The execution of a Georgia man who murdered a cop on the side of the road in 1998 has been scheduled
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I seen that video just a few weeks ago for the first time and that shit just keeps popping into my head out of nowhere. I read the title and wondered if it was the same thing. Glad he suffered a good amount of years in a cell before death to be honest.
Not going to contribute to the capital punishment stuff (although I'm against it) and will instead comment on the video related to the incident.
While the video is horrible, it's actually used for police training now. Not everywhere, but it's one of the only pieces of footage that shows just how quickly a situation can turn bad and end in the death of an officer. In a country where almost anyone can own a gun (another thing I am against for obvious reasons) the police need to be trained properly and a little bit aggressively. The video shows exactly why so many police officers act aggressively-it's no excuse for excessive force or any of that shit-but simple things like unholstering his weapon sooner could have prevented his death, and perhaps the death of the psycho war vet.
It's been a while since I've seen that video and it still makes me feel sick. I knew exactly what this thread would be about when I saw the title.
[editline]welp[/editline]
Just to be clear though, I wouldn't ever support him being released in to the public again. I shouldn't have to reason why I think that either, unless you haven't watched the video.
[QUOTE=Dissolution;46853612]It's definitely not a shitty reason. We can cover up mental illness and 'progress' through it as much as possible but its NEVER completely gone.[/QUOTE]
Source? This sort of thinking is shitting on the lives of millions of people.
[editline]4th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=PieClock;46853642]I seen that video just a few weeks ago for the first time and that shit just keeps popping into my head out of nowhere. I read the title and wondered if it was the same thing. Glad he suffered a good amount of years in a cell before death to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Lol wtf do you want him to be drawn and quartered as well?
[QUOTE=Explosions;46853646]Lol wtf do you want him to be drawn and quartered as well?[/QUOTE]
I am not going to get into an argument over this shit because there's no winning in a topic like this, i'm just saying what I think. But to answer your question, no, there's quite a bit of difference between being glad he didn't get the easy way out by sitting in a cell for a dozen or so years to that.
Everything else aside honestly the convicted sounds like he's pretty fucked in the head, alongside being a combat vet in Vietnam he doesn't seem to have a problem with killing people who get on his wrong side, so all in all bit of a cunt probably isn't going to stop being a cunt.
[QUOTE=Explosions;46853646]Source? This sort of thinking is shitting on the lives of millions of people.
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How are we defining mental illness here, because I didn't mean to say "everyone that's a little different". I mean people with actually huge problems understanding human interaction and empathy.
I'm not sure there are millions of psychopaths out there, but psychopathy has been positively correlated with higher recidivism rates. (Hemphill et al. 2011)
Now, was the vietnam vet in that video a psychopath? As loosely "characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse", kinda like shooting a cop in the legs and arms to watch him suffer, ye?
I don't know, I'm not a criminal psychologist.
Honestly, it seems like the guy was mentally ill. Not an excuse for his actions, but it's sad to see someone do something like that for any reason.
After watching that video I now understand why american cops fills anyone with lead as soon as they reach into their car or their pockets.
Before anyone says the reason he shot the cop is PTSD stop, you're basically shitting on all vets with PTSD most people don't come out of the military thinking it's okay to injure and then execute innocent people.
This man was a dumb inbred cunt before and after military service
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853728]Before anyone says the reason he shot the cop is PTSD stop, you're basically shitting on all vets with PTSD most people don't come out of the military thinking it's okay to injure and then execute innocent people.
This man was a dumb inbred cunt before and after military service[/QUOTE]
You're making too many assumptions about how people react to mental illness, as well as about what kind of person this guy was. Maybe I'm wrong to assume that he was mentally ill, but it generally takes more than being a "dumb inbred cunt" to fucking kill someone.
[QUOTE=Skarr;46853756]You're making too many assumptions about how people react to mental illness, as well as about what kind of person this guy was. Maybe I'm wrong to assume that he was mentally ill, but it generally takes more than being a "dumb inbred cunt" to fucking kill someone.[/QUOTE]
Plus its known he had PTSD and bipolar disorder. Maybe not everyone with mental illnesses commits murder, but maybe it's part of what caused him to do it.
You can clearly see him dancing when the officer pulled him over, so I'm guessing he had some kind of breakdown.
[QUOTE=Skarr;46853756]You're making too many assumptions about how people react to mental illness, as well as about what kind of person this guy was. Maybe I'm wrong to assume that he was mentally ill, but it generally takes more than being a "dumb inbred cunt" to fucking kill someone.[/QUOTE]
I have buddy's that have come back from overseas and they don't shoot police officers because they want to avoid a traffic fine.
The PTSD probably didn't help but it on its own doesn't make you murder people
I'm not saying PTSD wasn't part of the reason, it's that it wasn't the entire reason, this man was clearly disturbed in other ways also.
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853780]Don't put words in my mouth I wasn't making assumptions I was stating fact, I have buddy's that have come back from overseas and they don't shoot police officers because they want to avoid a traffic fine. How dare you even imply that this man could be seen in a same group as all suffers of PTSD.
The PTSD probably didn't help but it on its own doesn't make you murder people[/QUOTE]
You know for a fact that he was inbred? And that he was a cunt? And that he was dumb? Cool, when did you meet him? Oh, you're also sharing some anecdotes with us?
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853780]Don't put words in my mouth I wasn't making assumptions I was stating fact, I have buddy's that have come back from overseas and they don't shoot police officers because they want to avoid a traffic fine. How dare you even imply that this man could be seen in a same group as all suffers of PTSD.
The PTSD probably didn't help but it on its own doesn't make you murder people[/QUOTE]
Mental illness isn't as black and white as you'd like it to be. As sloppy_joes said, the dude was diagnosed with PTSD and Bipolar Disorder.
I have a weak stomach and it's easy for me to get sick so didn't watch the video, but man I'm curious to see it anyway to see how the officer died if Facepunch of all places is fine with the Death Penalty.
[QUOTE=Sift;46853824]I have a weak stomach and it's easy for me to get sick so didn't watch the video, but man I'm curious to see it anyway to see how the officer died if Facepunch of all places is fine with the Death Penalty.[/QUOTE]
You don't see anything, as the officer was hiding behind his car's door, i.e. behind the dashcam's field of view. You do hear everything though - that's what's so unsettling about it.
If you're curious about what happened, read the video description.
[QUOTE=Stopper;46853815]You know for a fact that he was inbred? And that he was a cunt? And that he was dumb? Cool, when did you meet him? Oh, you're also sharing some anecdotes with us?[/QUOTE]
That was an insult I didn't expect people to take it at face value. I find it hard to believe that some of you think at one stage the cop killer was a nice man, also thanks for dissecting my post, pointing out that I used anecdotes totally progressed the conversation.
[editline]4th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Skarr;46853823]Mental illness isn't as black and white as you'd like it to be. As sloppy_joes said, the dude was diagnosed with PTSD and Bipolar Disorder.[/QUOTE]
Yes that is fucking common sense but the implication that PTSD alone can cause people to kill irrationally is honestly pretty disrespectful to a lot of people
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853835]That was an insult I didn't expect people to take it at face value. I find it hard to believe that some of you think at one stage the cop killer was a nice man
[editline]4th January 2015[/editline]
Yes that is fucking common sense but the implication that PTSD alone can cause people to kill irrationally is honestly pretty disrespectful to a lot of people[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's pretty cool too - the only person who insinuated that PTSD can make a killer out of someone is... you!
[QUOTE=Stopper;46853873]Yeah, that's pretty cool too - the only person who insinuated that PTSD can make a killer out of someone is... you![/QUOTE]
I've seen in a lot of threads where someone who suffers from PTSD commits a crime that automatically it's due to him having PTSD, I was just saying hey maybe this time and from now on we shouldn't?
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853877]I've seen in a lot of threads where someone who suffers from PTSD commits a crime that automatically it's due to him having PTSD, I was just saying hey maybe this time and from now on we shouldn't?[/QUOTE]
And this one wasn't one of them. So why'd you make it?
[QUOTE=Stopper;46853879]And this one wasn't one of them. So why'd you make it?[/QUOTE]
Because someone was bound to eventually why not get a head start? I didn't think people were actually going to engage me in a dispute about it.
What the fuck is this even about you don't seem like you disagree with my point, bad decision on my part posting my original post possibly but why are we still talking about it?
You're making this thread a discussion on the effects of PTSD just as much as I am.
Good, more than deserved. I remember watching the video a long time ago, and it was horrifying.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;46853501]Don't scroll down to view the comments in that video.[/QUOTE]
Fuck this.
I'm moving to Antarctica.
I hadn't seen that video until now. That guy is fucking crazy, and whether or not it's "right" for him to be executed, after watching that, I don't feel any sympathy for him.
[editline]4th January 2015[/editline]
And the comments are full of the kind of idiots you'd expect to see on any video involving the police doing their job.
If only we could legally study and experiment with this guy. I want to get into this guy's head so we can figure out more about what pushes a man over the edge.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46854103]If only we could legally study and experiment with this guy. I want to get into this guy's head so we can figure out more about what pushes a man over the edge.[/QUOTE]
Charles Whitman.
"In one of his writings, Whitman stated that he wanted his brain examined after his death to check for signs of physical cause of mental illness."
"I have just taken my mother's life. I am very upset over having done it. However, I feel that if there is a heaven she is definitely there now [...] I am truly sorry [...] Let there be no doubt in your mind that I loved this woman with all my heart."
"I do not quite understand what it is that compels me to type this letter. Perhaps it is to leave some vague reason for the actions I have recently performed. I do not really understand myself these days. I am supposed to be an average reasonable and intelligent young man. However, lately (I cannot recall when it started) I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts."
Turned out he got a brain tumor, but experts don't agree whether that was the cause.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;46853491]This isn't the right place for a pro/anti capital punishment shitfest.[/QUOTE]
Err
It isn't? It's a thread about capital punishment.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46854103]If only we could legally study and experiment with this guy. I want to get into this guy's head so we can figure out more about what pushes a man over the edge.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sure you'll learn lots from a crazy guy who shot a cop on the side of the road just for pulling him over!
I urge all of you curious about this case to watch the video see how the convicted composes himself and the actions he does, does he really seem like the intellectual type?
[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46853780]Don't put words in my mouth I wasn't making assumptions I was stating fact, I have buddy's that have come back from overseas and they don't shoot police officers because they want to avoid a traffic fine.
The PTSD probably didn't help but it on its own doesn't make you murder people[/QUOTE]
obviously PTSD only has one severity level and can't be amplified or attributed to other mental illnesses.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;46854233]obviously PTSD only has one severity level and can't be amplified or attributed to other mental illnesses.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't saying that I was saying I'm willing to bet something else other than being a veteran with PTSD is why he shot a police officer for pulling him over.
I even said that him having PTSD was probably part of the problem but it isn't entire thing.
Fucks sake you sh'ers are accusatory.
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