STEM Disruption - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Squidman;48609400]With a lot of resources such as food scarcity isn't even a problem. It's entirely about distribution. We have huge excesses of food enough to feed well over the world's population, yet nobody can claim that world hunger has ended.[/QUOTE] /thret TOTALLY true. To think some people say "No! But if we produce more food, it will be distributed!" My ass. You can't distribute food when there's a group of boys running around with ak47s

So basically STEM graduates are struggling to find jobs in the US? That's kinda disheartening. I'm a third year med student in the Dominican Republic, currently busting my ass off to graduate with a good GPA. I plan to study and start working abroad in the future, because my country is a total wreck, and it is not showing any signs of changing because of the never ending political corruption. However, as far as I'm aware, hospitals in the States tend to "reserve" jobs for those who graduate from american universities, so for me, an immigrant, to start working in the medical field, I would have to excel at the USMLE steps (basically 3 tests you have to take if you want to practice medicine in the USA) to even have a CHANCE. See I'm not totally out of hope, a friend of mine who studied a LOT and did really good in the tests (90+), is currently working in Chicago as a resident doctor. But still, it kinda gives me the downs, and makes me a little scared for my future, when I see news like this. I know this isn't my personal blog, so apologies if this post got too personal. By the way, if you ever plan to go work abroad, foreigners are pretty much gods in this "tropical paradise", so you may want to consider this as a Plan C or something like that.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48609310] *stuff about STEM and living in Argentina*[/QUOTE] Honestly this is sounding better and better. Not only would I be able to experience a different culture, I would actually be able to live there, and I'd learn a new language before and along the way. Not to mention, if things don't exactly turn out as expected, I could probably just go back home to the US. This is probably going to be one of my plans for the future.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48609524]Honestly this is sounding better and better. Not only would I be able to experience a different culture, I would actually be able to live there, and I'd learn a new language before and along the way. Not to mention, if things don't exactly turn out as expected, I could probably just go back home to the US. This is probably going to be one of my plans for the future.[/QUOTE] If you really consider coming to LATAM, and your main objective is to quickly escalate in the professional world, Peru or Chile. If you want to have an easy time at feeling "integrated" and dont wan't to be seen that much as an outsider: Uruguay (By far the most "european" LATAM country), Argentina and Southern Brazil. [QUOTE]By the way, if you ever plan to go work abroad, foreigners are pretty much gods in this "tropical paradise", so you may want to consider this as a Plan C or something like that. [/QUOTE] Pretty much in all of LATAM my friend, pretty much. And the worse the economy the is, the better options that foreigner has. More if it's a STEM field, which is not that abundant here for example in Argentina.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48609325]Except it isn't, because without the need for resources, there really is nothing to be greedy except for maybe power over others. So no, communism would be observable if we could get to a level of society where we are post-scarcity.[/QUOTE] The problem is that you won't get there. The only way to really effectively distribute resources in a complex society is through some sort of really comprehensive system that develops organically over decades or even centuries in response to changing needs and resources, like a very big and very slow computer nobody really controls or can hope to control in its entirety. (The market economy). The biggest problem with communism is that it advocates smashing this computer to pieces and hoping that the billions of people who depend on it don't starve to death or kill each other. (As tends to happen).

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48609642]If you really consider coming to LATAM, and your main objective is to quickly escalate in the professional world, Peru or Chile. If you want to have an easy time at feeling "integrated" and dont wan't to be seen that much as an outsider: Uruguay (By far the most "european" LATAM country), Argentina and Southern Brazil. Pretty much in all of LATAM my friend, pretty much. And the worse the economy the is, the better options that foreigner has. More if it's a STEM field, which is not that abundant here for example in Argentina.[/QUOTE] Actually at this point it should be mentioned that a western professional would not have to be physically present in Latin America, they could easily remain at home and work via the Internet and conferencing. This would already be happening in most places across the developing world.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48610078]Actually at this point it should be mentioned that a western professional would not have to be physically present in Latin America, they could easily remain at home and work via the Internet and conferencing. This would already be happening in most places across the developing world.[/QUOTE] Yes, freelancers can do that. But for most companies, they require people to be present in their workplaces and they require you to physically see people. Dont know if that's the same in the STEM-relates positions. Sucks though. I would love to be able to live in mendoza and work solely through internet.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48609642]If you really consider coming to LATAM, and your main objective is to quickly escalate in the professional world, Peru or Chile. If you want to have an easy time at feeling "integrated" and dont wan't to be seen that much as an outsider: Uruguay (By far the most "european" LATAM country), Argentina and Southern Brazil. Pretty much in all of LATAM my friend, pretty much. And the worse the economy the is, the better options that foreigner has. More if it's a STEM field, which is not that abundant here for example in Argentina.[/QUOTE] Do you have an idea on the outlook of Information Technology in Latin America by the way? [editline]3rd September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;48609948]The problem is that you won't get there. The only way to really effectively distribute resources in a complex society is through some sort of really comprehensive system that develops organically over decades or even centuries in response to changing needs and resources, like a very big and very slow computer nobody really controls or can hope to control in its entirety. (The market economy). The biggest problem with communism is that it advocates smashing this computer to pieces and hoping that the billions of people who depend on it don't starve to death or kill each other. (As tends to happen).[/QUOTE] Except, in a Post-Scarcity, where there is a surplus of pretty much all resources, it doesn't matter if the needs change, so there's nothing wrong with smashing a non-existant computer to bits, and just getting an electronic keyboard instead.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48610597]Except, in a Post-Scarcity, where there is more than enough resources to meet everyone's needs, even if those needs change, there's nothing wrong with smashing a non-existant computer to bits, and just getting an electronic keyboard instead.[/QUOTE] And how does one propose on distributing all of these resources effectively?

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48610597]Do you have an idea on the outlook of Information Technology by the way?[/QUOTE] As in how much the society uses technology? A lot. Transport is now largely paid with the SUBE card, the same system is being implemented for highway tolls, the social security system and tributary system is being completely digitalized. There's a lot of room for apps that use internet. A lot of places work towards marketing themselves in guia oleo and trip advisor (so its not like commerces are internet-ignorant, something which happened a couple fo years ago) etc etc. Its pretty technified. Companies are using more and more SAP and other admnistration systems, capital federal implemented electronic printed voting ballots. The only issue is price. We got some shitty prices due to the importation restrictions in pro of local employment at tierra del fuego. In my opinion, an useless scheme, but oh well, we can be one month away from that changing.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48610637]And how does one propose on distributing all of these resources effectively?[/QUOTE] Everyone get's the same amount, and if they need more they can request it and get it fulfilled by use of the surplus while the production line bumps up a bit. If they request less of this sort of thing, the opposite would happen. Presumably in this post-scarcity society you'd have the communication systems to do that simply and effectively, obviously all managed by machines. [editline]3rd September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48610653]As in how much the society uses technology? A lot. Transport is now largely paid with the SUBE card, the same system is being implemented for highway tolls, the social security system and tributary system is being completely digitalized. There's a lot of room for apps that use internet. A lot of places work towards marketing themselves in guia oleo and trip advisor (so its not like commerces are internet-ignorant, something which happened a couple fo years ago) etc etc. Its pretty technified. Companies are using more and more SAP and other admnistration systems, capital federal implemented electronic printed voting ballots. The only issue is price. We got some shitty prices due to the importation restrictions in pro of local employment at tierra del fuego. In my opinion, an useless scheme, but oh well, we can be one month away from that changing.[/QUOTE] I was talking more about the job outlook of it (heh), but from what you're telling me it sounds good. I didn't realize Argentina and other Latin America countries had importation restrictions as well, I thought only really Brazil had it.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48610656]Everyone get's the same amount, and if they need more they can request it and get it fulfilled by use of the surplus while the production line bumps up a bit. If they request less of this sort of thing, the opposite would happen. Presumably in this post-scarcity society you'd have the communication systems to do that simply and effectively, obviously all managed by machines.[/QUOTE] When you have millions (let alone billions) of people to take care of, how will you respond to changing fashions and tastes, technological and social change, the differences in peoples behaviours, etc? Also how much in terms of resources will this worldwide machine system cost to maintain, and will it be cheaper and more effective than markets?

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48610656]Everyone get's the same amount, and if they need more they can request it and get it fulfilled by use of the surplus while the production line bumps up a bit. If they request less of this sort of thing, the opposite would happen. Presumably in this post-scarcity society you'd have the communication systems to do that simply and effectively, obviously all managed by machines. [editline]3rd September 2015[/editline] I was talking more about the job outlook of it (heh), but from what you're telling me it sounds good. I didn't realize Argentina and other Latin America countries had importation restrictions as well, I thought only really Brazil had it.[/QUOTE] Job outlok? Depends on the field. The more technical/engi it is, the better chances of escalating by own merit of profession knowledge. Software development people are being paid fat stacks of money. My uncle is senior project director of the ex kodak section that developed medical software and he can easily live in a gated community with 4 children. Peru and Chile have almosst no restrictions.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48610764]Job outlok? Depends on the field. The more technical/engi it is, the better chances of escalating by own merit of profession knowledge. Software development people are being paid fat stacks of money. My uncle is senior project director of the ex kodak section that developed medical software and he can easily live in a gated community with 4 children. Peru and Chile have almosst no restrictions.[/QUOTE] living in a gated community isnt really indicitive of anything, costs are different wherever you go. if i told you i owned a 1000 square foot condo in fucking detroit you probably wouldn't be impressed, however if i said manhattan then you would be. im a software developer with an engineering degree. myself and most of my friends are making in the upper 5 figures right out of school, that's just how it is. i also know people who can't find a job for shit, and theyll probably never work as an engineer a day in their life. the thing is - it's not that there is a lack of engineers, the problem is that there is a lack of good engineers. the same applies to most STEM fields, which is why a lot of people talk about STEM shortages.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48610731]When you have millions (let alone billions) of people to take care of, how will you respond to changing fashions and tastes, technological and social change, the differences in peoples behaviours, etc? Also how much in terms of resources will this worldwide machine system cost to maintain, and will it be cheaper and more effective than markets?[/QUOTE] It depends really. A lot of systems could just be left Humans who are passionate about what they do. For example with clothes, Humans who like to design things could simply just submit designs to the machines, and production can change dependent on that. Or for example, for making video games, humans who are passionate about making video games could simple just make them, and then submit them to machines for processing. Or, on the flip side, you could simply have machines do this all instead. AI is ever expanding and already we've gotten to a point where programs can design simple things, just imagine what we could do in ten or even fifty years with these machine. Technological change would be pretty much something similar to this too. Societal change would be different, because that wouldn't be managed by any one machine. Instead, I'd say a change in the society would only have an indirect impact (change of technology and tastes) on the way things would happen with the production. And this is still a communism by the way. The means of production aren't held by any one man. Hell they might even be considered not to be held by anyone.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;48610801]living in a gated community isnt really indicitive of anything. im a software developer with an engineering degree and myself and most of my friends are making in the upper 5 figures right out of school. i also know people who can't find a job for shit and probably will never work as an engineer a day in their life. it's not that there is a lack of engineers, there is a lack of good engineers. the same applies to most STEM fields.[/QUOTE] Maybe for a canadian, but in Argentina, the cost of a house inside a gated community sir, let me tell you, is fucking high compared to houses outside of it.