You know what does matter though? The price. And you're charging me more for less.
The selling point of cheap consoles isn't actually that their hardware is comparatively bad, it's that they're cheap. This much should be obvious.
If hardware doesnt matter, why should someone upgrade from 360 to One?
[QUOTE=Str4fe;41243766]If hardware doesnt matter, why should someone upgrade from 360 to One?[/QUOTE]
Reading the article helps I heard, could give it a try! You might even enjoy it.
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Yeah
The hardware specs are almost equal, with the only difference being Memory architecture, so yeah they aren't really going to matter all that much this generation.
xbox, bro gamers, and cawadoody are the cancer of the gaming world.
[QUOTE=Del91;41244327]The hardware specs are almost equal, with the only difference being Memory architecture, so yeah they aren't really going to matter all that much this generation.[/QUOTE]
Also a big thing for me which i found very useful is the ability for the PS4 to swap hard drive. 500 GB is a lot, but back in the day the 360 / PS3 was out 40-70 GB was considered enough.
[QUOTE=K5;41244346]xbox, bro gamers, and cawadoody are the cancer of the gaming world.[/QUOTE]
It might be awful but it isn't killing the industry. Somehow all of it still sells.
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[QUOTE=darth-veger;41244358]Also a big thing for me which i found very useful is the ability for the PS4 to swap hard drive. 500 GB is a lot but back in the day the 360 / PS3 was out, 40-70 GB was considered enough.[/QUOTE]
it took any 2.5' hdd, didn't it? might be wrong here
[QUOTE=K5;41244346]xbox, bro gamers, and cawadoody are the cancer of the gaming world.[/QUOTE]
nah, i think elitist gamers who judge other people based on their interests is "cancer" to gaming.
it seems to me that alot of people here don't understand how little specs mean in games. sure they're important, but games really don't need a processor over 1.5ghz, they don't need more than 3 gb of RAM(unless its a really poorly designed game), and how many GB of memory your gpu has is absolutely meaningless.
what does matter in graphical capability is the features loaded onto a gpu and how the developers design their games to accomodate it. the guy is right.
[QUOTE=The freeman;41233333]They are dumbasses for wanting better games instead of better hardware? Kind of like what Nintendo has done for the past 10 years?[/QUOTE]
Wanting good games is great, Saying hardware is meaningless is dumb, otherwise why go through all the expense and trouble to make such a powerful console rather than just keep what you had, if the hardware is so meaningless. What can the Xbox One do the 360 can't with a software update
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41233880]Good video but the N64 was clearly inferior when it came to media, not to mention it came out years later than the Playstation 1 (1994 vs mid-1996 and 1997 if you lived in Europe). The reason why the PSX won over the N64 was because of CD-Roms and the earlier release definitely helped. I mean, it was brilliant to use that format over cartridges because they held a lot more data, they allowed for higher resolution and higher quality content (sounds and textures mainly) and people could use their CDs without needing to buy a CD player (which was somewhat still obscure technology back in 1994/1995).[/QUOTE]
I was actually thinking about this the other day. And I realised, Sony are amazingly good at predicting what technology people will want to use more and more in their homes. The PS1 won the generation due to having CD capabilities and a robust library. Being able to play CDs in your home was still pretty fringe then, as you pointed out, the PS1 popularised it and gave you more than a CD player. The PS2 won its generation and had a DVD player, something that again, at the time wasn't as popular, a fair few people bought PS2s mainly for DVD use. The PS3 popularised Blu-ray but didn't really win this generation. People were buying them just to play Blu-ray movies. The PS4 doesn't seem to have much in this area other than a nice sounding digital media system. I wonder what Sony are including this time.
[QUOTE=ashxu;41232754]Can anyone name one generation where the console with the best hardware has won?
Specs don't win console wars, exclusives do.
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Every single generation since 4th gen the one with the best hardware has won
Gen 4, PC wins
Gen 5, PC wins
Gen 6, PC wins
Gen 7, PC wins
see?
[QUOTE=mblunk;41232838]It doesn't take a silicon engineer to know what system will be faster when they're nearly identical except one is simply an upgraded version of the other with more, faster RAM and much higher shader counts.[/QUOTE]I think he's just using the old "you're not an engineer" and "you haven't read every text ever written on the subject" arguments, which is a very arrogant attitude to have.
hes right though?????
I took his statement to be an acknowledgement that there is not too much difference between the current generation and the next generation. He uses '16 bit vs 32' to illustrate the point.
So he's saying there's no reason to obsess over the specs since the new Xbox is not a new level of hardware, it's more an improvement of the old level of hardware(ie more memory, faster graphics, more storage, etc). The hardware is evolutionary, not revolutionary.
This is why I mentioned in the other thread that I believe the first year or so of new games will just be the old games with better graphics. Developers are going to go for the quick and easy method. Larger textures, larger maps, more detailed models, more particles and physics...but the games themselves will play exactly the same. It's going to be awhile before developers learn to leverage the hardware to create a new gaming experience.
Boeing Exec: Engines aren't what's important on a plane
[QUOTE=Christarp3;41259555]hes right though?????[/QUOTE]I don't have a to read every text ever written on the silicon chip and have a degree in engineering to know which console has better specs. Microsoft are just ripping people off in a new and different way. "It's not about the hardware" = "We worked out a marketing strategy to flog low end hardware to unsuspecting consumer" . I'm not a console gamer, but I hate watching people get conned.
[QUOTE=Christarp3;41259555]hes right though?????[/QUOTE]
Ok seriously everyone who agrees with the concept of "hardware doesn't matter" please riddle me this:
Why do Sony and Microsoft bother to go through and develop a new console with better hardware if hardware doesn't matter?
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;41284194]Ok seriously everyone who agrees with the concept of "hardware doesn't matter" please riddle me this:
Why do Sony and Microsoft bother to go through and develop a new console with better hardware if hardware doesn't matter?[/QUOTE]
[img]http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12875849/jotain/moneytile.gif[/img]?
Hardware specs are pointless when you are setting the bottleneck for next gen games.
Want to know which kind of hardware spec is meaningless?
[img]http://drop.ndtv.com/albums/GADGETS/xboxonelaunch//xbox_one_05.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Groat;41259758]Boeing Exec: Engines aren't what's important on a plane[/QUOTE]
[VIDEO=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGTNffSEc4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGTNffSEc4[/VIDEO]
also correct; what's more important is the shape of the plane, and how the pilot uses it. not the power of the engine.
I'm pretty sure Sony has the next gen thing in the bag unless microsoft gets really lucky.
[QUOTE=Iago;41285768]I'm pretty sure Sony has the next gen thing in the bag unless microsoft gets really lucky.[/QUOTE]
what about N10 with the myriad of games they announced and the lower price point?
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;41284194]Ok seriously everyone who agrees with the concept of "hardware doesn't matter" please riddle me this:
Why do Sony and Microsoft bother to go through and develop a new console with better hardware if hardware doesn't matter?[/QUOTE]
did you even read the article
he's basically saying that the argument and debate about "which x!$!@$1515a v2 chip has more gigabytes??!?!" with consoles doesn't fucking matter.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;41284952]Want to know which kind of hardware spec is meaningless?
[img]http://drop.ndtv.com/albums/GADGETS/xboxonelaunch//xbox_one_05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]Who cares about how many transistors it has? Just name the chip.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;41307159]Who cares about how many transistors it has? Just name the chip.[/QUOTE]
Because 5 billion is a big number, and big numbers are impressive
Especially when you wave big impressive things in dumb peoples faces.
err...
[QUOTE=alien_guy;41284952]Want to know which kind of hardware spec is meaningless?
[img]http://drop.ndtv.com/albums/GADGETS/xboxonelaunch//xbox_one_05.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Shush! Everyone knows big numbers mean good things!
[sp]They could've at least given clock speed or something. I mean even that isn't perfect but it's better than fucking transistors.[/sp]
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