[QUOTE=Killer900;51355467]That theory about Trump just being boisterous and pandering to conservatives just to get the nomination and win the Presidency...[/QUOTE]
We can but dream.
Who knows, maybe Trump has been obfuscating stupidity this whole time just to earn a place of power so that he could turn around actually be progressive.
It's a nice fantasy to have, sure.
But until Trump comes out and announces that he's changed his mind and no longer wants to destroy civil liberties and livelihoods of millions of innocent people, I'm going to keep hoping he spontaneously combusts and takes Pence with him.
Hey, it [I]could[/I] happen, it's about as likely as Trump actually being a decent person!
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51355455]I'm amazed he decided to keep those parts of Obamacare. Maybe there's some hope everything won't be messed up completely.[/QUOTE]
He is a chaos candidate.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51355570]He is [B]the [/B]chaos [B]​president[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51355315]Repeal and [B]replace[/B].[/QUOTE]
Why not just fix the fucking thing using it's broken body as a foundation rather than tearing it up, leaving a huge gap for it to be wholly replaced with the same shit you guys used to suffer through?
You don't need to repeal legislation to improve it. Only idiots would tear down something that works as a solid foundation. The ACA enforcing things like unconditional coverage and so forth don't need removing to be "improved", the rest of the ACA that isn't working well just needs building on.
[QUOTE=Stolons;51355346]Good news for BDA[/QUOTE]
OvB, too. Thank god. While I still believe this is going to be a national trainwreck for our healthcare system, I'm glad I'll at least be able to get basic coverage. The ACA as a whole was not a great system, but that clause is absolutely critical.
Now, let's hope he actually follows through with his intent to keep it. Trump's words and his actions rarely seem to cooperate..
[QUOTE]He is the chaos ​president[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51355636][/QUOTE]
He will be like the tornado whipping through your town. Disaster or not, things going need to be cleaned up after the mess is made.
[QUOTE=rilez;51355369]Coverage for preexisting conditions and family coverage are probably the best parts of Obamacare.
Still doubt it's wise to deny people coverage who have been insured through the ACA, but at least there would be something left[/QUOTE]
Wait, what? Being insured through the ACA in the past will be grounds to deny coverage? On what possible justification? Tens of millions of people are insured through the ACA. Am I just misunderstanding this?
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51355636].[/QUOTE]
I enjoy that you left the "chaos" bit in tact.
Like, "that's MISTER Disaster, to you!"
It seems to me that the biggest flaw with ACA is that it doesn't really addres the issue of healthcare being reliant on insurance - only skirting around it. The only way universal healthcare will actually work is if a national health system (like our NHS) is set up and funded by taxpayers.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;51355526]Watch Trump end up being amazing after all.[/QUOTE]
Watching the extreme right shit themselves would be amazing.
He's not turning liberal, that's for sure. If I had to guess, Obama used some dialectic during their meeting to convince Trump which parts of the ACA would genuinely help people. Here's hoping he can convince him of more.
As far as I recall, Trump said he was for universal healthcare back in the 90s.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
He's been saying repeal and replace literally since day one.
Does anyone actually listen to what he says or...?
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51356019]I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
He's been saying repeal and replace literally since day one.
Does anyone actually listen to what he says or...?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but he actually had a healthcare plan up on his website - and it didn't mention retaining parts like this from the ACA as far as I'm aware. When someone says "repeal and replace" then mentions a bunch of stuff he will replace it with, but neglects to mention retaining a very major part of the thing he's repealing, it's pretty reasonable to assume that he isn't keeping that thing in. "Repeal" doesn't mean "also retaining major parts that I'm not gonna mention in my replacement".
[QUOTE=UziXxX;51356019]I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.
He's been saying repeal and replace literally since day one.
Does anyone actually listen to what he says or...?[/QUOTE]
"repeal and replace" has been the mantra for the Republicans since the ACA went into effect. "Replace" is an incredibly nebulous term as without a hint of what you'd be "replacing" it with, it means literally anything, from a full NHS-like system (good luck, considering Trump wants to cut taxes so hard your economy is going to be on shaky ground) to a totally laissez-faire system which will leave millions incapable of affording healthcare coverage at all.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51355342]What could this mean? I thought he and his party hated Obamacare? What kind of improvements have they suggested in the past?[/QUOTE]
He's still ditching the stuff that Republicans don't like, he's just keeping the stuff that everyone agrees was a good.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51356083]Perhaps I'm mistaken, but he actually had a healthcare plan up on his website - and it didn't mention retaining parts like this from the ACA as far as I'm aware. When someone says "repeal and replace" then mentions a bunch of stuff he will replace it with, but neglects to mention retaining a very major part of the thing he's repealing, it's pretty reasonable to assume that he isn't keeping that thing in. "Repeal" doesn't mean "also retaining major parts that I'm not gonna mention in my replacement".[/QUOTE]
Not to mention his debate responses. When Hillary specifically mentioned the pre-existing conditions and extended family coverage articles, and said those aspects of the ACA were very good and needed to be saved, Trump's response was to say that everything about the ACA was horrible and had to go.
Can you really tell us we should have assumed he meant everything other than these two clauses? Even now that he has come out in support of keeping them, however, I still don't exactly feel comfortable. Trump's words mean nothing. His promises have no value whatsoever. I [I]hope[/I] he's serious about it, and maybe he even [I]is[/I] serious about it -- today. As for tomorrow? Who the hell knows. We're just going to have to wait and see. Trump isn't a wildcard because he plays by his own rules, he's a wildcard because he makes the rules up as he goes, and changes them at will.
it tells you something when trump is going back on most of his campaign promises
[I]before he's in the whitehouse[/I]
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
although thats not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe his advisers are finally getting through to him.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51356124]it tells you something when trump is going back on most of his campaign promises
[I]before he's in the whitehouse[/I]
[editline]11th November 2016[/editline]
although thats not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe his advisers are finally getting through to him.[/QUOTE]
God, you just cannot win with some people. Ignoring the fact that he has consistently said repeal and replace and even took hits in the primary debates for standing up to Cruz and saying he would refuse to let people die in the streets without adequate healthcare, you're actually complaining that he plans to do something good for the country. Get over it.
[QUOTE=srobins;51356143]God, you just cannot win with some people. Ignoring the fact that he has consistently said repeal and replace and even took hits in the primary debates for standing up to Cruz and saying he would refuse to let people die in the streets without adequate healthcare, you're actually complaining that he plans to do something good for the country. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that though? Him toning down his hardline policies is a good thing. Its just a worrying thing when a politician goes back on their word, regardless of how good a thing that is.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51356152]I'm not saying that though? Him toning down his hardline policies is a good thing. Its just a worrying thing when a politician goes back on their word, regardless of how good a thing that is.[/QUOTE]
But he hasn't? He never said he was just going to nuke Obamacare and call it a day, it has always been repeal and replace as far as I've heard.
I'm still fucked if the Medicaid expansion gets shuttered. Without that, I wouldn't have any insurance. And if I don't have insurance, I don't get my meds that I practically need to live...
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;51356181]I'm still fucked if the Medicaid expansion gets shuttered. Without that, I wouldn't have any insurance. And if I don't have insurance, I don't get my meds that [B]I practically need to live...[/B][/QUOTE]
so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole
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What if trump is actually a closet socialist? Who knows what he will do in the future
[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356223]so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole[/QUOTE]
what is up with this post?
[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356223]so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole[/QUOTE]
Yeah what a narcissistic wanting not to die due to trump shitty policies, can you believe how selfish some people can be?
Oh what a interesting join date.
[QUOTE=srobins;51356162]But he hasn't? He never said he was just going to nuke Obamacare and call it a day, it has always been repeal and replace as far as I've heard.[/QUOTE]
Hes not repealing it though hes modifying it.
[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356223]so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole[/QUOTE]
Well, [I]yeah[/I].
[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356223]so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole[/QUOTE]
A democracy works by people looking after their collective self interest and voting for what is in their best interest. If it didn't then it wouldn't serve the people.
convieniantly those are the bits that do require a filibuster proof majority to repeal...
[QUOTE=srobins;51356162]But he hasn't? He never said he was just going to nuke Obamacare and call it a day, it has always been repeal and replace as far as I've heard.[/QUOTE]
"Repeal and replace" does not inherently imply that he's going to save any aspects of it though. "Replace" doesn't mean "replace with something similar" or "replace with something that has a few of the same clauses."
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