• A homeless woman was arrested for refusing to leave the hospital because her legs hurt so much, she
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Someone fix this healthcare thing.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35349635]yes i must be joking haha, a system where you have to bankrupt yourself if you want life saving procedures isn't bad at all haha lol[/QUOTE] I had no intention if implying that. What I'm saying is that America is by no means the [i]only[/i] country with a broken health care system.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;35349698]I had no intention if implying that. What I'm saying is that America is by no means the [i]only[/i] country with a broken health care system.[/QUOTE] yeah i know that was a pretty broad statement, i'm sure somalias healthcare system is far worse.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35349635]ok doesn't invalidate the fact that americas healthcare system is fucked and shit does it mate. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] yes i must be joking haha, a system where you have to bankrupt yourself if you want life saving procedures isn't bad at all haha lol[/QUOTE] Yes but it's unrelated to the story and you shouldn't be posting about it here.
[QUOTE=icantread49;35348541]stupid woman. should have got a job and payed for health insurance. serves her right for being homeless[/QUOTE] Seems like all the people rating you dumb don't understand satire
It sounds like she went in to the hospital over a sprained ankle and it wasn't until much later (possibly during an autopsy) that they discovered she had the blood clot. How the doctor missed this; or, in the event that he knew about it before hand: why he refused to treat it, is a mystery. It is also likely that in the event that the doctor claimed she was okay to go, she refused to leave because of the pain and became irate (understandably so). Thus, the doctor called security. An unfortunate incident, however vague the details. This doctor has some explaining to do and hopefully (albeit doubtfully) proper justice is passed.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35349716]Yes but it's unrelated to the story and you shouldn't be posting about it here.[/QUOTE] yeah i thought it was at first but then i realized it wasn't but i've still got to defend my statement because i think its valid. anyway, i don't get why everyones saying not to get mad at the police as well, i think they're all in the wrong, the shitty doctor for not properly treating the woman, and the police for just throwing her in a cell to die because they assumed that because she's homeless she was on drugs.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;35349618]You remind me of a certain republican candidate.[/QUOTE]All of them?
[QUOTE=Lukeo;35349752]Seems like all the people rating you dumb don't understand satire[/QUOTE] Or maybe everyone rating him dumb fail to see what insurance has anything to do with this story. "They found that when Brown arrived at St. Mary's around 11:45 a.m. on Sept. 20, her left ankle was swollen. She was there for about seven hours, during which [b]ultrasounds on both of her legs were negative for blood clots.[/b] Investigators said she returned eight hours later and was discharged at 7 a.m. the next day. Three hours later, she was still there and refusing to leave. After obtaining a "Fit for Confinement" report from a doctor at 12:30 p.m., officers took her to jail." [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57406467-504083/mo-homeless-woman-died-in-jail-hours-after-hospital-arrest-is-anyone-to-blame/[/url]
It has something to do with a hospital in the U.S. so somehow it must have to do with healthcare insurance. This would have happened in the U.K.or Sweden or any other nation with free healthcare. It's just a tragic occurrence.
I think the movie John Q put it correctly. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8X6Yjt8_7w[/media]
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35348487]Jesus fuck that's horrible. Why has it come to this?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://bedouina.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bf73153ef0105359fa532970c-800wi[/IMG]
Hospitals are businesses, not places to help people. Doesn't it cost a shit load if you call for an ambulance? I hear someone say it's like $1,000 but I can't be sure.
[QUOTE=LADLEMAO;35348468]Stupid dicks, that's why America needs Obama's healthcare[/QUOTE] I can think of a thousand reasons why we should and shouldn't have socialized healthcare but this isn't one of them. that person would still be employed at this hospital and the homeless person would have still been refused treatment (on the grounds that they thought she was a druggie, nothing to do with healthcare or money), and she still would have died in jail.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;35349269]Because she can't afford to pay them, duh. In Amurica, if you don't got no money, you don't get no treatment.[/QUOTE] They can't refuse medical treatment. If you go to an ER they can't refuse to treat you, it is illegal. This doctor more then likely misdiagnosed her and said she was fine clearly when she was not. The person knew she was not fine and tried to stay, doctors call police, police comes and act on the information and take her away. What kinda boggles my mind is how did the medical staff at the jail not catch this? So much medical malpractice it isn't even funny.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;35351609]Hospitals are businesses, not places to help people. Doesn't it cost a shit load if you call for an ambulance? I hear someone say it's like $1,000 but I can't be sure.[/QUOTE] Sadly that's the fact... it ain't no fairy land where the doctors help people without being paid for it, help find the cure that multiple diseases out of pure goodwill. It's a cursed life to the point where if you have no money, your shit out of luck, your at death's door and your got no insurance cause your a piece of shit bum. The more I hear the sad truth, the more that we are nothing more then demons in this world, hunting each other like we are sport or for something god damn stupid. Each and everyone is a insane person, out to take your life out of belief, ideology, sexual preference, stupid bullshit, and other small meaningless shit.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;35351609]Hospitals are businesses, not places to help people. Doesn't it cost a shit load if you call for an ambulance? I hear someone say it's like $1,000 but I can't be sure.[/QUOTE] Yeah calling EMS is quite expensive, but the medics and EMTs on the ambulance on board don't really give a shit if you can pay or not, they dont even handle that. They just get you to the ER alive. Most people in hospitals you'll find don't give a two shits if a patient can pay or not, RNs, doctors, RTs, techies, etc etc, it's not their job to know your financial status, just to treat you. It's usually the case manager that handles the registration, that cares about your money and is likely to make judgment on your if you can or can't pay. Money and Insurance has really no play, it was a bad call on the doctors part because he assumed, he should of done a better assessment on her, and not of been so fast on discharging her when she was clearly still in pain.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35351637]I can think of a thousand reasons why we should and shouldn't have socialized healthcare but this isn't one of them. that person would still be employed at this hospital and the homeless person would have still been refused treatment (on the grounds that they thought she was a druggie, nothing to do with healthcare or money), and she still would have died in jail.[/QUOTE] Uh no, she wouldn't have been forced to leave and they wouldn't have refused to treat her. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] She was in pain and had visible signs, they had enough to keep her. Only reason she was kicked out was because of money. So don't tell me Socialised medicine would have done the exact same thing.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35353297]Uh no, she wouldn't have been forced to leave and they wouldn't have refused to treat her. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] She was in pain and had visible signs, they had enough to keep her. Only reason she was kicked out was because of money. So don't tell me Socialised medicine would have done the exact same thing.[/QUOTE] they're not allowed to kick a person out over money, and even if they were the state will pay for it if the person who needs treatment doesn't have insurance or the means to pay for it themselves.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35353326]they're not allowed to kick a person out over money, and even if they were the state will pay for it if the person who needs treatment doesn't have insurance or the means to pay for it themselves.[/QUOTE] There was no excuse for this lady to have been removed. She was ill and had signs of such, as well as severe symptoms. Further testing should have been done. This is standard operating procedure. However, this is expensive, so they opted to just kick her out.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35349188]but bad health-care systems is pretty much only an american thing.[/QUOTE] Not like every person who can afford it doesn't come to America for treatment and complicated procedures because the doctors are the "best in the world" or anything. In America, doctors get paid, so the best want to be doctors here. Too bad most people can't afford their care. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;35351637]I can think of a thousand reasons why we should and shouldn't have socialized healthcare but this isn't one of them. that person would still be employed at this hospital and the homeless person would have still been refused treatment (on the grounds that they thought she was a druggie, nothing to do with healthcare or money), and she still would have died in jail.[/QUOTE] Don't go with all the disagrees he is 100% correct. I have spent time in a canadian hospital (I am american) and saw a druggie moaning and holding her leg in the lobby get kicked out because she was a druggie. Security just escorted her outside into the cold. That is what happens because they come in looking for drugs all the time and the doctors know who they are. She didn't get kicked out because she had no money (although if she had money she would have been treated, the two aren't mutually exclusive), she got kicked out because she was homeless and druggies come to hospitals looking for handouts. Eyewitness, I've seen it happen.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35353507]There was no excuse for this lady to have been removed. She was ill and had signs of such, as well as severe symptoms. Further testing should have been done. This is standard operating procedure. However, this is expensive, so they opted to just kick her out.[/QUOTE] did you even read any of my post? they can't legally do that and would have been reimbursed for the cost of the procedure anyway. Money is not the issue here. they kicked her out because they thought she wanted more drugs
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;35348582]The doctor was the dick, not the cops.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/david-tennant-harry-potter-and-the-order-of-the-phoenix-london-movie-premiere-arrivals-3WIlRK.jpg[/img]
Americuh would be a better place without americuhsns.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35353507]There was no excuse for this lady to have been removed. She was ill and had signs of such, as well as severe symptoms. Further testing should have been done. This is standard operating procedure. However, this is expensive, so they opted to just kick her out.[/QUOTE] How about researching what happened a bit or just look at the first post on this pages. They did not opt to kick her out, she was in the hospital for over 7 hours, they did do standard operating procedure on her and it came up negative. This would have happened in any hospital, it has nothing to do with the current health care in the U.S.
[QUOTE=darkedone02;35351723]Sadly that's the fact... it ain't no fairy land where the doctors help people without being paid for it, help find the cure that multiple diseases out of pure goodwill. It's a cursed life to the point where if you have no money, your shit out of luck, your at death's door and your got no insurance cause your a piece of shit bum.[/QUOTE]Even if you are a low life piece of shit bum, the hospital is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act]legally required to help if you are in a possibly life threatening situation[/url] regardless if you can pay or not. Telling by this article, the attending gave all treatment as mandated by EMTALA and rightfully decided she was not in a life threatening situation.
Everyone should [URL="http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/woman-unhappy-with-care-at-st-mary-s-hospital-is/article_ed640f3d-64a0-516c-88ff-fb770b5e9677.html"]read the full story[/URL] if you haven't already. It gives a lot more detail than this vague piece of crap article in the link the OP provided.
[QUOTE=LADLEMAO;35348468]Stupid dicks, that's why America needs Obama's healthcare[/QUOTE] This isn't anyone's fault at all. The hospital was sure that they were just dealing with a sprained ankle. The police were just doing their job. You can't expect the hospital to waste resources on checking every person with a sprained ankle for blood clots, it's not feasible. This would happen with or without Obama's healthcare plan. This would happen in the UK, Norway, Sweden, Australia, or anywhere else with a Universal Health Plan, even. This was a freak occurrence, and could have happened anywhere in the world. [editline]30th March 2012[/editline] Nevermind, they even did ultrasounds for blood clots. So this was even more freak than I previously assumed.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;35348501]the land of the free and the home of the brave[/QUOTE] Oh an america thread I'm going to post a witty overly sarcastic comment because I know I'll get tons of funnies and agrees!
[QUOTE=RichyZ;35348501]the land of the free and the home of the brave[/QUOTE] America is anything but a free country now.
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