• Japan Guy Makes 4 Ton Mech That shoots Airsoft Bullets, You can buy one.
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Mechs are cool and all but for practical uses an ironman suit would be much better. Right now all this armored humanoid tech is either impractical or impossible. We still need to advance a fair bit before we can make military oriented mechs. Human mechs need to be agile and be able to fly. Something that's more mobile than a tank and flying would allow access to parts where tanks can't go. Until then I don't really see any point in a big humanoid tank that can fall over. Alternatively the mechs at least need 1:1 control and some kind of sense transfer so you can control it like your body. The thing looks cool but I am not going to shell out so much money for "cool". Not like I could even if it was practical.
The guys who have to point out all the "technical flaws" of a mech in combat are ruining this thread, I'm sure some time people thought tanks would be inherently useless, we just don't know yet.
I'm not so much for the airsoft shooting, I'd just ride it around making people shit their pants.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37003425] That a piece of news about a million dollar toy is considered awesome to begin with demonstrates how intellectually deficient this forum is.[/QUOTE] Your mother hugged you too much or too little when you were small, didn't she? It's just the idea of piloting a Mech, the idea is awesome.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37003425] That a piece of news about a million dollar toy is considered awesome to begin with demonstrates how intellectually deficient this forum is.[/QUOTE] I can actually feel the angst coming through my screen
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;37004227]The guys who have to point out all the "technical flaws" of a mech in combat are ruining this thread, I'm sure some time people thought tanks would be inherently useless, we just don't know yet.[/QUOTE]I never said it wasn't an awesome toy, but it's not practical as a weapon simply because there's a number of things we already have or are close to having that does every role people have proposed for mechs, but better. If you want an echo chamber, then a forum isn't the best place for it; discussion can and will happen.
[QUOTE=madmax678;37004298]Your mother hugged you too much or too little when you were small, didn't she? It's just the idea of piloting a Mech, the idea is awesome.[/QUOTE] Piloting anything that's not a common vehicle is awesome, no?
[QUOTE=Carnage2323;36993137]Soon my dreams of being a Gundam pilot will come to fruition[/QUOTE] We need a Aeolia Schenberg of our era to discover GN particles to power these things. Unlimited power source :v:
I WANT A ZAKU
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37003425]At the time of the trench, infantry were [I]not[/I] the most important component of a military, fortifications were. You're not reading.[/QUOTE] Dude this is a fucking contradiction. Fortifications don't win wars, infantry does. The fact that infantry was stuck on a standstill on trenches means nothing, infantry is ALWAYS the most important component of a military. [QUOTE=Xenocidebot;37003425]What planet are you on and how much meth did you smoke to get there? I can't fucking reply to this because you went from making shitty analogies to being blatantly confused about history to speaking gibberish. I'm sorry your walker fetish is a stupid idea, try being lucid for all of two seconds and read my post. That a piece of news about a million dollar toy is considered awesome to begin with demonstrates how intellectually deficient this forum is.[/QUOTE] [I]Mature.[/I]
another video where it was unveiled at [video=youtube;8xxEfA_orUw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xxEfA_orUw&feature=player_embedded[/video] [video=youtube;LeOp3kAP90g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeOp3kAP90g&feature=relmfu[/video]
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;37004227]The guys who have to point out all the "technical flaws" of a mech in combat are ruining this thread, I'm sure some time people thought tanks would be inherently useless, we just don't know yet.[/QUOTE] Except there was actual proof that tanks could be efficient, their design says it all. I'm not saying mechs aren't rad as hell, they definitely are. However, people who think they are ever going to be used in warfare are deluding themselves.
Seeing one of those, or multiple mechs rolling on the field would strike fear into me as much as I would think, "That's so bad ass."
[QUOTE=Jarate Lover;37009070]Seeing one of those, or multiple mechs rolling on the field would strike fear into me as much as I would think, "That's so bad ass."[/QUOTE] Until you pepper them with a .50 cal and all the pilots are dead.
I came.
itt: facepunchers with no concept or understanding of the modern battlefield
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37014618]itt: facepunchers with no concept or understanding of the modern battlefield[/QUOTE] ITP: facepunchee who didn't read the thread posts about how the thread has gone
i like how they had evangelion unit 1 colors in the customizer :v: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/y1oqA.png[/IMG]
Somebody with a bit of actual technological and tactical insight attacked the infantile dreams of internet dwellers. I was wondering what these woeful whines from over the horizon were.
[QUOTE=Neo222;36993222]This is one step closer to mecha warfare. This may not work at the moment, but with the right ideas, it will work. Replace the wheels for example with say, tank treads or some wheel that can't easily be shot off, improve the armor, etc, and then we got a working mech. Not like the walkers mind you, we are still struggling with that.[/QUOTE] I don't think we'll ever have walking mechs because it'd be easy to just blow off one leg and suddenly it's lost all of it's mobility
Walker mechas are cool but nigh unjustifiable design. There's no real advantage except ones you make up to help yourself out. Human sized robots for navigating human built settlements? Perhaps. Mechas meant to fight tanks and other vehicles? Keep dreaming. I consider myself a robotics enthusiast and can't see the whole Gundam/Mechwarrior mecha concept ever justifiable by anything but rule of cool. Yes, mechs are cool. Will they be ever viable combat alternative? Hell no. This advertised vehicle I dislike. It's cool as stationary decoration. The cockpit is cool as hell, I admit that. But seeing it move? That's plain awkward. It's "please, don't fight me with anything worse than pliers... and... oh god please don't run! That's not fair!". I would take BigDog or any of his derivations over this any day.
What I don't get is why it's even a mech to begin with. It has four static wheels on legs that don't move, it's effectively a truck with an admittedly nice suspension system and arms.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37018197]Walker mechas are cool but nigh unjustifiable design. There's no real advantage except ones you make up to help yourself out. Human sized robots for navigating human built settlements? Perhaps. Mechas meant to fight tanks and other vehicles? Keep dreaming. I consider myself a robotics enthusiast and can't see the whole Gundam/Mechwarrior mecha concept ever justifiable by anything but rule of cool. Yes, mechs are cool. Will they be ever viable combat alternative? Hell no. This advertised vehicle I dislike. It's cool as stationary decoration. The cockpit is cool as hell, I admit that. But seeing it move? That's plain awkward. It's "please, don't fight me with anything worse than pliers... and... oh god please don't run! That's not fair!". I would take BigDog or any of his derivations over this any day.[/QUOTE]It really depends on how far technology comes in the next few years/decades.
[QUOTE=madmax678;37018407]It really depends on how far technology comes in the next few years/decades.[/QUOTE] Any technology conducive to the development of walking vehicles would be more conducive to the development of conventional wheeled ones. The engineering and military concerns that make mechs impractical and pointless are based on principles, not technological implementation. New tech won't make a short target profile on an upright vehicle, nor change the inherent inefficiency of a walking cycle relative to wheels.
This thread is making me miss Gcombat battles in Garry's Mod [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-smith.gif[/IMG] It's pretty fun to beat the shit out of people in a mech you've spent the last few days building.
[QUOTE=madmax678;37018407]It really depends on how far technology comes in the next few years/decades.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=catbarf;37018429]Any technology conducive to the development of walking vehicles would be more conducive to the development of conventional wheeled ones. The engineering and military concerns that make mechs impractical and pointless are based on principles, not technological implementation. New tech won't make a short target profile on an upright vehicle, nor change the inherent inefficiency of a walking cycle relative to wheels.[/QUOTE] nuff said. [editline]31st July 2012[/editline] Bows won't ever become serious weapon of choice either, regardless of what materials we invent. Or swords. Mechs are flawed by design. [editline]31st July 2012[/editline] They can be awesome in games, they can be awesome in movies and books. I am all fine with that, and enjoy them like others. But, for gods sake, stop implying any serious armed force should consider developing them real fighting units.
They need to make a working Tachikoma now. [img]http://i.imgur.com/fie5b.png[/img]
[QUOTE=W0w00t;37000914]wheeled 10km/h probably handles real terrain poorly fires by smiling half its weapons can't be aimed 4 tons (and if you added armor (which it doesn't have) it wouldn't be able to handle its own weight) high center of gravity tall impractical hint: mechas will never happen [editline]30th July 2012[/editline] humans are the masters of warfare: if mechas were a good way to kill other people they would have happened long ago[/QUOTE] They already did, based on the technology at the time. You might recognize them as tanks. The technology for improved mobility in robotics is still in its infancy. Until PETMAN pretty much all bipeds were either shuffle-bots (Asimo) or couldn't really stand/walk on their own, much less counter-act falling over. What's holding back advancements in robot mobility is power. It's difficult to make an efficient, high-density energy source for the mechanisms needed to grant a robot human-like mobility. Hydraulics are pretty much the only thing capable of moving quickly enough, and delivering enough power, to mimic human movements, but the power needed to effectively get them going requires a small gas engine due to poor energy density of modern batteries, and that of course just makes them noisy as hell.
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