Parents Who Shun Vaccines Tend To Cluster, Boosting Children's Risk
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[QUOTE=Lui2112;47019263]Yes we should. Your're nature. You don't need to be moronic here. You don't have to be a hippy to appreciate and work with nature, just a sane human being.[/QUOTE]
That went so over your head its in orbit around a planet in the Andromeda galaxy
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47021731]Well I've learnt that being insane and "pseudo-intellectual" in this world currently is one of ways you know your actually sane and clever. The question is is my stuff wrong or do you label it in angry ways to help you cope with what it might be saying.[/QUOTE]
If you're so devices-for-humanity-are-unnatural, what are you doing on a computer?
What if they made a vaccine that prevented autism and their heads exploded
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47021731]Well I've learnt that being insane and "pseudo-intellectual" in this world currently is one of ways you know your actually sane and clever. The question is is my stuff wrong or do you label it in angry ways to help you cope with what it might be saying.[/QUOTE]
No, it's pseudo-intellectual and insane because your worldview is mishmash of naturalistic fallacies and a crude understanding of nature that you use to justify some baffling series of non sequiturs about what people should do and how the world works. Oh, and I just preformed a druidic ritual to commune with mother nature, and she told be you would have been the first to be eaten by a predator.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47015466]Nonsense[/QUOTE]
lolwut, dude, we evolved this way. you're right in one way, we are part of nature, and we have filled our own niche in nature, which is to construct in order to survive. Those concrete walls sheltering you may not have formed naturally, but they have just as much of a right to be there as a tree. If animals are going extinct because of us, then too bad for them, they should've evolved to better suit the nature we're making.
We're not "sick" in any kind of way we were subject to these "laws of nature" you're driveling about when we were actually still part of the "natural environment" being exposed and all that shit. All these things we made is because it's natural for us to make things. in a "Survival of the Fittest" scenario, an animal that lives longer can have more babies, and that's exactly what we're doing. Plus, we're social animals, so we care for each other, and medicine seems to do exactly that. In our case, survival of the fittest for social animals apply to how well they work together, not how tough or "In equilibrium" we are with nature.
You know what happens to a landscape if Elk don't have wolves hunting them? They strip the landscape of grasses and shrubs, effectively destroying their environment, heck, every animal and plant WILL make things absolute shit for everything else if there wasn't something regulating them, like wolves with elk. We are on the absolute top, we have a population of billions, WE change environments, and you know what that makes us in your bogus "Laws of Nature"? That makes us the most god damn successful animals on earth. If Mother Nature was a woman, she would be proud of us.
Fuck that got me so mad I was shaking. How stupid can a person actually be? I'll just assume you're trolling, but that seriously infuriated me, I had to vent.
My parents are anti-vaxxers which means they don't want/allow me to get vaccines, not feeling so safe here.
[QUOTE=Nicolay;47031195]My parents are anti-vaxxers which means they don't want/allow me to get vaccines, not feeling so safe here.[/QUOTE]
As soon as you can legally chose to have them, go to your doctor.
[QUOTE=Nicolay;47031195]My parents are anti-vaxxers which means they don't want/allow me to get vaccines, not feeling so safe here.[/QUOTE]
Get them unless you want to die at 30.
[QUOTE=andololol;47031147]You know what happens to a landscape if Elk don't have wolves hunting them? They strip the landscape of grasses and shrubs, effectively destroying their environment, heck, every animal and plant WILL make things absolute shit for everything else if there wasn't something regulating them, like wolves with elk. We are on the absolute top, we have a population of billions, WE change environments, and you know what that makes us in your bogus "Laws of Nature"? That makes us the most god damn successful animals on earth. If Mother Nature was a woman, she would be proud of us.[/QUOTE]
If you wanna get technical the fact we consciously limit our effect on the ecosystem as much as we do is unnatural considering we're the only species we know of that does so under Lui's logic.
[QUOTE]Fuck that got me so mad I was shaking. How stupid can a person actually be? I'll just assume you're trolling, but that seriously infuriated me, I had to vent.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they're actually trolling. They're were pulling this same sort of shit in another thread and it seems to be a combination of a horribly pretentious attitude, unpopular opinions backed up by seemingly little to no logic, and a complete and utter inability to communicate clearly.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47021955]There's questioning stuff, and then there's just being retarded and you're definitely being the latter.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying Socrates is a retard then?
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033726]Are you saying Socrates is a retard then?[/QUOTE]
You're so not even close to Socrates oh man, just don't.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47033751]You're so not even close to Socrates oh man, just don't.[/QUOTE]
Socrates, who's philosophy was a way of life. It wouldn't of mattered to him if he was being retarded. it was about finding the answers to everything. I wanted to know why humans are subject to such torturous disease. I believe that maybe it's self punishment for cheating nature. It'd explain a lot of the aloofness people display, when it comes to medical problems of others.
you can't 'cheat nature' what the fuck
why are some people so stupid
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this train of thought is harming others. stop
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033791]Socrates, who's philosophy was a way of life. It wouldn't of mattered to him if he was being retarded. it was about finding the answers to everything. I wanted to know why humans are subject to such torturous disease. I believe that maybe it's self punishment for cheating nature. It'd explain a lot of the aloofness people display, when it comes to medical problems of others.[/QUOTE]
See I don't really care, the fact is you're wrong and you're trying to justify it for some reason. For example:
[quote]People say they care about healthcare but their actions are contradictory. Most people are happy to watch people suffer it's why they have casual conversations about related topics on discussion boards. It's casual caring and it's only casual caring because they are effected by it. People don't care if others die of terminal illnesses or there's no vaccines. They only care if they're affected.[/quote]
Ah, to be 15 and retarded again.
I will prove this point wrong with two words, watch this:
Modern Medicine.
If we didn't care about other peoples health then the vcast majority of the world would have absolutely zero health care set up, people would still be drinking water from ponds they shit in and we'd still be getting our cunt kicked in by shit like Tuberculosis like it's going out of fashion.
After that point you just sorta lost it and started babbling about how if somethings unhealthy it needs to either evolve or die, which totally fucking glosses over the fact that cancer will arise in everyone given enough time AND smacks of eugenics, cause by extension of your own logic if something is deemed unhealthy and it can't be changed or fixed then why bother keeping it in the genepool?
That's why you're being mocked, cause you're mock worthy.
[QUOTE=.Lain;47033821][B]you can't 'cheat nature' what the fuck[/B]
why are some people so stupid
[editline]29th January 2015[/editline]
this train of thought is harming others. stop[/QUOTE]
You took the words right out my mouth. No you can't cheat nature. We are nature. Just because you live in an unnatural environment, wouldn't negate your, human nature.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033853]You took the words right out my mouth. No you can't cheat nature. We are nature. Just because you live in an unnatural environment, wouldn't negate your, human nature.[/QUOTE]
Again I'll point out another mistake.
Humans are natural, what we do is natural, there is literally nothing we can do that can be classed as unnatural.
the term 'nature' is almost meaningless, especially to humans. most definitions of nature explicitly [I]exclude[/I] humans and human creations even though both of those things are just as 'native' as any other animal and it's creations (see beavers and their dams)
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47033845]See I don't really care, the fact is you're wrong and you're trying to justify it for some reason. For example:
Ah, to be 15 and retarded again.
I will prove this point wrong with two words, watch this:
Modern Medicine.
If we didn't care about other peoples health then the vcast majority of the world would have absolutely zero health care set up, people would still be drinking water from ponds they shit in and we'd still be getting our cunt kicked in by shit like Tuberculosis like it's going out of fashion.
After that point you just sorta lost it and started babbling about how if somethings unhealthy it needs to either evolve or die, which totally fucking glosses over the fact that cancer will arise in everyone given enough time AND smacks of eugenics, cause by extension of your own logic if something is deemed unhealthy and it can't be changed or fixed then why bother keeping it in the genepool?
That's why you're being mocked, cause you're mock worthy.[/QUOTE]
You see I can't argue with an emotionally driven creature. Unfortunately it'll derail the topic and would eventually be ban worthy. Unless you want to discuss the thread topic at hand, like an human being without alluding that i'm some lesser individual who is mock worthy. I can't reply to you anymore.
Sobotnik, is this your alt?
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033912]You see I can't argue with an emotionally driven creature. Unfortunately it'll derail the topic and would eventually be ban worthy. Unless you want to discuss the thread topic at hand, like an human being without alluding that i'm some lesser individual who is mock worthy. I can't reply to you anymore.[/QUOTE]
Beep Boop I am a robot, beep boop!
You're human man, you're emotion driven but the point is that you're consistently wrong and try and brush it off with some weird world view you've got.
Fact is modern medicine keeps people alive that would be dead otherwise, and since I'm not a shithead and like the over whelming majority of other human beings, I actually do care about peeps not falling over dead due to whooping cough, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, etc. so I count all those not deaths as a win, from your posts I dunno maybe you'd have a hard time believing people can care about random cunts in the street but for the vast majority of folks we're pretty pleased we're not living in the stone ages exiling people for the sniffles because they may weaken the tribe.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47033871]Again I'll point out another mistake.
Humans are natural, what we do is natural, there is literally nothing we can do that can be classed as unnatural.[/QUOTE]
I agree we are very evolved species. If i may take you literally. So murder is natural, rape, stealing. One could argue that they are(yourself). So is letting people die is natural thing to do, within this theory we have. So why do you disagree with me about letting people die because they're unhealthy?
Dude, its not about people, its about fucking kids and measles.
It would be a very good idea to insert the virus into you to see for yourself why measles are fucking horrible.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033955]I agree we are very evolved species. If i may take you literally. So murder is natural, rape, stealing. One could argue that they are(yourself). So is letting people die is natural thing to do, within this theory we have. So why do you disagree with me about letting people die because they're unhealthy?[/QUOTE]
Because I don't base the value of people based on their health for example, Stephen mother fucking Hawking, guy's literally as unhealthy as they come and he has time and time again contributed massively to our understanding of modern physics and cosmosolgy.
Also yes rape, murder, theft are natural, crows steal, ducks rape and everything murders, deal with it.
If this whole thing is based on some premise that something unnatural is unclean or whatever then fuck me this got a whole lot more fucked up.
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;47033925]Sobotnik, is this your alt?[/QUOTE]
I think it's been too long since you read Sobotnik's posts.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47034006]I think it's been too long since you read Sobotnik's posts.[/QUOTE]
being permabanned does strange things to people, makes them go mad (even more than they were beforehand)
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033955]I agree we are very evolved species. If i may take you literally. So murder is natural, rape, stealing. One could argue that they are(yourself). So is letting people die is natural thing to do, within this theory we have. So why do you disagree with me about letting people die because they're unhealthy?[/QUOTE]
Because A: he has at least a basic understanding of logic and thus knows what a naturalistic fallacy is, and B: doesn't have a personality disorder in need of being forcibly committed such as one that would make him go around talking about the weak should be exterminated.
[editline]29th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Levithan;47034032]being permabanned does strange things to people, makes them go mad (even more than they were beforehand)[/QUOTE]Well if I recall, DaimBramage just got more Nazi, and didn't turn into an anarchist SJW.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033791]Socrates, who's philosophy was a way of life. It wouldn't of mattered to him if he was being retarded. it was about finding the answers to everything. I wanted to know why humans are subject to such torturous disease. I believe that maybe it's self punishment for cheating nature. It'd explain a lot of the aloofness people display, when it comes to medical problems of others.[/QUOTE]
the key issue here is the word believe
you have nothing but a belief, not evidence or facts, but a belief.
useless.
[editline]29th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47033955]I agree we are very evolved species. If i may take you literally. So murder is natural, rape, stealing. One could argue that they are(yourself). So is letting people die is natural thing to do, within this theory we have. So why do you disagree with me about letting people die because they're unhealthy?[/QUOTE]
our entire species would have died millenia ago without our ability to figure out ways to heal ourselves.
honestly, what you want out of humanity is a cave man like existence.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47034066]Because A: he has at least a basic understanding of logic and thus knows what a naturalistic fallacy is, and B: doesn't have a personality disorder in need of being forcibly committed such as one that would make him go around talking about the weak should be exterminated.
[editline]29th January 2015[/editline]
Well if I recall, DaimBramage just got more Nazi, and didn't turn into an anarchist SJW.[/QUOTE]
Yes even though your reply has nothing to do with the topic on hand whats your view on the health of our speceies in general. I have to admit i do have logic issues, as well as a slight personality disorder. I Do want to ask you. Why do you seem to hate me to go out of your way to make me seem like i'm a bad person. If i did have a learning disability coming on here trying to paint me as having one would make you really nasty person.
[QUOTE=Lui2112;47034383]Yes even though your reply has nothing to do with the topic on hand whats your view on the health of our speceies in general. I have to admit i do have logic issues, as well as a slight personality disorder. I Do want to ask you. Why do you seem to hate me to go out of your way to make me seem like i'm a bad person. If i did have a learning disability coming on here trying to paint me as having one would make you really nasty person.[/QUOTE]
No one here is serious in hating you.
But you do say unfounded and unrealistic things and expect other posters to just agree when your view isn't based on anything at all.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47034324]the key issue here is the word believe
you have nothing but a belief, not evidence or facts, but a belief.
useless.
[editline]29th January 2015[/editline]
our entire species would have died millenia ago without our ability to figure out ways to heal ourselves.
honestly, what you want out of humanity is a cave man like existence.[/QUOTE]
Everything starts as a belief. The people who founded some of the first medicines must of believed they can prevent sickness so tried to find a cure. Do you agree with me here?
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