• EU election results due to start coming in - polls close at 2100 UTC
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[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44909833]It could get us out of the EU in the short term. We might not even need a referendum.[/QUOTE] Except that's probably the worst-case scenario for Britain and the whole union?
Can someone please explain to me in terms simple or otherwise, how voting for the anti-EU party to represent us in the EU was a good idea? Because in my naive young mind, that seems to be a dumb fucking idea. I can just imagine them sitting in the parliament refusing to participate. The gains UKIP have made here are really beginning to scare me. If they get into government next year, they stand to utterly destroy the progress that the UK has made struggling its way out of 20th-century attitudes. I've been proud to be British this year what with the improvements in equality and human rights, despite a vocal minority spreading bullshit about how it would ruin us. Please, don't let them reverse it now. I'll be urging everyone I know to use their vote next year, since apathy seems to be a large part of the reason they're getting so far.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44909833]It could get us out of the EU in the short term. [b]We might not even need a referendum.[/b][/QUOTE] Fuck that.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44909833]It could get us out of the EU in the short term. We might not even need a referendum.[/QUOTE] Which is a fucking terrible idea, you realise? British Economy would collapse overnight. Jesus, I hope this isn't what the English Electorate is really thinking, because the next GE will be a trainwreck of epic proportions if that is the case.
It will be interesting to see the Scottish results in 10 hours or so.
[QUOTE=Jon27;44909863]Can someone please explain to me in terms simple or otherwise, how voting for the anti-EU party to represent us in the EU was a good idea? Because in my naive young mind, that seems to be a dumb fucking idea. I can just imagine them sitting in the parliament refusing to participate.[/QUOTE] I'd personally agree with you, but the reasoning is that it sends a distinct message - 'We're British and we don't want you'. Therefore, you vote for people who vote in British self-interest or not at all. It's political rather than practical. [QUOTE=Jon27;44909863]The gains UKIP have made here are really beginning to scare me. If they get into government next year[/QUOTE] Highly unlikely. Firstly, they won 0 councils at the local elections. Sure, they got a lot of councilors, but they don't win elections, and are still a distinct 3rd place. In a FPTP system it doesn't matter how many people as a whole vote for a single party, only if there are big groups of people in the same area who have little competition. That hasn't happened with UKiP. This is why despite the Libdems having a HUGE amount of voters (Over 1/4 of the votes if I recall), they always win a terrible amount of seats as their support is scattershot. It's my prediction that they won't get a major amount of extra support at the local elections - at worse, it'll be a hung parliament and UKiP will bargin into power with their tiny amount of seats (No more than 10). But IMO it'll be a weak Labour majority that'll win, unless the Tories REALLY up their game. Also, let's say that in the (unlikely) event that every UKiP supporter that voted in the EU voted in the general election - they'd be 3 million people short of 3rd place.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44909833]It could get us out of the EU in the short term. We might not even need a referendum.[/QUOTE] That's the BNP's thing now actually lol. To set themselves apart from UKIP they now say 'we won't even hold a referendum we'll just leave immediately!!'
Well, that is a sound analysis, puts my mind at ease a little, so I hope you're right. Hopefully turnout will be a little better than one-third of the electorate for the general election. I suppose it will be, since a lot of people who are apathetic about councils or Europe will be a bit more in touch with something more simplistic like 'who do we want to be Prime Minister' which I'm sure is how a lot of people see it.
London should just bugger off and be its own country.
Trust London to bugger up the national result.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;44909911]I'd personally agree with you, but the reasoning is that it sends a distinct message - 'We're British and we don't want you'. Therefore, you vote for people who vote in British self-interest or not at all. It's political rather than practical. Highly unlikely. Firstly, they won 0 councils at the local elections. Sure, they got a lot of councilors, but they don't win elections, and are still a distinct 3rd place. In a FPTP system it doesn't matter how many people as a whole vote for a single party, only if there are big groups of people in the same area who have little competition. That hasn't happened with UKiP. This is why despite the Libdems having a HUGE amount of voters (Over 1/4 of the votes if I recall), they always win a terrible amount of seats as their support is scattershot. It's my prediction that they won't get a major amount of extra support at the local elections - at worse, it'll be a hung parliament and UKiP will bargin into power with their tiny amount of seats (No more than 10). But IMO it'll be a weak Labour majority that'll win, unless the Tories REALLY up their game. Also, let's say that in the (unlikely) event that every UKiP supporter that voted in the EU voted in the general election - they'd be 3 million people short of 3rd place.[/QUOTE] Also [url=http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8842]the marginal polls[/url] from a few days ago showed that UKIP are going to have a harder time winning seats in the general election. In two constituencies where they're thought to be doing really well (Great Yarmouth and Thanet South) they came a strong third. That's really really good for an outsider party like UKIP, but it's nothing like the overwhelming victory they've enjoyed in some regions tonight
[QUOTE=lazyguy;44909999]London should just bugger off and be its own country.[/QUOTE] Not everywhere in the UK can have an absence of the 'educated, cultured and young' .
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;44910025]Not everywhere in the UK can have an absence of the 'educated, cultured and young' .[/QUOTE] There's many areas of London that I would hardly call Educated or Cultured.
[QUOTE=The mouse;44910038]There's many areas of London that I would hardly call Educated or Cultured.[/QUOTE] just quoting ukip
We really are looking at the distinct possibility of another hung parliament now huh
[QUOTE=smurfy;44910077]We really are looking at the distinct possibility of another hung parliament now huh[/QUOTE] The Greens will be happy though, because unlike the Lib Dems, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjhjFOw4Ok]they have 3 MEPs.[/url]
[QUOTE=smurfy;44910077]We really are looking at the distinct possibility of another hung parliament now huh[/QUOTE] In a really stupid roundabout way we succeeded in our AV vote.
[QUOTE=smurfy;44910077]We really are looking at the distinct possibility of another hung parliament now huh[/QUOTE] Using the totally unscientific method of turning those percentages into seats using the BBC election seat calculator and [url=http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html]this one[/url]. If Thursday had been a general election according to the BBC one we would have a hung parliament with "other" having the real majority (309 seats). Based on the other one (which allows you to take into account UKIP) we'd still have a hung parliament but Labour would only be short 28 seats which wouldn't be that hard to find a coalition to fill tbh. Looks like we are going to be one of those modern European countries with coalitions forever more!! (Its almost like AV was voted in favour..)
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44909619]Hear you on the LibDems, but did Labour really do "so badly"?[/QUOTE] They did really, the same as the local elections. They only really made small gains, as the Tories had their vote swallowed by UKIP. Ed Millipede says he'll try and win back the UKIP segment of votes, but really it was never his to begin with.
Yeah, because by rights Labour should have received a massive swing in their direction due to all the discontent. I don't think it'll matter too much in the general, though,
Awsome that ukip came out on top, lets hope Farrage give em a good battering in the GE
Not too happy about UKIP winning, but at the same time I suppose that's a good thing because it means all the other parties (especially Labour and Conservative) are going to get a massive kick up the ass to sort their shit out. I really don't want them to win the General Elections though. Mostly for personal reasons. But hey this is a democracy and that's what voting is for.
In other news, I heard Marine Le Pen on the radio claiming that "the French have spoken; Hollande, prepare for a new election ahead of time because clearly France is no longer represented in national politics" or somesuch. How classy and completely unforeseen that she would abuse the EU elections just to further her own goals in France! It's almost as if eurosceptics don't give a damn about the EU and aren't planning on actually going to work there, just line their own pockets with that sweet dough they hate so much.
Are you fucking kidding me, Golden Dawn got like 10%. The damn communists got 6%. I won't even comment on the retard Eurosceptics who took first place. I am so disappointed in Greece.
fuck nonono not fucking UKIP jesus christ I still have to stay in this country to do my Uni course I don't want those fuckheads in power for the duration of it
Well shit. At least the next few years will be interesting.
the results of this election have been terrible at least it was the first one i voted in when the EU federalist party arrives i'll start voting for them
if we leave the EU, I'm moving from the UK this country can sink with the idiots
To be honest, this is probably the high-water mark of Ukip as much as it pains me to say this. Ukip clearly aren't going to repeat this success in the General election and I'd doubt they'd get any seats and even if they do, it would be hard for them to call it a victory unless they do win a huge amount which is very unlikely. I'd also find it hard to see Ukip repeating this success in 2019, parties with the majority of seats rarely if ever gain more seats when they're at the top. I don't really see where Ukip can go now.
To the moon
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