[QUOTE=Pepin;30352603]I don't think nitpicking about calling it Obamacare really makes sense to do because it is called that for convenience. Obamacare is really the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" and that really doesn't roll off the tongue. PPACA isn't really a good acronym. It is called Obamacare out of convenience because it makes it obvious that it referring to the heath care act Obama pushed for.
In case you haven't noticed, most legislation like this usually tries to make an acronym out of the name to make referring to it easy. Take the Patriot act. The real piece of legislation isn't called the Patriot act, but rather "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act" which makes for USA Patriot act.[/QUOTE]
I don't see whats wrong with health care reform act
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or something along those lines
Actually, nothing's wrong with that except it's not as catchy. People latch on to catchy words and phrases. Obamacare is a catchy word, PPACA is not. and health care reform act is a general phrase that can be applied to any health care reform act and thus is almost as malleable as a wiki article.
[QUOTE=Pepin;30352603]I don't think nitpicking about calling it Obamacare really makes sense to do because it is called that for convenience. Obamacare is really the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" and that really doesn't roll off the tongue. PPACA isn't really a good acronym. It is called Obamacare out of convenience because it makes it obvious that it referring to the heath care act Obama pushed for.[/QUOTE]
According to Glaber it's [i]not[/i] the PPACA:
[QUOTE=Glaber;30352406]Need I remind you that the Term "Obamacare" came out before "PPACA" did?[/QUOTE]
Except when it is, I guess.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30343732]Keep ignoring the Constitutional issue of Obamacare and its mandate.[/QUOTE]
Anyway, like I said, it's misleading, it lowers the level of political discourse, and it reinforces the perception that the President is directly responsible for everything that happens in America, a perception which is straight up damaging to democracy no matter which "side." That's bad. Glaber's response to that seems to be "we're winning though neener neener" so
[QUOTE=Glaber;30352660]Actually, nothing's wrong with that except it's not as catchy. People latch on to catchy words and phrases. Obamacare is a catchy word, PPACA is not. and health care reform act is a general phrase that can be applied to any health care reform act and thus is almost as malleable as a wiki article.[/QUOTE]
people latch onto talking points you mean
Also can you tell me the last time that healthcare underwent reform in the united states?
when did I ever imply that the 2 names weren't the same law?
(ok, who pressed the turbo button on this topic?)
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30352775]people latch onto talking points you mean[/QUOTE]
Ehh, close enough. It's along the same idea anyway.
Talking points, catchy words and phrases. Why else would people think Obama is responsible for the entirety of the Health care reform, or for that matter, jump at Sonic 4 Epsiode 1 thinking they would get a Classic like experience?
You got to remember, marketing is not exclusive to economics.
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[QUOTE=Glaber;30352790]when did I ever imply that the 2 names weren't the same law?[/QUOTE]
When you snipped the post then edited it.
[QUOTE=TH89;30352732]Anyway, like I said, it's misleading, it lowers the level of political discourse, and it reinforces the perception that the President is directly responsible for everything that happens in America, a perception which is straight up damaging to democracy no matter which "side." That's bad. Glaber's response to that seems to be "we're winning though neener neener" so[/QUOTE]
It makes it sound like Obama's the only one responsible for the bill, and no one else.
[img]http://gyazo.com/ef82403ba6224332c625b370b618ebb7.png[/img]
How childish.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30352790]Talking points, catchy words and phrases. Why else would people think Obama is responsible for the entirety of the Health care reform, or for that matter, jump at Sonic 4 Epsiode 1 thinking they would get a Classic like experience?[/QUOTE]
You do realize the mandate is a republican idea. and that sonic analogy is really hamfisted.
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[QUOTE=Nikota;30352939][img]http://gyazo.com/ef82403ba6224332c625b370b618ebb7.png[/img]
How childish.[/QUOTE]
well he didn't box you
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30352966]You do realize the mandate is a republican idea. and that sonic analogy is really hamfisted.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter which side came up with the idea. It's still a horrid one.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30352660]Actually, nothing's wrong with that except it's not as catchy. People latch on to catchy words and phrases. Obamacare is a catchy word, PPACA is not. and health care reform act is a general phrase that can be applied to any health care reform act and thus is almost as malleable as a wiki article.[/QUOTE]
There's another difference you seem to be missing. That being that one is accurate and the other is not.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30353068]It doesn't matter which side came up with the idea. It's still a horrid one.[/QUOTE]
Actually it does, because if, god forbid, this bill isn't 100% Obama's personal plot to kill old people and tax American into oblivion, then your fucking buzzword title is innacurate.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30352775]people latch onto talking points you mean
Also can you tell me the last time that healthcare underwent reform in the united states?[/QUOTE]
Actually pretty constantly, though they are major reforms but rather minor changes. There was actually a big reform put forward by Bush called the "Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" or the MMA. I believe in 2007 democrats passed a a health care bill that extended the life of medicare and medicare by at least a decade, I don't know what bill that was but they did pass it. If you actually look history, there's been a lot of health care laws and reform being implemented gradually since the 1940's.
Here's a quick link that shows what I mean.
[url]http://healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?page_id=1647[/url]
I am willing to bet that you're going to say that these reforms weren't big enough, but that argument only works when you make the comparison to current proposals. My point is mainly that healthcare has gone under many reforms over time and the change has been rather gradual.
[QUOTE=-Mud-;30353111]There's another difference you seem to be missing. That being that one is accurate and the other is not.
Actually it does, because if, god forbid, this bill isn't 100% Obama's personal plot to kill old people and tax American into oblivion, then your fucking buzzword title is innacurate.[/QUOTE]
Accuracy wasn't the point, as with Sonic 4, not all buzzwords and catchphrases are accurate.
(S4's case: This is Sonic 4 as you truly imagined it. It wasn't)
The point I was trying to get across is that it's all marketing.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30353342]Accuracy wasn't the point, as with Sonic 4, not all buzzwords and catchphrases are accurate.
(S4's case: This is Sonic 4 as you truly imagined it. It wasn't)
The point I was trying to get across is that it's all marketing.[/QUOTE]
If you know that it's inaccurate, you should stop using it.
[QUOTE=Pepin;30353304]Actually pretty constantly, though they are major reforms but rather minor changes. There was actually a big reform put forward by Bush called the "Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act" or the MMA. I believe in 2007 democrats passed a a health care bill that extended the life of medicare and medicare by at least a decade, I don't know what bill that was but they did pass it. If you actually look history, there's been a lot of health care laws and reform being implemented gradually since the 1940's.
Here's a quick link that shows what I mean.
[url]http://healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?page_id=1647[/url]
I am willing to bet that you're going to say that these reforms weren't big enough, but that argument only works when you make the comparison to current proposals. My point is mainly that healthcare has gone under many reforms over time and the change has been rather gradual.[/QUOTE]
could call it obama's healthcare reform act
Glaber how do you feel about furries?
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or even better call it healthcare reform
[QUOTE=Glaber;30353342]Accuracy wasn't the point, as with Sonic 4, not all buzzwords and catchphrases are accurate.
(S4's case: This is Sonic 4 as you truly imagined it. It wasn't)
The point I was trying to get across is that it's all marketing.[/QUOTE]
Are you sane? You've mentioned Sonic 4 twice now in a thread about health care.
he also made the sonic megathread, sanity is out the window.
[QUOTE=Glaber;30353342]Accuracy wasn't the point, as with Sonic 4, not all buzzwords and catchphrases are accurate.
(S4's case: This is Sonic 4 as you truly imagined it. It wasn't)
The point I was trying to get across is that it's all marketing.[/QUOTE]
So you're just straight up admitting that you know your buzzwords are inaccurate bullshit, but you keep using them to mislead people into thinking you're right. That you're fine with lying to the American public and deliberately misrepresenting facts as long as you get your way.
I just want to get this straight, because that's what it sounds like.
[QUOTE=Xain777;30353481]he also made the sonic megathread, sanity is out the window.[/QUOTE]
Yet he claims to be 24.
But [url=http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?88302-Sonic-Republican-or-Democrat]Sonic is a Democrat![/url]
I think he's stuck on it because the last time Sonic the Hedgehog was popular, Ronald Reagan was still alive.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30353387]could call it obama's healthcare reform act[/QUOTE]
If there is one thing I lack, it is the ability to understand any of these semantic based arguments. In my opinion, it doesn't matter what it is called, as long as we can all agree to call it something that makes sense. For whatever reason Obamacare is what most everyone refers to the act as, not just Republicans, but Democrats, news anchors, most everyone. I think it is a far better use of time to discuss the act than the common name. I don't think the name matters, all I think matters is that we can all agree on a name that makes it easy to understand what is being referenced. If the argument is that the term Obamacare inherently has some negative aspect built into it, I don't really see that as being true because it is no different than saying "Obama's healthcare reform act".
I don't think discussion about terms is every productive.
Sonic is a libertarian obviously
Does he go to the government to get ring handouts when he's about to die? No, he goes and gets some himself.
Usa usa usa
he's also libertarian since he's for the gold standard.
[QUOTE=Pepin;30353705]If there is one thing I lack, it is the ability to understand any of these semantic based arguments. In my opinion, it doesn't matter what it is called, as long as we can all agree to call it something that makes sense. For whatever reason Obamacare is what most everyone refers to the act as, not just Republicans, but Democrats, news anchors, most everyone. I think it is a far better use of time to discuss the act than the common name. I don't think the name matters, all I think matters is that we can all agree on a name that makes it easy to understand what is being referenced. If the argument is that the term Obamacare inherently has some negative aspect built into it, I don't really see that as being true because it is no different than saying "Obama's healthcare reform act".
I don't think discussion about terms is every productive.[/QUOTE]
I hear republicans using the term almost exclusively.
Only problem with socialized healthcare is the wait times. At least in Canada it is.
[quote=Wiki]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Canada"]Health Canada[/URL], a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Canadian_federal_government"]federal department[/URL], publishes a series of surveys of the health care system in Canada based on Canadians first-hand experience of the health care system.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-Canadastat-52"][53][/URL]
Although life-threatening cases are dealt with immediately, some services needed are non-urgent and patients are seen at the next-available appointment in their local chosen facility.
The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting less than 90 days.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-Canadastat-52"][53][/URL]
The median wait time for diagnostic services such as MRI and CAT scans [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-53"][54][/URL] is two weeks with 86.4% waiting less than 90 days.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-Canadastat-52"][53][/URL]
The median wait time for surgery is four weeks with 82.2% waiting less than 90 days.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-Canadastat-52"][53][/URL]
Another study by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Fund"]Commonwealth Fund[/URL] found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 30 days (4 weeks) or more to see a specialist, broadly in line with the current official statistics. A quarter (24%) of all Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-54"][55][/URL]
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The longest I've ever had to wait for treatment was 1 1/2 weeks.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;30354250]Only problem with socialized healthcare is the wait times. At least in Canada it is.
The longest I've ever had to wait for treatment was 1 1/2 weeks.[/QUOTE]
I'd much rather have healthcare for all with some mildly troublesome wait times than have the broken down mess of system we have now.
[QUOTE=Nikota;30353541]Yet he claims to be 24.[/QUOTE]
biologically 24 and mentally 10
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