Parents Who Shun Vaccines Tend To Cluster, Boosting Children's Risk
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[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47008006]I'm not denying its effectiveness, I'm just saying that people who choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be called "scum who spread disease" because they really aren't. If the child wants a vaccine then he can get it. But if the mother feels that it's better to skip the vaccines due to risks of early exposure and potential harm shouldn't be slandered for doing so[/QUOTE]
For someone who can't be vaccinated due to a compromised immune system, if they do come in contact with these diseases it's a death sentence.
It's easy for someone who's healthy to say, "I'm more likely to die in a car accident." But that's a giant middle finger to those who aren't healthy.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47008006]I'm not denying its effectiveness, I'm just saying that people who choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be called "scum who spread disease" because they really aren't. If the child wants a vaccine then he can get it. But if the mother feels that it's better to skip the vaccines due to risks of early exposure and potential harm shouldn't be slandered for doing so[/QUOTE]
choosing not to be vaccinated is a stupid idea. It weakens the whole system. You were saying how you and your family couldn't take it due to medical reasons. That is different than choosing not to get it when you can. Those people, making that choice, are wrong and are endangering other people with their inaction.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;47006397]If this was true why would we even use vaccines in the first place?[/QUOTE]
So duh governments can control you! (sarcasm)
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47008006]I'm not denying its effectiveness, I'm just saying that people who choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be called "scum who spread disease" because they really aren't. If the child wants a vaccine then he can get it. But if the mother feels that it's better to skip the vaccines due to risks of early exposure and potential harm shouldn't be slandered for doing so[/QUOTE]
The vaccine isn't for the person getting vaccinated asshole it's for the people who can't get the vaccination, so that less people get the virus or disease and thus less people come into contact with those who have no immunity.
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47008006]I'm not denying its effectiveness, I'm just saying that people who choose not to be vaccinated shouldn't be called "scum who spread disease" because they really aren't. If the child wants a vaccine then he can get it. But if the mother feels that it's better to skip the vaccines due to risks of early exposure and potential harm shouldn't be slandered for doing so[/QUOTE]
No, people who don't vaccinate their kids (unless there are medical reasons not to) are literally scum.
There is no defending them, they willingly choose to risk the sickness and death of their own and other children just because of their petty mindset.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;47008961]So duh governments can control you! (sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
My mother honestly believes this, lol. She gets completely baffled when I try to point out that even if the government was trying to do that they'd be far too incompetent to manage it, let alone keep it secret with the sheer amount of people outside the government who would be required to be in on it.
[quote]But if the mother [b]feels[/b] that[/quote]
This is what we get when we teach a generation that feels is the most important thing in the whole wide world.
How a mother could "feel" such a thing is beyond me. Unless she is, of course, a trained medical professional who can act pragmatically. Then again, from what we keep seeing people who oppose vaccination seem to have a hard time grasping the concept of disease and how vaccines work in the first place.
I honestly wonder why they still believe that vaccines cause autism or can cause it. Isn't it kinda like a lottery, or based off of luck/chance that you would get autism when you are young?
Wasn't there a site that details how it can cause it? But why would you shun vaccines, they help you fight diseases, I would rather have that instead of getting really sick.
I'm all for vaccines to help evolve science. But we cannot escape the fact that using such methods to cheat nature are going to have bad side effects. We need to face the fact that as a species we are very unhealthy and highly polluted. If more energy was focused on the body and immune system. As-well as overall diet. I wonder how far humans would go socially due to the increased vitality.
I agree on vaccinating on the dangerous diseases but like that "swine-flu" a few years ago, remember that. I got fucking narcolepsy and catalepsy from that shit vaccine and it was just a regular flu. Thanks Obama
[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47007761](I've known people who have gotten the disease from the vaccine)[/QUOTE]
Because their immune systems aren't as strong as most people's. And that's why most everyone else should get vaccinated, because then those people get immunity as well.
Got my fucking money yesterday for the government fucking me up
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47012296]I'm all for vaccines to help evolve science. But we cannot escape the fact that using such methods to cheat nature are going to have bad side effects. We need to face the fact that as a species we are very unhealthy and highly polluted. If more energy was focused on the body and immune system. As-well as overall diet. I wonder how far humans would go socially due to the increased vitality.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the immune system. If only there was some way to bolster it. Somehow make it better at fighting diseases.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47012449]Ah yes, the immune system. If only there was some way to bolster it. Somehow make it better at fighting diseases.[/QUOTE]
Well it's meant to be an immune system against diseases. if one gets sick mild virus to cancer in nature they'd be vulnerable to others or die. Natural selection as i understand it wants only the fittest, strongest what in turn provide the best equilibrium to nature. So if someone gets sick in a western city of a disease. It's natures ways of saying your not living to the laws of nature you species should be abiding by. So the question is if we're getting sick as a species globally, what are we doing wrong? As i say vaccines are interesting, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that all what we do and tell our children must be wrong for health.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47015208]Well it's meant to be an immune system against diseases. if one gets sick mild virus to cancer in nature they'd be vulnerable to others or die. Natural selection as i understand it wants only the fittest, strongest what in turn provide the best equilibrium to nature. So if someone gets sick in a western city of a disease. It's natures ways of saying your not living to the laws of nature you species should be abiding by. So the question is if we're getting sick as a species globally, what are we doing wrong? As i say vaccines are interesting, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that all what we do and tell our children must be wrong for health.[/QUOTE]
So I guess we should purge all technology and return to a time when the average life-span was 40 years?
I can't understand how someone can support eugenics and fail to realize that they too are living much longer and healthier than if left to natural selection.
If something's treatable, what does it matter whether a person has it or not? It's no longer a detriment.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47015208]Well it's meant to be an immune system against diseases. if one gets sick mild virus to cancer in nature they'd be vulnerable to others or die. Natural selection as i understand it wants only the fittest, strongest what in turn provide the best equilibrium to nature. So if someone gets sick in a western city of a disease. It's natures ways of saying your not living to the laws of nature you species should be abiding by. So the question is if we're getting sick as a species globally, what are we doing wrong? As i say vaccines are interesting, but it doesn't take a genius to work out that all what we do and tell our children must be wrong for health.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, no.
The reason our health is lowering(Which is actually NOT true, we're at better health than ever before so your idea that we're getting worse is wrong right off the bat) is because of lack of knowledge. The only thing that's happening to our health that is a concern globally is our over use of antibiotics. What is happening otherwise though is that we're learning more and more how to "beat" nature because the lives we lived in nature were not actually that good for us.
Honestly, I just hate points of views like yours because it discounts, ignores, and discredits all of human scientific and medical achievements. it also bends ancient history in such a way that is unrepresentative of what the actual history was like. All in all it's a more or less ignorant view point.
Well what is the definition of health? Is health not being on a doctor described medicine. If a man had no disease of health issues but couldn't get or maintain an erection. Would he be healthy. Even if the problem was psychological isn't that a unhealthy mental state? Getting rid of technology would show humans up for a very sick infertile race. Nature would wipe out the human species very fast because nature wants animals what work with it and give back to nature just as much as it takes from it. Think of fertilizing the soil and spreading seeds for more plants with faeces. So the question is why does nature want us dead so bad. Maybe we're getting sick not because we have to, but because it's a punishment for our lack of wisdom of health. that'd explain man's vicious persistent need to control and manipulate nature. Humanity has done great things for humanity, but has it really done much for earth and our atmosphere. Based on the evidence of things within society and our planet, I'd say we're children. Sickness, and everything to even low solemn moods are natures way of telling us were not doing what we need to be doing to truly feel happy.
No nature is just rough and our way around that is our ingenuity. The world you imagine does not exist. All the things we do for our health or otherwise is better than anything we've ever had before.
Makes them easy to target with weaponized forms of the vaccine I guess
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47015466]Well what is the definition of health? Is health not being on a doctor described medicine. If a man had no disease of health issues but couldn't get or maintain an erection. Would he be healthy. Even if the problem was psychological isn't that a unhealthy mental state? Getting rid of technology would show humans up for a very sick infertile race. Nature would wipe out the human species very fast because nature wants animals what work with it and give back to nature just as much as it takes from it. Think of fertilizing the soil and spreading seeds for more plants with faeces. So the question is why does nature want us dead so bad.[/quote]
Because nature is a bitch, that's why.
[quote]Every single species given access to the best medical care science has to offer lives SIGNIFICANTLY longer than it did in nature. It stays healthy and happy longer, it stays active longer, and in general just lives better.[/quote]
Left to natures devices, as you suggest, the average human would live to maybe forty. Forty. Four Zero. And they'd look 80, they'd feel 90, and they'd die of things that a modern 40 year old need not even think about. It is because of medical science that we can live into our 80s, our 90s, that we can retain youthful vigor and vitality well into our 50s when before we'd be hard pressed to simply live that long.
We're winning the battle against nature. We're healthier than we ever have been.
[quote]Maybe we're getting sick not because we have to, but because it's a punishment for our lack of wisdom of health.[/quote]
We're wiser than nature in so many ways it's laughable.
Why do so many people care about health and people living longer and yet are spending time trying to argue with me or go out of their ways to rate my posts. If one did really care about vaccines and curing human disease why are you not studying to be a scientist or biologist. I hear you say not everyone wants to be that profession. We just care about it how it affects us. We don't care enough to do anything about it we don't care 100%. Nature tests us. It is our health what prevails. tricking the test doesn't trick nature it only will trick ourselves. If we're tricking ourselves with medicines to survive and that's the reason we see ourselves as living longer, healthier, even happier lives. Aren't we not tricking ourselves in what health and vitality really is. If we go out of our way to keep people alive against natures odds, aren't we just as prone to a skewed perception. I mean saying healthy people get sick is a oxymoron. Nature doesn't want unhealthy creatures on earth.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47019038]Why do so many people care about health and people living longer and yet are spending time trying to argue with me or go out of their ways to rate my posts. If one did really care about vaccines and curing human disease why are you not studying to be a scientist or biologist. I hear you say not everyone wants to be that profession. We just care about it how it affects us. We don't care enough to do anything about it we don't care 100%. Nature tests us. It is our health what prevails. tricking the test doesn't trick nature it only will trick ourselves. If we're tricking ourselves with medicines to survive and that's the reason we see ourselves as living longer, healthier, even happier lives. Aren't we not tricking ourselves in what health and vitality really is. If we go out of our way to keep people alive against natures odds, aren't we just as prone to a skewed perception. I mean saying healthy people get sick is a oxymoron. Nature doesn't want unhealthy creatures on earth.[/QUOTE]
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I hear you mean, we gotta commune with nature and shit, or we're going to die just like the spruce bark beetles!
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I hear you mean, we gotta commune with nature and shit, or we're going to die just like the spruce bark beetles![/QUOTE]
Yes we should. Your're nature. You don't need to be moronic here. You don't have to be a hippy to appreciate and work with nature, just a sane human being.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47019263]Your are nature. Don't need to be moronic here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47019038] I mean saying healthy people get sick is a oxymoron. Nature doesn't want unhealthy creatures on earth.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you go say this to a parent of a child with cancer or some terminal illness. I think then you would understand why most of us here care about healthcare and medicine. Also, I'm betting that this opinion of yours would flip around if you get sick. It wouldn't be nice if the world just let you die because "it's just what nature wanted."
[QUOTE=da space core;47019269]I suggest you go say this to a parent of a child with cancer or some terminal illness. I think then you would understand why most of us here care about healthcare and medicine. Also, I'm betting that this opinion of yours would flip around if you get sick. It wouldn't be nice if the world just let you die because "it's just what nature wanted."[/QUOTE]
Yes if they're sick i'd call them unhealthy and by natures laws unhealthy creatures must evolve or die. People say they care about healthcare but their actions are contradictory. Most people are happy to watch people suffer it's why they have casual conversations about related topics on discussion boards. It's casual caring and it's only casual caring because they are effected by it. People don't care if others die of terminal illnesses or there's no vaccines. They only care if they're affected. The parents in this article. No one cares about they're view points, or vaccinations, they just care if it's something they have to deal with. Well what's your definition of the world, and nice are you talking in terms of societies, humanity or mother nature.
One day you're gonna be 18 or something and facepalm at the insane pseudo-intellectual personification of nature drivil you've been spewing
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47019394]One day you're gonna be 18 or something and facepalm at the insane pseudo-intellectual personification of nature drivil you've been spewing[/QUOTE]
Well I've learnt that being insane and "pseudo-intellectual" in this world currently is one of ways you know your actually sane and clever. The question is is my stuff wrong or do you label it in angry ways to help you cope with what it might be saying.
You're just too good a laugh to stop you
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47021731]Well I've learnt that being insane and "pseudo-intellectual" in this world currently is one of ways you know your actually sane and clever. The question is is my stuff wrong or do you label it in angry ways to help you cope with what it might be saying.[/QUOTE]
There's questioning stuff, and then there's just being retarded and you're definitely being the latter.
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