• Parents Who Shun Vaccines Tend To Cluster, Boosting Children's Risk
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[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;46980231]The study that says vaccines cause autism and shit was performed by a doctor that was later struck off and the study itself was removed after he said it was bullshit. Anti-vaccers are knuckle dragging retards, there is an actual mountain of science in favour of vaccines and nearly nothing against them, they're morons because they want to believe vaccines are evil. Also get out my face with that false equivalency shit.[/QUOTE] Ok a little less pathetic, but still pathetic [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Once again being really dumb in SH threads. Learn to actually debate with LOGIC or stay out of this section." - postal))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Megadave;46980479]Ok a little less pathetic, but still pathetic[/QUOTE] No they're not, people are getting preventable illnesses because some people are screaming retards and other people are pointing out just exactly why they're retarded and putting their childs life in danger, how is that pathetic? Have you ever held a reasonable opinion about anything? Cause I'm gonna be honest almost every post of yours I've seen is along these lines.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46979495]I'd like to believe anyones mind can be changed. That, besides chemical changes in the brain, anyone can be convinced.[/QUOTE] if we can't change their mind then surely rehabilitation will get positive results
Simple, have public and private schools require up to date vaccinations if you want your kid to go there.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46980479]Ok a little less pathetic, but still pathetic[/QUOTE] No one needs to reason with you if you're just going to call people pathetic and not give an actual solution to the problem. You can be all high and mighty you want but you're just as lowbrow if not worse than the people you're demeaning, and you're hilariously just as non-productive.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46980972]No one needs to reason with you if you're just going to call people pathetic and not give an actual solution to the problem. You can be all high and mighty you want but you're just as lowbrow if not worse than the people you're demeaning, and you're hilariously just as non-productive.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, threatening parents with taking their children away isn't pathetic. I gave my solution, yet everyone seems keen on everything short of executing the parents.
And I've told you that your solution of just "telling them not to do that" and "teaching them" is stuff that's already done. If you can't take care of your kids, you don't deserve your kids. I have tons of experience regarding my friends and their incompetent parents. Parents can be the most destructive if not the most destructive influence to a child.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46979495]I'd like to believe anyones mind can be changed. That, besides chemical changes in the brain, anyone can be convinced.[/QUOTE] People DO change their minds, it's just that sometimes the only thing that does it is personal experience. Ronald Reagan, as governor and President, was very much against mental health care. His take was if people would just stop doing drugs and get jobs(cause they're lazy unemployed druggies), then the mental health problem would disappear. Nancy Reagan didn't lead a call for more funding towards mental health, not when she was First Lady. Later, after her husband had a mental health issue, she was leading a call for stem cell research! That's something her conservative positions and supporters were absolutely against. Why? Because now she had personal experience, it wasn't all just theoretical political posturing, it was real life to her. Nothing changes your mind faster than being slapped in the face by reality.
[QUOTE=archangel125;46979491]Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're talking about vaccination for major diseases and not a yearly flu vaccine or something, right? I'm vaccinated myself, but there's something to be said for not overusing antibiotics when it's not putting your kid at major risk. [editline]21st January 2015[/editline] Then again, maybe I'm getting vaccines and antibiotics mixed in my head.[/QUOTE] Yeah, vaccines aren't antibiotics. Antibiotics are drugs which are used to fight bacteria after they've infected a host. Vaccines are dead/attenuated viruses which are essentially used to train the host immune system into recognizing a virus (an entirely different form of life from a bacterium that isn't affected by antibiotics) so that it can fight it off with a powerful response before the host is properly infected. Thus there are no risks of breeding super-viruses with heavy vaccine use like there is of breeding resistant bacteria from overuse/misuse of antibiotics. In fact, it's significantly safer to vaccinate heavily because less viable hosts means a virus literally adapts more slowly, if it's not brought to a standstill. There might be specific risks to people with certain medical conditions or in certain age groups, I'm not up on the nitty-gritty specifics, but overall vaccines are a pretty great thing.
It should be illegal and considered abuse to not vaccinate your children. Denying a child who can't make a decision for themselves a potentially [I]life saving[/I] and inexpensive procedure is just cruel IMO.
Fucking morons. This is why there is a measles problem going on right now in orange county.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;46979360]It's child abuse, plain and simple. If a preventable illness causes severe harm, or death because of a parents ignorance.. then the parent(s) should be chemically castrated, and sentenced to life in prison.[/QUOTE] so is this an argument in favor of eugenics or
[QUOTE=Cone;46981572]so is this an argument in favor of eugenics or[/QUOTE] I think you're aware that this is more than a slight misrepresentation of his statement
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46981130]And I've told you that your solution of just "telling them not to do that" and "teaching them" is stuff that's already done. If you can't take care of your kids, you don't deserve your kids. I have tons of experience regarding my friends and their incompetent parents. Parents can be the most destructive if not the most destructive influence to a child.[/QUOTE] Then the next best thing I can think of is to chemically castrate those who are proven by several psychologist to be psychologically unfit to raise children. Better to not have children at all then have them and have them taken away. Avoid the middleman.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46981595]I think you're aware that this is more than a slight misrepresentation of his statement[/QUOTE] i don't see the necessity of the chemical castration beyond some kind of weird symbolic gesture though? not like they're gonna have more kids while in prison
Let [God] sort'em out
[QUOTE=Cone;46981687]i don't see the necessity of the chemical castration beyond some kind of weird symbolic gesture though? not like they're gonna have more kids while in prison[/QUOTE] I genuinely thought the mention of castration was a joke. I do believe anti-vaxxers don't deserve to have children, though.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46981654]Then the next best thing I can think of is to chemically castrate those who are proven by several psychologist to be psychologically unfit to raise children. Better to not have children at all then have them and have them taken away. Avoid the middleman.[/QUOTE] "Oh it seems you have (x) you can't have kids." Feel free to fill in the x with literally anything that people find unsavoury, which can be literally anything. For realz now yo, man, how do people come to these conclusions? How did you look at this situation and say, yeah chemical castration for the psychologically unfit without thinking about how ludicrously fucking batshit that idea is.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;46981925]"Oh it seems you have (x) you can't have kids." Feel free to fill in the x with literally anything that people find unsavoury, which can be literally anything. For realz now yo, man, how do people come to these conclusions? How did you look at this situation and say, yeah chemical castration for the psychologically unfit without thinking about how ludicrously fucking batshit that idea is.[/QUOTE] I said several psychologist, so as to not get a fucking biased opinion, and this is only if they want to have children.
[QUOTE=Megadave;46981963]I said several psychologist, so as to not get a fucking biased opinion, and this is only if they want to have children.[/QUOTE] Hey remember when psychologists were performing lobotomies on the clinically insane for funsies? Oh those were great times right? Oh actually how about the time folk in the US were being forcibly sterilised? They truly were the best of times right? [quote]The United States was the first country to concertedly undertake compulsory sterilization programs for the purpose of eugenics.[44] The heads of the program were avid believers in eugenics and frequently argued for their program. It was shut down due to ethical problems. The principal targets of the American program were the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, people with epilepsy, and the physically deformed.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States[/url] Ha! Look what the first link of that paragraph is! [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States[/url] Again how do you people even come to the conclusion that forced sterilisation is okay, ever. Seriously I can't get it, it's so far removed from my thought processes man it's just straight up alien.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;46979360] then the parent(s) should be chemically castrated, and sentenced to life in prison.[/QUOTE] What the fuck, why would anyone agree with this You people are fucking barbaric
Point being, I should just keep my mouth shut. Anytime I try to agree with one side another side comes out for blood.
Y'know I used to think antivaccers were just misinformed morons, but it turns they are actualy fucking crazy conspiracy nuts. A bunch think vaccines are made up bullshit so pharmaceutical companies can get money, or worse that they are like mind control drugs pushed by the government. There is nobody I hate more than antivaccers and conspiracy theorists, [i]turns out they're the same![/i]
[QUOTE=Megadave;46982974]Point being, I should just keep my mouth shut. Anytime I try to agree with one side another side comes out for blood.[/QUOTE] Just because your views might be argued with doesn't mean "keep your mouth shut" to me it means you either need to justify your views better or you need to examine your views in more detail to see if they align with our best guesses at reality. [editline]21st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;46981687]i don't see the necessity of the chemical castration beyond some kind of weird symbolic gesture though? not like they're gonna have more kids while in prison[/QUOTE] I honestly thought that was a joke
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46982914]What the fuck, why would anyone agree with this You people are fucking barbaric[/QUOTE] It's a hyperbole.
Birds of an idiot feather...
[QUOTE=Pyroknight;46983371][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/il85o4w.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] some people still think things are toxic because of the substance, and not the quantity of that substance?
[QUOTE=Megadave;46979453]So you guys like to just shit on anti-vaxxers, instead of trying to convince them with vital information. You people are just as pathetic as the anti-vaxxers.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and who have you convinced? If no one, then you are just as pathetic as the anti-vaxxers! Your words, not mine. More importantly. I don't give a fuck about a persons beliefs especially if comes down to having your child vaccinated. You believe in god so you wont have your child vaccinated? GET YOUR FUCKING CHILD VAXXED! You don't believe in medicine or science? BIG FUCKING DEAL! Y'know? I just hate those sort of "I don't care what happens" attitude. Or the flimsy "I don't trust doctors" mentality. That's just so fucking dumb, why risk it?
[QUOTE=Megadave;46981039]I'm sorry, threatening parents with taking their children away isn't pathetic. I gave my solution, yet everyone seems keen on everything short of executing the parents.[/QUOTE] You're right, letting them get diseases and suffer is far better. How could we be so blind?
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