Indiegogo Fine Young Capitalists campaign shut down. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45784245]I'm not trying to defend/vilify anybody, I'm saying I haven't seen enough actual evidence to convince me that Zoe has done any of the things people are claiming she's done. If I'm coming off as unnecessarily pessimistic about the current general mood towards Zoe then I apologise; it's just that from what I've seen (maybe/possibly/likely a very select portion of the story) it seems like everybody is using Jon-vs-Arin-crisis-level 'detective work' to make Zoe out to be the devil. Like I said, if there's evidence that I haven't seen (and there probably is) based on issues and events that I haven't heard about (and there definitely is) I'd be glad to read through it. At the end of the day I want to be as educated as I can be about this issue so that I can have an informed opinion.[/QUOTE] The [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1418488]other thread[/url] has a fair bit of evidence, most is condensed to image format so it's simpler to skim through. The issue is that while there is a lot of amateur detective work going on, plenty of stuff is filtered out shortly as everyone else realises it is fake. Bullshit like Zoe herself hacking everything obviously gets thrown out, but things like conspiring with Reddit mods to delete everything and the recent hack obviously being highly suspicious are pretty solid. It's a process of working it out and in the confusion some false info will be passed around for a bit, no need to lash out claiming that it's all baseless and everyone will be backpedalling soon.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;45784263]her ex has posted multiple chatlogs of her gaslighting him, using suicide as a means to control him, etc etc. there was also another guy who noted that she sexually harrassed him at a wedding, and that resulted in phil fish and others to collectively tell him to fuck off. maybe i jumped the gun a little bit but it really annoys me to see abuse claims get thrown away because there "wasn't enough proof".[/QUOTE] I understand what you mean I just find it hard to believe these sorts of evidence (jpegs, statements from other users, etc) given how easy it is to forge that sort of stuff, and how often we've seen these things get forged in the contexts of pranks and serious fraud. There's no authority to give us straight answers here and no official body to do a proper investigation, which adds another level to the complexity of the problem. It also feels like people are jumping the gun a bit and approaching individual allegations with the aim of proving guilt rather than giving fair weight to both sides ('she faked her twitter hacking because 'v' was capitalised' etc), which is something we need to work on.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;45784269]You would think a website responsible for handling vast amounts of crowd-funded cash would have better security protocols. If it's just a single password between you and your funds, that's kind of concerning. [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] I mean, this is literally tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars we're talking about here. Having more than one for of validation for an account is necessary, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Seems like actually getting at the money is a bit more difficult and messing around too much beyond changing text or the basic structure of the page requires a bit more verification, especially when there is money involved. It doesn't look like a massive catastrophe quite yet, but still the fact they hacked a charity thing for a good cause because they didn't like /v/ casts a bad light on them.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45784290]I understand what you mean I just find it hard to believe these sorts of evidence (jpegs, statements from other users, etc) given how easy it is to forge that sort of stuff, and how often we've seen these things get forged in the contexts of pranks and serious fraud. There's no authority to give us straight answers here and no official body to do a proper investigation, which adds another level to the complexity of the problem. It also feels like people are jumping the gun a bit and approaching individual allegations with the aim of proving guilt rather than giving fair weight to both sides [B]('she faked her twitter hacking because 'v' was capitalised' etc), which is something we need to work on.[/B][/QUOTE] yeah that shit needs to stop, it's speculation at best and its not going to help anyone really

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45784282]The [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1418488]other thread[/url] has a fair bit of evidence, most is condensed to image format so it's simpler to skim through. [/QUOTE] Cheers [QUOTE=Devodiere;45784282] The issue is that while there is a lot of amateur detective work going on, plenty of stuff is filtered out shortly as everyone else realises it is fake. Bullshit like Zoe herself hacking everything obviously gets thrown out, but things like conspiring with Reddit mods to delete everything and the recent hack obviously being highly suspicious are pretty solid. It's a process of working it out and in the confusion some false info will be passed around for a bit, no need to lash out claiming that it's all baseless and everyone will be backpedalling soon.[/QUOTE] I think the problem with amateur detective work based within the community is that even allegations proven false live on indefinitely in many of the people involved - and there are probably tens of thousands by now. People like me, who have limited time to engage in the issue, are still reading that Zoe hacked everything (although you say it's proven to be false). Allegations proven false will still stick in the minds of many, and when she moves on those things could follow her and make her career more difficult. Anybody mentions Michael Jackson and I guarantee that most of the people within earshot will also remember 'paedophile', despite his name being cleared. It would be nice if this issue could have been dealt with in private by some sort of authority then proper due course and punishment be sorted out reasonably, rather than have a big public scene where her legal name gets tarnished and career potentially ruined.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45784245]I'm not trying to defend/vilify anybody, I'm saying I haven't seen enough actual evidence to convince me that Zoe has done any of the things people are claiming she's done. If I'm coming off as unnecessarily pessimistic about the current general mood towards Zoe then I apologise; it's just that from what I've seen (maybe/possibly/likely a very select portion of the story) it seems like everybody is using Jon-vs-Arin-crisis-level 'detective work' to make Zoe out to be the devil. Like I said, if there's evidence that I haven't seen (and there probably is) based on issues and events that I haven't heard about (and there definitely is) I'd be glad to read through it. At the end of the day I want to be as educated as I can be about this issue so that I can have an informed opinion.[/QUOTE] Just sit in your chair with some popcorn and enjoy the ride. Don't try to reason with either "side" of the shitstorm.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;45784300]yeah that shit needs to stop, it's speculation at best and its not going to help anyone really[/QUOTE] It's a big issue Images posted in Lmaopics showing a supposed twitter post she made, something about 'topic at dinner tonight - laughing at cum covered keyboard warriors' or similar aren't helpful. They're totally out of character for her other twitter posts and, while similar to her most recent (and completely respectful) twitter post, there's no evidence of the cum-covered post on there anywhere. But it was posted, shared, seen by probably hundreds of people and it's that image people will remember, because people don't think to question that stuff or push further to figure out if it's true or not. We've reached a point now where you could post practically any slanderous thing and, because of the media-frenzy-style-frenzy everybody is in, they'll believe it. I guess that's what I was annoyed at when I made my post before: that we've thrown reason and logic and common decency toward the accused out the window and turned it into a harass-the-accused-as-much-as-you-like, which is not the way good people conduct an investigation if they want to actually help the cause they're fighting for

A lot of people have now noticed that the documents and ideas put forward by TFYC seem rather uncharacteristic. [b]Take what they say with a grain of salt, their twitter may also be compromised and there is no way to tell[/b]

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45784290]I understand what you mean I just find it hard to believe these sorts of evidence (jpegs, statements from other users, etc) given how easy it is to forge that sort of stuff, and how often we've seen these things get forged in the contexts of pranks and serious fraud. There's no authority to give us straight answers here and no official body to do a proper investigation, which adds another level to the complexity of the problem. It also feels like people are jumping the gun a bit and approaching individual allegations with the aim of proving guilt rather than giving fair weight to both sides ('she faked her twitter hacking because 'v' was capitalised' etc), which is something we need to work on.[/QUOTE] The sheer weight of evidence he has in chat logs means he would've had to go to a ridiculous length to falsify them, I think there's also a video of him browsing the chat logs on Facebook live which is not an easy thing to fake. Of course while there is some dubiousness about the information, no-one's really come out with anything against it, no evidence they might be falsified or anything beyond speculation that they could be fake, and the reaction from Zoe and others certainly doesn't help that impression. Of course the original sleeping around incident is just the starting point for this whole affair, not the core of it, and as I said few people really care any more with everything else that's going on. Just as before although there might be no higher authority to run a proper investigation, there is still evidence on either side and some allegations seem more likely than others. Something like the allegation that /v/ hacked her and Phil Fish, when someone allegedly leaves their own name misspelled with grossly incorrect information and no actual evidence of involvement, of course you will be suspicious of the claim. [QUOTE=Maloof?;45784312]I think the problem with amateur detective work based within the community is that even allegations proven false live on indefinitely in many of the people involved - and there are probably tens of thousands by now. People like me, who have limited time to engage in the issue, are still reading that Zoe hacked everything (although you say it's proven to be false). Allegations proven false will still stick in the minds of many, and when she moves on those things could follow her and make her career more difficult. Anybody mentions Michael Jackson and I guarantee that most of the people within earshot will also remember 'paedophile', despite his name being cleared. It would be nice if this issue could have been dealt with in private by some sort of authority then proper due course and punishment be sorted out reasonably, rather than have a big public scene where her legal name gets tarnished and career potentially ruined.[/QUOTE] If only there was an internet police, this could all be solved simply. Unfortunately there isn't really an alternative and despite some people getting misinformation from small snippets, something which happens in the actual news also, people are actively trying to rectify that and give the best picture they can. There might be issues in this kind of mob detective work, but they're doing their best to fix that, they want their own side to look good without giving ammunition to opponents after all.

Someone should inform TotalBiscuit about this.

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;45784400]Someone should inform TotalBiscuit about this.[/QUOTE] I'm sure he'll know by the time he wakes up.

[url]http://www.twitch.tv/suspiciouslookingalt[/url] TFYC twitch stream. happenings now - IS DOWN [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] Update: tfyc are trying to find another site to stream on- twitch told the streamer to cease the session as it's not a video game.

[QUOTE=Mecha Pirate;45784441][URL]http://www.twitch.tv/suspiciouslookingalt[/URL] TFYC twitch stream. happenings now.[/QUOTE] Got taken down by Twitch and the chat is showing its best side. All this talk of censoring is quite funny.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;45784477]Got taken down by Twitch and the chat is showing its best side. All this talk of censoring is quite funny.[/QUOTE] They should stream it on youtube via GHangouts.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45784277]I really feel sorry for that poor bastard who has his career basically destroyed because he dared to speak out against the massive fucking corruption inside the industry.[/QUOTE] What is hyperbole? Are there other things making you this upset, or are you really claiming that a single person apparently cheating on her boyfriend is corrupting an entire industry?

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45784486]What is hyperbole? Are there other things making you this upset, or are you really claiming that a single person apparently cheating on her boyfriend is corrupting an entire industry?[/QUOTE] No? What the fuck? Have you been paying attention here? This is no longer about about Zoe, it's about the actions and the incestuous nature of the games journalism industry. I was referring to the man that Zoe sexually harassed. He was pretty much devoured alive by the people that supported him when he spoke out, and has had his career ruined. [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] New stream is up. [url]http://www.twitch.tv/gengame[/url]

[url]http://www.twitch.tv/gengame[/url] Now with a video game. I find it funny that ninjas beat pirates :v:

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45784504]No? What the fuck? Have you been paying attention here? This is no longer about about Zoe, it's about the actions and the incestuous nature of the games journalism industry. I was referring to the man that Zoe sexually harassed. He was pretty much devoured alive by the people that supported him when he spoke out, and has had his career ruined. [editline]24th August 2014[/editline] New stream is up. [url]http://www.twitch.tv/gengame[/url][/QUOTE] Wrong. Zoe is the embodiment of what is wrong with gaming industry, hate directed at her is completely mandated by nobody's actions but her own. The gaming journalism industry as a whole is at fault here, specifically sites like Kotaku. These people enabled Zoe with her bullshit, and then fanning the flame, everyone started censoring anything related to her and her relations with gaming journalists. She has ties in so many forms of social media it's ridiculous, and now it's just people covering their asses because they've been found out for being frauds. Basically gaming journalism is a huge fucking joke, and people are starting to get fed up with it.

I can't believe how out-of-hand this has gotten. Every day has gotten worse and worse. I'm really curious who is doing this. I honestly think its not a rando. But whoever hacked TFYC just shot themselves in the foot for getting /v/ upset. Hell, even people who were apathetic about TFYC are going to be pissed.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45784823]I can't believe how out-of-hand this has gotten. Every day has gotten worse and worse. I'm really curious who is doing this. I honestly think its not a rando. But whoever hacked TFYC just shot themselves in the foot for getting /v/ upset. Hell, even people who were apathetic about TFYC are going to be pissed.[/QUOTE] I was actually waiting for you to get up. You've been so level headed on the matter and have made such excellent quality posts on the topic i was legitimately waiting for you to start posting. You seemed to be very well versed on topic. Also would anyone be so kind to streamline the OP for me? It's a bit of a mess.

[QUOTE=Laferio;45783594][img]http://puu.sh/b5Aqy/5237422c49.png[/img] are you fucking serious really[/QUOTE] So fucking disappointed. I saw an obese furry's HRT get funded, but not a game.

[QUOTE=on the map;45784883]So fucking disappointed. I saw an obese furry's HRT get funded, but not a game.[/QUOTE] It'll come back up.

I must say, that statement looks tailor written to push /v/'s buttons.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;45784871]I was actually waiting for you to get up. You've been so level headed on the matter and have made such excellent quality posts on the topic i was legitimately waiting for you to start posting. You seemed to be very well versed on topic. Also would anyone be so kind to streamline the OP for me? It's a bit of a mess.[/QUOTE] Aww thanks! I'm away from home right now but once I get back in 2+ hours I'll do a recap. Thus is a huge game changer and it will push a lot of feminists to sympathize with TFYC. I'll go into detail once I'm off mobile.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;45784162]good work crucifying somebody based on zero solid evidence If the ex comes through and says he made up the entire five guys story I'm gonna relish listening to the backpedalling from every single person who shat on her based on anecdotal evidence I thought the atheistish gaming community was a bastion of the scientific method and proving things with proper evidence before believing in them, I guess not[/QUOTE] ???? you know quite a bit of atheists become atheists after being told to by other people? "bastion of the scientific method and proving things with proper evidence" my ass. Both religious people and atheists are capable of being intelligent people who use the scientific method.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45785141]Aww thanks! I'm away from home right now but once I get back in 2+ hours I'll do a recap. Thus is a huge game changer and it will push a lot of feminists to sympathize with TFYC. I'll go into detail once I'm off mobile.[/QUOTE] I'll most likely end up replacing the OP with that recap when i get up tomorrow morning (6/7 hours). Is that okay with you?

-sneep-

[QUOTE=Gum100;45784902]I must say, that statement looks tailor written to push /v/'s buttons.[/QUOTE] No self-respecting company would write something as childish as that. If it's not a fake, I think we need to take a step back and seriously reconsider indiegogo as someone to handle obscene amounts of money.

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;45785512]No self-respecting company would write something as childish as that. If it's not a fake, I think we need to take a step back and seriously reconsider indiegogo as someone to handle obscene amounts of money.[/QUOTE] The project wasn't actually canceled initially, it just had it's name and description and stuff changed, probably by some third party. It could still be contributed to. However, IndieGoGo apparently has a policy where compromised projects are taken down, at least temporarily, which unfortunately didn't line up well with the new description of the project.

Are they at least putting it back up? The whole project looked pretty neat.