The execution of a Georgia man who murdered a cop on the side of the road in 1998 has been scheduled - Polidicks

Not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't think someone should die while on the other hand he showed no mercy to that cop.

[QUOTE=Killergam;46855993]They should just mount a gun to a chair, aim it to the side of the persons head and then, in a controlled fashion, have a computer that pulls the trigger once activated. Quick, painless and cost-effective. Very humane way to go.[/QUOTE] I know, someone really should have thought of this sooner! It's like, [I]"UM, [B]HELLO[/B] Mr Executioner, you can just buy some chairs and shoot your prisoners on them!"[/I] Like, DUH! This is really simple! It's so amazing YOU of all people figured it out and not any of the highly qualified government experts who have probably dedicated large portions of their lives to minimizing cost on this exact topic! It's almost like the cost is in fact inextricably connected to it through legal fees and the extended due process necessary to authorize the death penalty, and the actual killing part is almost entirely irrelevant in comparison to the immense cost of being reasonably sure you're killing the right person!

Ok, look, judging from the reception of this and various posts, I have to imagine that quite a few people cheering this are normally against the death penalty but this is 'different' somehow, so I'm going to just say make up your mind. Numerous kinds of people like this guy end up on death row. The only real difference is that you got to see it. So fuck the excuses, the 'oh it'll save money' or 'we can't really integrate this guy back in' It's simple, we either kill motherfuckers when they commit crimes or we don't. Pick one, don't be a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;46857587]Ok, look, judging from the reception of this and various posts, I have to imagine that quite a few people cheering this are normally against the death penalty but this is 'different' somehow, so I'm going to just say make up your mind.[/QUOTE] My mind hasnt changed. People who commit especially heinous crimes should get death as a punishment. This guy meets that criteria and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that hes deserving of it.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46857833]My mind hasnt changed. People who commit especially heinous crimes should get death as a punishment. This guy meets that criteria and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that hes deserving of it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, i'm sorry but after watching the video- even in a state of emotion-driven decision making, that man should die for his crimes. Not only did he taunt the officer, refuse to cooperate in any means, became defiant, and suddenly snapped like he was back in the Jungle again. Don't care if you've got PTSD or not, his brain KNEW that was not an enemy from back when. He was differentiating that all the way up until he pulled the trigger. Then he chases the cop around and continues to unload on him as if he's having fun. He was adrenaline fueled. Good for him, he got a kick he hadn't had in years. So now he gets to pay for that. He sat locked away for 20 years and gets to be put down like a dog, just the same way he intended to put the officer down. It's too bad the officer wasn't a better shot, he should have died there.

Watching that video is the first time something on the internet has gotten under my skin in a long time [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] his screams are nightmare inducing

I am of the belief you have a right to life until you take it from someone else, he gets no sympathy from me.

I have seen alot of fucked up shit, on the internet and real life, but that poor guys screams are haunting.

[QUOTE=DJrorok;46859022]I have seen alot of fucked up shit, on the internet and real life, but that poor guys screams are haunting.[/QUOTE] I remember getting linked to all sorts of executions from wannabe-hard friends back in the day, mostly cartel shit from Mexico. This video though, I closed as soon as I first heard deputy Kyle Dinkheller's screams. Never seen anything more haunting than this broken guy dancing around and laughing. You already know how the video ends but you're just sitting there begging it will turn out differently somehow.

This killer is a psychopath. People with antisocial personality disorder cannot be treated successfully. They feel no empathy, completely disregard the rights of others, and are impulsive to the point where consequences are of no importance to them. They are reckless, self centered, they lack moral conscience. The frontal lobes of people with the disorder have decreased functioning, which explains the poor planing, bad judgements and lack of empathy. 30% of the prison population consists of "psychopaths." Parents who exhibit the disorder have a higher chance of their kids having it, either learning it through modelling or inheriting it through genetics. Talk therapy doesn't work for them, and in some cases makes them more likely to commit crime. Medications cannot fix the structural abnormalities in the brain: you can't cure a lack of empathy with pills. Since they rarely take consequences into account, punishments are not a deterrent. As of right now, psychopaths cannot be rehabilitated. Maybe in the future we will be able to fix what's wrong with them. But now, they either rot in a cell or get executed, because you can't let them out on the street as they will commit more crimes. They are a danger to society and will continue to be one unless you get them so sedated that they can't do jack shit and that's borderline unethical. I'm against the death penalty for various reason previously stated in the thread (cost, gov't power over life, possibility of innocence) so the only alternative for this killer is life in jail. But since his crime is on tape it's obvious why Georgia opted to sentence him to death. The Georgia government doesn't care about the cost and has no qualms about having power over life and death, and the guy is guilty. I'm not gonna lose sleep over this, even if I don't support his death. (citations: Comer, Gould 2013; Grant, Rice 2006)

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;46859584]This killer is a psychopath. People with antisocial personality disorder cannot be treated successfully. They feel no empathy, completely disregard the rights of others, and are impulsive to the point where consequences are of no importance to them. They are reckless, self centered, they lack moral conscience. The frontal lobes of people with the disorder have decreased functioning, which explains the poor planing, bad judgements and lack of empathy. 30% of the prison population consists of "psychopaths." Parents who exhibit the disorder have a higher chance of their kids having it, either learning it through modelling or inheriting it through genetics. Talk therapy doesn't work for them, and in some cases makes them more likely to commit crime. Medications cannot fix the structural abnormalities in the brain: you can't cure a lack of empathy with pills. Since they rarely take consequences into account, punishments are not a deterrent. As of right now, psychopaths cannot be rehabilitated. Maybe in the future we will be able to fix what's wrong with them. But now, they either rot in a cell or get executed, because you can't let them out on the street as they will commit more crimes. They are a danger to society and will continue to be one unless you get them so sedated that they can't do jack shit and that's borderline unethical. I'm against the death penalty for various reason previously stated in the thread (cost, gov't power over life, possibility of innocence) so the only alternative for this killer is life in jail. But since his crime is on tape it's obvious why Georgia opted to sentence him to death. The Georgia government doesn't care about the cost and has no qualms about having power over life and death, and the guy is guilty. I'm not gonna lose sleep over this, even if I don't support his death. (citations: Comer, Gould 2013; Grant, Rice 2006)[/QUOTE] So we should probably just kill anyone diagnosed with this disorder summarily, right?

The guy was indeed in Vietnam and had, ever since, pursued help for severe PTSD. His brother committed suicide and his family left him. During his service he was highly praised. He fought in the most hellish conditions imaginable and gave it everything he had. It claimed his sanity. Now what? Now we claim his life? He is fucking crazy and the conflict CLEARLY did it to him like so many others. Should he ever be free again? No probably not. But he deserves treatment. If you really must satisfy your need for revenge, then consider this: if his treatment yields results, then he may one day feel guilt for his actions. Perhaps he can even take action from confinement to raise awareness of the dangers of ignoring PTSD at a societal level and possibly avoid a repeat of this.

I remember when I first watched that video, it makes me happy in a way but I mean in the video he seemed pretty fucking crazy. He was dancing and taunting a cop and mentioned when being a veteran I think at one point. I mean after 17 years his thought process probably changed to some extent.

tbh the vet stopped shooting when he pleaded for him to stop then when he turned his back the cop started shooting again nice

I think death penalty is way to strict in this situation.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46859692]So we should probably just kill anyone diagnosed with this disorder summarily, right?[/QUOTE] No. I don't see how you could come to that conclusion. If they're incarcerated for a major crime (something heinous and violent, like the offender in the OP) and are found to have antisocial personality disorder, they stay in jail. Rehabilitation should be used once we have the ability to cure or at least manage the disorder, but as of right now there is no way to rehabilitate them. Even if we do find a "cure" or way to manage it then we should extensively monitor them if they are released after rehabilitation so that they do not commit more crimes, like a more restrictive parole. Of course extreme care should be made by the psychologists who review the offender to make sure he is not misdiagnosed, and there are tests that can be and are frequently used to reliably diagnose the condition. If they are diagnosed with the disorder and haven't committed any crimes (and are deemed not to be a present threat to themselves or others in a way that would require them to be involuntarily comitted) then they don't go to jail unless they commit a crime. Governments cannot jump to "thoughtcrime" ways of dealing with people because if they haven't committed any crime yet then they have their rights still and it is unethical to incarcerate people unless they show they cannot be trusted to be in the general population. There are a solid amount of "successful" psychopaths in higher level organizations of business that do not break the law, although their behavior is of issue in these workplaces sometimes. However, if they break the law in a major violent way that they are too much of a threat to the general population to be released from jail then they stay in jail. If they constantly get incarcerated for minor crimes then they get an increasing sentence rate for each repeated crime, because they aren't a major threat to society that would require them to be separated permanently from the general population. Jail is meant to both rehabilitate and separate offenders from society, and if rehabilitation is impossible then separation is the only solution. The average neurotypical person is not going to violently kill another being unless it is in a fit of passion because they have empathy and understand the consequences of their actions. People who are not psychopaths can atone for their crimes, can try to repair the harm they've done to society, and be rehabilitated. Someone who shows such complete disregard to the lives of others, has no empathy whatsoever and cannot control their impulses and thus commits a heinously violent crime in a premeditated way shows signs of antisocial personality disorder which is untreatable and cannot be let loose into the general public.

Here's another way to look at the situation. How many more people would this guy shoot up if he was put in jail for the rest of his life? 0. How many if he was executed? 0. Is your thirst for revenge and punishment so intense that you cannot stand living in the same world as this man? This guy will NEVER affect your life, nor has he AT ALL during the last 16 years. NOBODY's lives will be improved if he was executed, either. He got his punishment, which means he'll never EVER have a chance at living a normal life. Let him stay behind bars forever. And to everyone saying stuff like "im normally against the death penalty but kill this guy," if you're not going to support the death penalty, you can't just make weird exceptions just because.

I think people itt are more concerned with the resources spent keeping him alive

The idea of having psychologists and shrinks psycho analyse him is certainly interesting, however personally I do not believe it would be worth the money to fund such a project as judging by what I've read and seen of Brannan he is not a very intelligent person and excuse me for assuming probably just killed the officer because "I'm a veteran you can't treat me like this." And that was his inner justification what is absolutely insane. The fact that he yells "what now fucker" and then unloads his clip whilst his target was clearly incapacitated what by the way would even be looked down upon if you were in a real war fighting real enemy combatants and not cops cements the assumption. I do however believe it is a waste of money to the state to execute him considering the costs etc.

yaaaaaaay more death

[QUOTE=Explosions] Why in your mind are there only two possibilities: execution or "rot in a cell"? Seriously, this is another post that always shows up in death penalty threads with this stupid dichotomy in people's heads. It basically is an easy but fallacious way to justify executions. If you dumb it down to two possibilities, execution or a mythically horrible life in prison, then you can badger your way into showing execution as a more positive outcome for both the prisoner and everyone else. But let's exit this fantasy and look at a different situation: Norway. Now, who in their right mind would say "we either execute him or leave him to rot in a cell" if he is incarcerated in Norway? The prisoner wouldn't be "rotting" anywhere because Norway actually has a respectable prison system that works to solve problems. Even if the prisoner was serving life in a Norwegian prison with no chance of ever getting out, how could you say he would be better of executed? The outcome is exactly the same as and eye for an eye, so I don't see what this accomplishes.[/QUOTE] To answer your question simply, I believe Anders Breivik should be dead for murdering 77 people and injuring over 100 more, after going on a rampage with firearms and blowing up a building. Rather than allowing him to continue his meaningless existence in a cell that more closely resembles a dorm room than a prison cell. Breiviks death wouldn't be an eye for an eye, it would be an eye for 77 pairs of eyes that will never see again.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;46853491]This isn't the right place for a pro/anti capital punishment shitfest.[/QUOTE] What? A guy is being executed. This is literally the only time that shitstorm is permitted.

[QUOTE=Slim Charles;46860163] The fact that he yells "what now fucker" and then unloads his clip whilst his target was clearly incapacitated what by the way would even be looked down upon if you were in a real war fighting real enemy combatants and not cops cements the assumption. [/QUOTE] You think American soldiers weren't yelling anything but the worst profanity at their enemies when they were trading bullets in Europe? Or Vietnam?? Or Afghanistan??? " SORRY fucker! " screamed no one ever when they killed someone in combat.

[QUOTE=ghosevil;46860604]You think American soldiers weren't yelling anything but the worst profanity at their enemies when they were trading bullets in Europe? Or Vietnam?? Or Afghanistan??? " SORRY fucker! " screamed no one ever when they killed someone in combat.[/QUOTE] Trading bullets in combat is one thing. Executing an incapacitated person is another. I'm fairly sure it's illegal in war for a US soldier to kill a combatant who is out of the fight. [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] ALSO how is that related to this case in any way ever anywhere

[QUOTE=EcksDee;46860639]Trading bullets in combat is one thing. Executing an incapacitated person is another. I'm fairly sure it's illegal in war for a US soldier to kill a combatant who is out of the fight. [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] ALSO how is that related to this case in any way ever anywhere[/QUOTE] It's part of what fucked up this guy so bad. [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;46860507]To answer your question simply, I believe Anders Breivik should be dead for murdering 77 people and injuring over 100 more, after going on a rampage with firearms and blowing up a building. Rather than allowing him to continue his meaningless existence in a cell that more closely resembles a dorm room than a prison cell. Breiviks death wouldn't be an eye for an eye, it would be an eye for 77 pairs of eyes that will never see again.[/QUOTE] And it would accomplish nothing except giving other lunatics who are just like him more material to fuel their twisted view of the world. I hightly highly highly respect Norway for the way they dealt with this incident.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46859926]Is your thirst for revenge and punishment so intense that you cannot stand living in the same world as this man? This guy will NEVER affect your life, nor has he AT ALL during the last 16 years. NOBODY's lives will be improved if he was executed, either. He got his punishment, which means he'll never EVER have a chance at living a normal life.[/QUOTE] He hasn't affected your life either, so why are you so quick to defend his existence when there's no justification for it? He did it, he was found guilty with irrefutable evidence confirming he's guilty, he has no remorse for what he did (on the contrary, he has attempted to appeal his conviction), and the state of Georgia will kill him for what he did. He is being killed because he is dangerous and remorseless and a waste of human life with no regard for the lives of other people; "revenge" (an extremely vague and nebulous term which likes to appear in debates on the death penalty on the anti side) does not factor into it. He [i]will[/i] be put to death for a particularly heinous crime he is undeniably guilty of, and that's how simple it is-- regardless of whether you or I or anyone else has a problem with it.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46853404]What the fuck is this going to accomplish? Now there will be two dead people as a result of the incident.[/QUOTE] Did you seriously just call a brutal execution an incident Regardless of all the stuff about the death penalty and all that jazz, you just called a guy purposefully unloading a magazine onto an incapacitated police officer while taunting him an incident

[QUOTE=Killuah;46860705]And it would accomplish nothing except giving other lunatics who are just like him more material to fuel their twisted view of the world.[/QUOTE] No it wouldn't. You're overexaggerating. Anders Breivik is a far-right wing Islamophobic white supremacist and a paranoid narcissistic schizophrenic; he is a [i]very[/i] atypical human being, in terms of both his political beliefs and his psychological background, and there are very few people out there in the world who match his extreme level of insanity.

[QUOTE=Govna;46860771]No it wouldn't. You're overexaggerating. Anders Breivik is a far-right wing Islamophobic white supremacist and a paranoid narcissistic schizophrenic; he is a [i]very[/i] atypical human being, in terms of both his political beliefs and his psychological background, and there are very few people out there in the world who match his extreme level of insanity.[/QUOTE] Not the point. Point being you can't preach human rights while ignoring them when you see it fit. [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;46860738]He hasn't affected your life either, so why are you so quick to defend his existence when there's no justification for it? He did it, he was found guilty with irrefutable evidence confirming he's guilty, he has no remorse for what he did (on the contrary, he has attempted to appeal his conviction), and the state of Georgia will kill him for what he did. He is being killed because he is dangerous and remorseless and a waste of human life with no regard for the lives of other people; "revenge" (an extremely vague and nebulous term which likes to appear in debates on the death penalty on the anti side) does not factor into it. He [i]will[/i] be put to death for a particularly heinous crime he is undeniably guilty of, and that's how simple it is-- regardless of whether you or I or anyone else has a problem with it.[/QUOTE] Noone denies his guilt, why are you even pointing this out. We are arguing that it's better to not kill anyone as punishment. It's the right thing to do from every perspective, ressources, morals and principles.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46860799]Not the point. Point being you can't preach human rights while ignoring them when you see it fit.[/QUOTE] "Staying alive regardless of actions" has never been a basic human right. Access to a fair trail and a just decision, however, is one. Whether or not killing a man for heinous crimes is right or not falls upon the society's justice system and doesn't fall upon the general conception of human rights. Besides, life sentence and death sentence accomplish the same goal and exist for the same purpose, at least on an ideal standpoint. You take an individual that has proven to be an absolute unsolvable threat to society and you put him away so he doesn't pose a bigger threat. At this point it stops being punishment and it starts being containment. Whether you decide to execute the individual to just get rid of him or keep him around in a cell until he dies is up to you and your conception of what's the most moral thing to do (some would argue that keeping a psychopath that can't be treated locked in a cell 24/7 until he dies is a worse fate than just killing him outright).