Judges sharply challenge healthcare law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30374895]If they are willing to work and actively looking for work, it won't bother me paying for it either. Like you said, it's the ones who sit around and do nothing, yet expect everything to be paid for and taken care of by our tax dollars who should be denied coverage.[/QUOTE] I don't mind those people getting healthcare. Hell, I wish I didn't have to work at a shit job everyday too. I almost envy them.

[QUOTE=amute;30375063]yawmen thinks everything is fine with the healthcare industry - nothing at all wrong. Nope.[/QUOTE] never said that at all nor did i imply it hell i didnt even hint at that saying something isnt as bad as you think doesnt mean that i approve of the system

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;30344749]Think of it this way. My religion prohibits me from purchasing insurance for whatever reason. Now the government requires me by law to buy it. That violates my freedom of religion by imposing a belief that i require something. [/QUOTE] My religion prohibits me from going to jail. or paying taxes.

[QUOTE=TH89;30352445]So...you're okay with using disingenuous rhetoric to mislead the American People to get what you want? Cool.[/QUOTE] Sounds exactly like every other Republican from where I'm standing

[QUOTE=analrapist;30375048]It's actually just as bad if not worse. My dad has worked in a hospital pharmacy for the last 30 years and you wouldn't believe the kinds of shit that drug companies give away to try to get pharmacists and doctors to promote their drugs. Probably about 25%-50% of the medication that people are taking in the USA right now is unnecessary, and some of it has even been proven to do more harm than good but the FDA approves it anyway. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBe1onjcCjA[/media] [b]EDIT:[/b] I know this video is really boring, but the point is that Statins are fucking POINTLESS and that they have almost zero positive effects. But guess what? Lipitor is a statin manufactured by Pfizer. By 2003 Lipitor had become the best-selling pharmaceutical in history, with Pfizer reporting annual sales of $12.4 billion in 2008. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin[/url][/QUOTE] ok point taken

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30375243]I don't mind those people getting healthcare. Hell, I wish I didn't have to work at a shit job everyday too. I almost envy them.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I work because I want a nice TV and to play video games and eat nice food and live in a nice apartment and don't want to live in the projects. I would like to not work, but the lifestyle of people who don't work is atrocious, even with the overly generous welfare in America.

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30375022]I was stating that the NEW bill was pushing for coverage of them, not the current plans in place now. The new bill was pushing for extended coverage to them.[/QUOTE] Where in the bill does it say this?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30375225]restrict people from hurting others, allow them to pursue their desire to accumulate wealth and fame and emotional satisfaction but as long as they arent destroying other people in the process[/QUOTE] How is that greed. [quote]raising a family comes from a greedy desire for love, acceptance, and passing on genetics(at a more subconscious level)[/quote]Love isn't... greedy. yeah, I'm done. You don't even know what greed is. [editline]10th June 2011[/editline] Every damn thread, you argue semantics.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30375400]Yeah. I work because I want a nice TV and to play video games and eat nice food and live in a nice apartment and don't want to live in the projects. I would like to not work, but the lifestyle of people who don't work is atrocious, even with the overly generous welfare in America.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that if welfare paid better I'd totally take it. Work sucks balls. We should automate everyone's jobs so we nobody has to work anymore. That would be awesome.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30375400]Yeah. I work because I want a nice TV and to play video games and eat nice food and live in a nice apartment and don't want to live in the projects. I would like to not work, but the lifestyle of people who don't work is atrocious, even with the overly generous welfare in America.[/QUOTE] YOU'RE GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY watch me argue semantics! [editline]10th June 2011[/editline] IT'S HEALTHY TO BE GREEDY THOUGH [editline]10th June 2011[/editline] even though what you're doing isn't actually greed it isss in myy eyes, BUT IT'S OKAY, it's healthy

[QUOTE=amute;30375456]How is that greed.[/QUOTE] because in reality all one needs is basic food, basic shelter, and some human contact greed is the desire for anything excessive or not needed, so desire for a new tv is greed, desire for a job that pays well is greed [quote][B]:[/B] a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/greed#"]money[/URL]) than is needed [/quote][quote]Love isn't... greedy. yeah, I'm done. You don't even know what greed is.[/quote]the desire for it is

[QUOTE=analrapist;30375400]I would like to not work, but the lifestyle of people who don't work is atrocious, even with the [B]overly generous welfare[/B] in America.[/QUOTE] Overly generous? What world have you been living on?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375437]Where in the bill does it say this?[/QUOTE] If you expect me to memorize what words are on what page, you may need to reconsider your logic. It's not really humanly possible, as the information I am sharing has been gained from watching various news channels, and doing research. Nor am I quoting directly, simply summarizing. Your request is invalid

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375533]Overly generous? What world have you been living on?[/QUOTE] The one where welfare queens in Oakland drive nicer cars than I do and have nicer government-subsidized cell phones than I do.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30375664]The one where welfare queens in Oakland drive nicer cars than I do and have nicer government-subsidized cell phones than I do.[/QUOTE] You have obviously made the wrong decision in getting a job.

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30375635]If you expect me to memorize what words are on what page, you may need to reconsider your logic. It's not really humanly possible, as the information I am sharing has been gained from watching various news channels, and doing research. Nor am I quoting directly, simply summarizing. Your request is invalid[/QUOTE] Alright, then surely you can at least tell us what news channels they were, and make some reference to whatever research you did. You can't just claim that something is in a bill without anything substantiating it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30375524]because in reality all one needs is basic food, basic shelter, and some human contact greed is the desire for anything excessive or not needed, so desire for a new tv is greed, desire for a job that pays well is greed the desire for it is[/QUOTE] [B]"Greed[/B] is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust"]lust[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluttony"]gluttony[/URL] - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation. However, greed is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power." It's a lot less than just wanting a TV. Nowhere does it say things that are excessive or not needed. So yeah, you don't know what greed is. Yawmen, you seem to think any monocrome of thought that is not instinct is somehow greed and there is no such thing as selflessness. That's simply fucking wrong in every ounce of the way and you should feel like an idiot for thinking such. [editline]10th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=analrapist;30375664]The one where welfare queens in Oakland drive nicer cars than I do and have nicer government-subsidized cell phones than I do.[/QUOTE] Welfare gives you the bare minimum.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375713]Alright, then surely you can at least tell us what news channels they were, and make some reference to whatever research you did. You can't just claim that something is in a bill without anything substantiating it.[/QUOTE] Fox News, CNN, even local news stations had various reports on it every once and a while.

[QUOTE=amute;30375731][B]"Greed[/B] is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed - like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust"]lust[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluttony"]gluttony[/URL] - is a sin of excess. Greed is inappropriate expectation. However, greed is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power." It's a lot less than just wanting a TV. [/quote] that definition is wrong [url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/greed[/url] [quote]Nowhere does it say things that are excessive or not needed. So yeah, you don't know what greed is. Yawmen, you seem to think any monocrome of thought that is not instinct is somehow greed and there is no such thing as selflessness. That's simply fucking wrong in every ounce of the way and you should feel like an idiot for thinking such. [/QUOTE] lol coming from the guy who doesnt know what greed and selfishness are

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30375769]Fox News, CNN, even local news stations had various reports on it every once and a while.[/QUOTE] Okay, one, most definitely don't trust Fox News when they report about this particular bill, they're especially biased against it. By that same token, be wary of MSNBC, as they're noticeably biased for it. Now then, what research did you do on your own?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375812]Okay, one, most definitely don't trust Fox News when they report about this particular bill, they're especially biased against it. By that same token, be wary of MSNBC, as they're noticeably biased for it. Now then, what research did you do on your own?[/QUOTE] CNN = More Liberal. Fox News = More Conservative. That's why I look at both, as it can give both sides. I do not really use MSNBC. On my own I've read various online articles from both Fox and CNN, other sites as well. I do not have links because I don't keep an archive of everything I read and this research was done when it was a MUCH larger issue within the media.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30375780]that definition is wrong[/QUOTE] Compelling argument. The one I quoted takes the definition from its origin as a biblical term, ranging from lust and gluttony. I think the origin of a word describes the word better than Miriam Webster. [editline]10th June 2011[/editline] (also, you're again, arguing semantics.)

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30375861]CNN = More Liberal. Fox News = More Conservative. That's why I look at both, as it can give both sides. I do not really use MSNBC. On my own I've read various online articles from both Fox and CNN, other sites as well. I do not have links because I don't keep an archive of everything I read and this research was done when it was a MUCH larger issue within the media.[/QUOTE] Okay, let me clarify that a bit. Fox News=Very Conservative CNN=Slight Liberal Slant MSNBC=Considerable Liberal Slant I'm just saying that Fox deliberately misinforms in their reports, so I wouldn't gleam what you consider accurate info from them. If that's where you got this notion that "the poors who refuse to work will use my tax dollars to get free healthcare!!", then it's most likely wrong. Either you don't remember where it was said in the bill, or just didn't read it.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30375929]Okay, let me clarify that a bit. Fox News=Very Conservative CNN=Slight Liberal Slant MSNBC=Considerable Liberal Slant I'm just saying that Fox deliberately misinforms in their reports, so I wouldn't gleam what you consider accurate info from them. If that's where you got this notion that "the poors who refuse to work will use my tax dollars to get free healthcare!!", then it's most likely wrong. Either you don't remember where it was said in the bill, or just didn't read it.[/QUOTE] If you don't mind me asking, where do you stand within the political parties? If you are a liberal, most are hellbent on convincing others that healthcare is more that it states. I'm not saying that you are doing that, but I would like to know your knowledge on this so that I can have something to compare to. Of course I did not read every bit of the bill, and I doubt many people did. I'm independent if it helps you to know..but I do have more conservative views on things as right now they have been displaying better ideas/views.

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30376030]If you don't mind me asking, where do you stand within the political parties? If you are a liberal, most are hellbent on convincing others that healthcare is more that it states. I'm not saying that you are doing that, but I would like to know your knowledge on this so that I can have something to compare to. Of course I did not read every bit of the bill, and I doubt many people did. I'm independent if it helps you to know..[/QUOTE] The problem is, people are making up things about the bill because they're scared of anything the democrats do.

[QUOTE=amute;30376162]The problem is, people are making up things about the bill because they're scared of anything the democrats do.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say scared of what they do, it's just being scared of the consequences from their decisions/ideas.

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30376030]If you don't mind me asking, where do you stand within the political parties? If you are a liberal, most are hellbent on convincing others that healthcare is more that it states. I'm not saying that you are doing that, but I would like to know your knowledge on this so that I can have something to compare to. Of course I did not read every bit of the bill, and I doubt many people did. I'm independent if it helps you to know..but I do have more conservative views on things as right now they have been displaying better ideas/views.[/QUOTE] I don't stand with one political party, that's short-sighted. I vote based on who the candidate is and what their own policies and leanings are.

Health Insurance and fixing issues with the industry is a something to be scared of?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30376279]I don't stand with one political party, that's short-sighted. I vote based on who the candidate is and what their own policies and leanings are.[/QUOTE] In a perfect world everyone would have those good views.. respect to you for a good debate. [QUOTE=amute;30376293]Health Insurance and fixing issues with the industry is a something to be scared of?[/QUOTE] Theoretically no, but the results from it yes. Longer wait times, less resources to treat illnesses due to influx of more patients. Higher taxes to pay for it, etc. Regarding industry, the way the whole government is spending isn't helping anything, and bailing out these huge companies instead of letting them fix themselves certainly doesn't help at all. I really do not agree with much the government is doing now-a-days.

[QUOTE=Angry Pineapple;30376424]Theoretically no, but the results from it yes. Longer wait times, less resources to treat illnesses due to influx of more patients. Higher taxes to pay for it, etc. Regarding industry, the way the whole government is spending isn't helping anything, and bailing out these huge companies instead of letting them fix themselves certainly doesn't help at all. I really do not agree with much the government is doing now-a-days.[/QUOTE] Except that even with private healthcare there are wait times, and not everyone has an adequate amount of resources to treat illness as is, so it's best to change it for the better. Higher tax fear is not even any argument, if you look at America's history, as recently as the 70s we had a ~70% income tax, and ~90% before that.