[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51355917]He's not turning liberal, that's for sure. If I had to guess, Obama used some dialectic during their meeting to convince Trump which parts of the ACA would genuinely help people. Here's hoping he can convince him of more.[/QUOTE]
It's not even really a "liberal" position, many conservatives have toyed with the idea too, such as Romney. Being a conservative doesn't allow you to flat-out neglect reality, it just means you're highly skeptical of tinkering with things and many have noticed that it actually has a lot of merit as a system.
Also, I hope repeal and replace actually becomes modify. Throwing out Obamacare actually will be pretty expensive in the meantime as a new system is conjured up, as there will be some savings from doing it, but more costs as the parts of obamacare that saved the government even more money than it spent on the subsidies are gone.
[QUOTE=freaka;51356230]What if trump is actually a closet socialist? Who knows what he will do in the future[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that make him a National Socialist then? :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51356492]Wouldn't that make him a National Socialist then? :v:[/QUOTE]
Day 1: He passes an executive order ending private ownership and instituting syndicalism, debs smiles in his grave.
Immediately after: People call him a national socialist, and he says "no, I'm ~actually~ a socialist that just happens to believe in strong nations and borders!" and then it hits him that Hitler laid the perfect trap 80 years ago by claiming the name. Privatization happens again and Trump winds up like Rosa Luxemburg.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51355730]Wait, what? Being insured through the ACA in the past will be grounds to deny coverage? On what possible justification? Tens of millions of people are insured through the ACA. Am I just misunderstanding this?[/QUOTE]
Erm, bad phrasing maybe. All I meant was that people will likely end up losing coverage under whatever replacement he puts forward. Last I heard, it was something you pay into.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51356349]"Repeal and replace" does not inherently imply that he's going to save any aspects of it though. "Replace" doesn't mean "replace with something similar" or "replace with something that has a few of the same clauses."[/QUOTE]
It also doesn't imply that every single aspect of Obamacare is going to be placed on a blacklist and forbidden from ever becoming law ever again. It's stupid to whine about him "flip flopping" just for saying he'll retain the good parts of an otherwise shit piece of legislation.
Honestly we may as well just make a new thread titled "Trump Continues to Backpedal on Campaign Promises" and call it a day. We're clearly going to be seeing a lot of this kind of behavior in the near future.
[QUOTE=srobins;51356571]It also doesn't imply that every single aspect of Obamacare is going to be placed on a blacklist and forbidden from ever becoming law ever again. It's stupid to whine about him "flip flopping" just for saying he'll retain the good parts of an otherwise shit piece of legislation.[/QUOTE]
I don't think a anybody person here is trying to say otherwise. I'm not, at least. [I]Other[/I] comments Trump has made [I]have[/I] made it sound very much as if he intended to simply scrap everything, however. His debate response to this subject, for example, was to say that "Obamacare is a disaster"
and that there was nothing good about it and that it all needed to be thrown away.
[QUOTE=nepnepnep;51356223]so your whole thought process is based upon what you need and not what might be best for society as a whole[/QUOTE]
You can still have a vested interest in the well being of your country and not want to die, what a twisted thing to insinuate.
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