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Okay who else had right-winger elections. UK, France and Greece(?), anybody else?
[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44913062]Don't make bold assertions that X is Y then.
Statistics show that 38% of people are 'very happy'.
But what does that even mean? You can't quantise perceptions.
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yes you can, you just did
it shows that 38% of people are very happy
not sure what angle you're working here
[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44913152]Dunno lol.
You don't see an immigration problem. If you lived in a different place and your experience was different, what you see would be different.
'There's no immigration problem' [I]for you.[/I] Obviously other people see differently.
You stated that [I]there's no problem[/I] in a manner eerily similar to someone claiming that [I]god is real[/I] so I attempted to explain that we're not talking about universal truths here - we're talking about things that involve perception, so there's no place for absolutes.[/QUOTE]
yes there is no such thing as a universal truth human senses are fallible i just bought my third copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra yadda yadda how is that relevant to the statement that there is no issue with mass immigration in the United Kingdom other than you feeling obligated to stuff your philosophized dick into it
[editline]26th May[/editline]
"yo other people are capable of worldly perception"
wow such sage advice i had never thought about it like that before
They might be empty words but there is no need to be rude.
my personal perception is that the earth is flat. i haven't really travelled around it.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44913176]Okay who else had right-winger elections. UK, France and Greece(?), anybody else?[/QUOTE]
Austria, Denmark and Hungary off the top of my head.
Judging by this map:
[url]http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/alle-ergebnisse-im-detail-so-hat-europa-gewaehlt-1.1973782[/url]
the UK, France, Denmark and Greece fucked up big time.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;44912983]except there are statistics for this kind of thing
immigration is a terrifying boogeyman that doesn't actually exist that people use as a scapegoat to blame their problems on[/QUOTE]
Exactly. If you come across somebody who is really against immigration or the welfare state it is more than likely that they are compensating for failings or frustrations in their own life which they choose not to admit. Instead they take it out on others like vulnerable or stigmatised groups (immigrants, a particular race, asylum seekers, benefit claimants, homosexuals, the disabled, etc.).
[QUOTE=Cone;44913217]yes there is no such thing as a universal truth human senses are fallible i just bought my third copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra yadda yadda how is that relevant to the statement that there is no issue with mass immigration in the United Kingdom other than you feeling obligated to stuff your philosophized dick into it
[editline]26th May[/editline]
"yo other people are capable of worldly perception"
wow such sage advice i had never thought about it like that before[/QUOTE]
Cool man you owned me.
I guess the solution to human problems can be found if we continue blaming all these symptoms and not looking at the common denominator.
[url]http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/europeennes/europeennes-elue-dimanche-la-numero-deux-de-la-liste-fn-dans-l-ouest-demissionne_609501.html[/url]
[quote]Just elected, already gone. Joëlle Bergeron, number two on the west regional list in the National Front , resigned Monday, May 26 , the day after her election to the European Parliament. She had to give way to Gilles Pennelle third on the list and departmental secretary of the FN in Ille -et-Vilaine , at the request of Marine Le Pen , reports Ouest-France .
In an interview, she denounces a " diktat " . "It was decided before the election, but I did not think he would put into practice , has she told the newspaper . I thought that parity would be respected . They called me on Sunday night and this morning I 'm shocked. "
Joëlle Bergeron, had been elected municipal council in March and was one of the only Front National leaders to support the right of foreigners to vote ; she decided to leave the party , the mayor and the agglomeration council . " Their philosophy is not mine ," said she told the Telegram .[/quote]
I just can't believe and can't fathom that people here think that UKIP are their god and saviour and everyone believes that immigration is a big issue.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;44913459]I just can't believe and can't fathom that people here think that UKIP are their god and saviour and everyone believes that immigration is a big issue.[/QUOTE]
Don't boast about your own ignorance.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;44913471]Don't boast about your own ignorance.[/QUOTE]
good job you bought into the far right propaganda system, does it feel good
Why is it such a big thing ? Or even a surprise ? Regular parties rule EU for years, they do shit for people without even bothering about the public opinion. Nothing is submitted to referendum, things are sometimes hidden. People may be dumb, but they understand that doing the same thing over and over brings the same result, so they changed their vote for parties that never ruled (no, the winners are not nazis, learn your history), and hope they will get something different.
Basically : "normal" parties had enough time to prove they were good at ruling EU, and that EU would benefit people. They failed. They're thrown out of the game. End of story.
How does the EU [I]not [/I]benefit people???
[QUOTE=gokiyono;44913068]I wonder how many people read past their slogan[/QUOTE]
Well, props to Messerschmidt, he's obviously a great politician - sad that he has such dumb opinions.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44913761]How does the EU [I]not [/I]benefit people???[/QUOTE]
GMO, ability for employers to hire from country with lower social advantages, no control over money so that Germany is ok, but Greece is suffocating, no power on fronteers so governments can't protect local workers from cheap chineese shit...
EU used to be a good idea (no war, economic alliance, police cooperation, and stuff), but with the non elected commission that can force governments to do things, not so unique money that no one controls, and so on, things were done the wrong way. Now it has to be dismantled properly (that's why people vote, and don't burn everything) and restarted back from ECSC.
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I forgot to quote you
[QUOTE=Vassago310;44913867]GMO, ability for employers to hire from country with lower social advantages, no control over money so that Germany is ok, but Greece is suffocating, no power on fronteers so governments can't protect local workers from cheap chineese shit...
EU used to be a good idea (no war, economic alliance, police cooperation, and stuff), but with the non elected commission that can force governments to do things, not so unique money that no one controls, and so on, things were done the wrong way. Now it has to be dismantled properly (that's why people vote, and don't burn everything) and restarted back from ECSC.[/QUOTE]
GMOs aren't bad, there isn't any evidence of them giving you a third arm or whatever.
Greece is suffering because it's incompetent government can't handle it's finances.
People elected in EU elections by THE PEOPLE IN THAT COUNTRY represent their own interests in the EU, and as such have an infulence of laws passed. Voting a eurosceptic party undermines this power.
Immirgrants frequently take lower paid jobs because nobody else wants to do them, and skilled jobs because there isn't a trained local with the skills needed. You can just as easily move to Germany and get a job there.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;44913471]Don't boast about your own ignorance.[/QUOTE]
I think you should read less of the sun and instead look into the onion, far more reputable publication.
Lots of nationalist parties getting elected. Fucking crazy.
Sweden's Pirate Party, who got my vote, got shafted this election. Rip in peace.
[QUOTE=Jojje;44913967]Lots of nationalist parties getting elected. Fucking crazy.
Sweden's Pirate Party, who got my vote, got shafted this election. Rip in peace.[/QUOTE]
They're not dead yet. They just have to get the message across until september that it's not a matter of "hurr durr free downloading!!1" anymore but rather integrity, transparency and preserving democratic rights.
oh and protecting the internet from invasive and harmful governmental and corporate action.
[QUOTE=Streecer;44913919]GMOs aren't bad, there isn't any evidence of them giving you a third arm or whatever.[/QUOTE]
The Sun won't explode because it hasn't exploded yet.
So until that happens, there's no point considering the possibility of that happening.
[QUOTE=Streecer;44913919]GMOs aren't bad, there isn't any evidence of them giving you a third arm or whatever.
Greece is suffering because it's incompetent government can't handle it's finances.
People elected in EU elections by THE PEOPLE IN THAT COUNTRY represent their own interests in the EU, and as such have an infulence of laws passed. Voting a eurosceptic party undermines this power.
Immirgrants frequently take lower paid jobs because nobody else wants to do them, and skilled jobs because there isn't a trained local with the skills needed. You can just as easily move to Germany and get a job there.[/QUOTE]
50 years ago, there was no evidence smoking gave you cancer. Well, it didn't care about evidences, and gave cancers anyway. I'd like to eat proper vegetables until it has been proven that GMO harmless. But thanks to EU, my government won't be able to forbid them.
Greek government did shit, I don't blame EU for their situation. They could do bettere by lowering the value of their money, thus encouraging exportations, which means income and employment, and so on... but thanks to EU, they will just continue to drown.
Voting a eurosceptic party doesn't undermine a country's power. It will allow it to redirect EU back to what it was meant to be.
I think that if there were no immigrant to take lower paid jobs, these would be paid better. Because the job still has to be done. Things would get more expensive, but it may be their true price. I do think we live beyond our means, and if we don't correct it now, it will grow worse.
[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44914028]The Sun won't explode because it hasn't exploded yet.
So until that happens, there's no point considering the possibility of that happening.[/QUOTE]
Well there's nothing wrong with the idea of GMO's, but since that market is a literal 100% monopoly ran by real life equivalent of umbrella corporation who knows what they're doing, oh well i suppose history will tell.
[QUOTE=Vassago310;44914034]50 years ago, there was no evidence smoking gave you cancer. Well, it didn't care about evidences, and gave cancers anyway. I'd like to eat proper vegetables until it has been proven that GMO harmless. But thanks to EU, my government won't be able to forbid them.
Greek government did shit, I don't blame EU for their situation. They could do bettere by lowering the value of their money, thus encouraging exportations, which means income and employment, and so on... but thanks to EU, they will just continue to drown.
Voting a eurosceptic party doesn't undermine a country's power. It will allow it to redirect EU back to what it was meant to be.
I think that if there were no immigrant to take lower paid jobs, these would be paid better. Because the job still has to be done. Things would get more expensive, but it may be their true price. I do think we live beyond our means, and if we don't correct it now, it will grow worse.[/QUOTE]
Extensive testing and research is carried out in the production of GMO based crops and food. There is nearly no risk at all for any adverse effect. The very nature of GMOs makes them easy to predict, it's simply taking a chracteristic from one thing and giving it to another.
The EU has no hand in the Greek government's decisions. They simply provided them with the funds they needed, and guess what they did jack shit with it flinging them further into debt. GJ Greece.
Voting a eurosceptic party in an EU election DOES undermine your power. As they rarely show up to the votes that decide on crucial EU wide laws and regulations, meaning YOUR COUNTRY GETS NO SAY IN THAT PARTICULAR LAW. They only way a Eurosceptic party can make a difference is by winning an actual general election, which they won't.
Hate to break it to you, but the job market is pretty competitive. An employer isn't going to pay out the nose for you to mop the floor just because you're French when they can get somebody to do it for cheaper. That's how it's always worked, before and after the creation of the EU.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44912623]What do you think of this guy:
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beppe_Grillo"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beppe_Grillo[/URL][/QUOTE]
He went from being a very toxic political-comedian who said plenty of defamatory stuff he's been trialed and sentenced for, but 'muh free speech', to a 'spiritual guide' for a party. He racked a good deal of following during the past decade, in particular from all kind of nutjobs, conspiracy theorists and the likes.
His party is based on some pretty solid principles, but attracted the worst possible kind of crowd..
The ONLY reason his party got as much following in the past elections is by brewing animosity in the hearts of people that get too pissed at politics by promising a change.
What the party has done thus far is protest, protest, oppose and protest everything the rest of the parliment has done. They even tried to trial Napolitano for HIGH TREASON AND GOLPE. I mean he's an almost 100 year old man goddamnit, It's like they just look for excuses to make a mess. Don't get me wrong, I more often than not side for the rebel, but this is a moment where we just can't afford to break everything and start over from square one. We must stick to our guns, punch a hole in our belts and keep it together because it's make it or break it.
[QUOTE=Hardsurface;44914028]The Sun won't explode because it hasn't exploded yet.
So until that happens, there's no point considering the possibility of that happening.[/QUOTE]
You [I]are[/I] trolling right
[QUOTE=Streecer;44914087]Extensive testing and research is carried out in the production of GMO based crops and food. There is nearly no risk at all for any adverse effect. The very nature of GMOs makes them easy to predict, it's simply taking a chracteristic from one thing and giving it to another.
The EU has no hand in the Greek government's decisions. They simply provided them with the funds they needed, and guess what they did jack shit with it flinging them further into debt. GJ Greece.
Voting a eurosceptic party in an EU election DOES undermine your power. As they rarely show up to the votes that decide on crucial EU wide laws and regulations, meaning YOUR COUNTRY GETS NO SAY IN THAT PARTICULAR LAW. They only way a Eurosceptic party can make a difference is by winning an actual general election, which they won't.
Hate to break it to you, but the job market is pretty competitive. An employer isn't going to pay out the nose for you to mop the floor just because you're French when they can get somebody to do it for cheaper. That's how it's always worked, before and after the creation of the EU.[/QUOTE]
Researches also shown tobacco and cancer were not linked. I'd rather have my government ordering researches and then allow/forbid it, than EU making the decision for everyone. European countries have different standards, and France used to ban GMOs.
The Greek government has no hand on its own money, meaning that now that dumbasses have screwed it (which is not EU's fault), it can't come back.
Well, I think you have a point here. I hope that now we've given them some power, they'll use it.
I know the job market is competitive. We also have social advantages that were granted by the government, which is supposed to rule over markets in order to prevent exploitation. If you allow an employer to take either some one who was granted a minimum wage, health care, and stuff, or some one who just want some rice, well, the answer is clear. That's why laws were made, to force employers to grant things to their employees. If you allow employers to choose people to whom they don't need to give all those things over a protected one, you just throw your social advantages to dirt. You could as well consider slavery as a very competitive thing. Well, I know you don't mean it, but China is taking all the world's industries because of its very low paid, not protected workers (aka slaves).
[QUOTE=Vassago310;44914282]Researches also shown tobacco and cancer were not linked.[/quote]
[Citation needed]
[QUOTE=raptorkid;44914366][Citation needed][/QUOTE]It did happen, but to call them studies would be a massive stretch. It was bollocks pumped out to bolster tobacco marketing, not in any conceivable sense proper scientific studies.
I thought people voted UKIP as a joke :suicide:
in this thread [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1395830[/url]
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