" rebels to win, but I'm pessimistic and for good reason.[/QUOTE] well maybe if the world police democracy team didn't wait two years ... just sayin'

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027111]well maybe if the world police democracy team didn't wait two years ... just sayin'[/QUOTE] Just like Libya which is on rocky ground currently?

[QUOTE=Aman;41027114]Just like Libya which is on rocky ground currently?[/QUOTE] But Libya is a success case as far as revolutions go. I mean christ, we'd all love Syria to be another Libya situation.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027131]But Libya is a success case. I mean christ, we'd all love Syria to be another Libya situation.[/QUOTE] Not really. Libya is indeed on very rocky ground currently. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21457879[/url]

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027131]But Libya is a success case as far as revolutions go. I mean christ, we'd all love Syria to be another Libya situation.[/QUOTE] Libya isn't that great. They can't control what's going on in the country and militias run around doing as they please. Libya is one of the better examples but even it isn't super. Imagine what the worst example can be

[QUOTE=Melnek;41027148]Not really. Libya is indeed on very rocky ground currently. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21457879[/url][/QUOTE] But this is hardly unsurprising. You don't go from dictatorship to happyland overnight.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027131]But Libya is a success case as far as revolutions go. I mean christ, we'd all love Syria to be another Libya situation.[/QUOTE] it's still too early to call libya a success or a failure. i personally wanna see how far the libyan government will bend over to lick the boots of french and italian oil interests, then you can say how well their revolution turned out.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027167]But this is hardly unsurprising. You don't go from dictatorship to happyland overnight.[/QUOTE] Time will tell then. Still think its a bad idea to gamble with countries futures.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027085]So? A man who orders tanks and snipers to fire on unarmed protesters asking for more democratic representation is not ~mostly harmless~[/QUOTE] On the grand scale of world politics, he is mostly harmless. A lot of people died at his hand and that fucking sucks. A lot more have and will die by the rebels hands than his and a dangerous nation founded and ran by revolutionaries doesn't stop and be content with their victory. They fucking spread out.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41027184]A lot more have and will die by the rebels hands than his[/QUOTE] Ummm this is getting awkward.

I wonder what Assad is going to do now. I also wonder the extent of "supplying" the rebels entails.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027204]Ummm this is getting awkward.[/QUOTE] Shit man, look to successful islamic revolutions and the aftermath.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41027184]On the grand scale of world politics, he is mostly harmless. A lot of people died at his hand and that fucking sucks. A lot more have and will die by the rebels hands than his and a dangerous nation founded and ran by revolutionaries doesn't stop and be content with their victory. They fucking spread out.[/QUOTE] it's odd because you are basically recycling the "red scare" propaganda during the cold war but you are using it [i]against[/i] foreign intervention...

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41027212]Shit man, look to successful islamic revolutions and the aftermath.[/QUOTE] You're literally breathing hysteria here.

fuck this bullshit. no. nono. nonono. nononono. nonononono. nononono. nonono. nono. no.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41027224]You're literally breathing hysteria here.[/QUOTE] You seem to be under the impression that the rebels are some benevolent coordinated force. They aren't, and a decent portion of them are Islamic Sunnis which always lead to bad things generally. Sectarian fires are hot in Syria. What will happen the Alawite coast I wonder, maybe they will make their own nation

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41027214]it's odd because you are basically recycling the "red scare" propaganda during the cold war but you are using it [i]against[/i] foreign intervention...[/QUOTE] Because violent revolutions often spread when they're goal is spreading ideologies. Cold war was full of it on both sides, Happened in the former Tsar lands during the soviet civil war, there were more factions than just the whites and the reds, happened during napoleon, post revolutionary cuba, several of them are happening in central africa at the moment. I just don't trust revolutionary ran governments to sit by and be content with their victory since they're ran by fucking soldiers.

so mccartney and aman, just curious, you support the assad regime winning the civil war?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41027261]so mccartney and aman, just curious, you support the assad regime winning the civil war?[/QUOTE] I'm neutral, I oppose foreign intervention since the reason the region is as hot as it is would be because of it.

We need to do this right if we are intervening. We need to get a list of every single rebel commander on the ground, if they have any connection with AQ they get ejected immediately. The citizens of Syria need to choose between having US support or terrorist group support. Don't fucking arm another known terrorist organization again US.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41027261]so mccartney and aman, just curious, you support the assad regime winning the civil war?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty neutral to it all mr.assumptions I have a feeling both roads will end in a bad outcome

it's sorta hard to be "neutral". even from a cynical anarchist perspective i think it would be preferable for the rebels to win. i know there is no good outcome, but there are less worse outcomes. but yea i don't support intervention either. it's going to destabilize the region further at worst, prolong the civil war at best.

[QUOTE=Aman;41027291]I'm pretty neutral to it all mr.assumptions I have a feeling both roads will end in a bad outcome[/QUOTE] Didn't you just call Assad a necessary evil earlier?

The population there should sort it out, we don't need to go in and fuck it up and start another fucking war. The idea of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is fucking hilariously inaccurate and it ends up creating enemies once the common goal is out of the way. Happened with the USSR during world war 2, happened with the mujaheddin in afghanistan, happened with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war, happened with Ho Chih Minh when the Japanese occupied Indochina, I can go on and on about why we shouldn't just supply weapons to whoever is against the person we don't like. It creates messes and it fucking spills over to us.