• UK MP Jo Cox dies after reports of shooting and stabbing in West Yorkshire
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50533162]can a mod update the title[/QUOTE] Done. Really awful news.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Is there any indication that it was politically motivated? Thanks to whoever did this, her children will no longer have a mother. Her husband will no longer have a wife. [MEDIA]https://twitter.com/MrBrendanCox/status/743455646197096449[/MEDIA]
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50533253]Absolutely fucking disgusting. Is there any indication that it was politically motivated?[/QUOTE] I can't see it being anything else why else would you shoot an MP at a political event?
The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] Her having a gun wouldn't stop a complete nutjob coming out of nowhere and killing her. He came out of the blue and shot her in broad daylight during a public political event, there was no way she could react. I really hope this is a shit post because god damn that's some retarded thinking. Plus as far as I know this is the first time an MP's been shot dead in a fucking long time.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] So you are saying that if you have a gun and somebody is coming for you with a gun(and you didnt know this), you would be able to shoot them before they shot you? That's bullshit and you know it, even if she had a gun, she would have still been shot holy fuck.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] We don't even know the first thing about the whole incident dude, not who was the first guy, why she was involved and what was the reasoning or any of the details.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] I'm a gun nut myself, but keep that shit out of thread. Don't use the death of a good person to push your fucking ideology.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] One set of gun laws results in mass shootings and gun deaths every single day. The other results in this. One tragic, but rare incident. Don't try and make it out as if America's gun laws are better at protecting people than ours because they just factually aren't. On the actual subject, which is what actually matters, I am just shocked that this could happen, that someone would do this, that an mp and a mother was murdered, apparently because she stood up for vulnerable people.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] I'm in favor of using handguns for self-defense but you say this with such certainty as if you knew all the minute details about the situation. The guy who shot her had the element of surprise which is always an advantage. We don't know if she'd even have time to pull out her gun before being shot, we just don't know those details.
[QUOTE]He came out of the blue and shot her in broad daylight during a public political event, there was no way she could react. [/QUOTE] It has not been clearly established what happened. [QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50533424]I'm a gun nut myself, but keep that shit out of thread. Don't use the death of a good person to push your fucking ideology.[/QUOTE] We shouldn't talk about political issues in response to a murder, we should just pray and God will magically make things better! /s [QUOTE] One set of gun laws results in mass shootings and gun deaths every single day. The other results in this. One tragic, but rare incident. Don't try and make it out as if America's gun laws are better at protecting people than ours because they just factually aren't. [/QUOTE] American gun laws do not result in mass shootings and gun deaths every day. American gun laws existed for decades, and despite civilians having access to much the same weapons they do today, mass shootings were extremely rare. Poverty, mental illness, extremism and other such things create mass shootings - not simply the existence of guns.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533447]It has not been clearly established what happened. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Flug;50533447]We shouldn't talk about political issues in response to a murder, we should just pray and God will magically make things better! /s[/QUOTE] Guns aren't a political issue in the UK like they are elsewhere. Also this man who attacked her was also wielding a knife. I'm not one of her constituents so I didn't know much of her before, but it seems like she was a solid MP and genuine person from what I'm reading about her actions. Absolute loss
From the witness report so far it sounds more like she got into a dispute of other people and it somehowdeveloped into this..
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] Gun violence is a non-issue in the UK though? [IMG]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/65077000/gif/_65077559_us_gun_compared_624.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/134DB/production/_85876097_homicides_guns_624_v3.png[/IMG]
I'm curious as to where everyone's jumping to what the shooter's motivation was and their previous political affiliations because I am not able to find any of that anywhere
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] [THUMB]http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/20151002_Guns_HuffPo-01.jpg[/THUMB] The result of gun control is also that less people die due to guns. Rounding up/down, America has 300 Million people and Britain 60 million. Even if you multiplied the British columns by five to adjust for population differences, we wouldn't even near America's numbers of deaths.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533447]It has not been clearly established what happened. We shouldn't talk about political issues in response to a murder, we should just pray and God will magically make things better! /s[/QUOTE] this isn't the place to peddle your unwanted and awful crackpot ideas on how to fix things, especially moreso because they won't work
[QUOTE=Flug;50533447]It has not been clearly established what happened. We shouldn't talk about political issues in response to a murder, we should just pray and God will magically make things better! /s American gun laws do not result in mass shootings and gun deaths every day. American gun laws existed for decades, and despite civilians having access to much the same weapons they do today, mass shootings were extremely rare. Poverty, mental illness, extremism and other such things create mass shootings - not simply the existence of guns.[/QUOTE] Yeah we can talk about political issues in response to a murder but out of respect we shouldn't rabidly jump to it moments after a person has died. Take a deep breath and wait a minute ffs.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50533536]this isn't the place to peddle your unwanted and awful crackpot ideas[/QUOTE] Gee, I'm sorry, I guess I'll leave since I'm a crackpot according to some guy on the internet who has no bearing on my life. [QUOTE]especially moreso because they won't work [/QUOTE] Says Sobotnik, as he provides no actual argument of any substance.
Several news outlets have withdrawn the claims that he shouted Britain First and moved towards her intervening in an altercation and the man killing her in response, but still unconfirmed
[QUOTE=Flug;50533447]It has not been clearly established what happened. We shouldn't talk about political issues in response to a murder, we should just pray and God will magically make things better! /s American gun laws do not result in mass shootings and gun deaths every day. American gun laws existed for decades, and despite civilians having access to much the same weapons they do today, mass shootings were extremely rare. Poverty, mental illness, extremism and other such things create mass shootings - not simply the existence of guns.[/QUOTE] Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the [url=http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/]Gun Violence Archive[/url], and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. [url=http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html]Compare that to the fact that Britain hasn't had more than 100 fatal shootings a year since at least 2000[/url], and that in 2013 3.9 out of 100,000 people are killed via homicide a year in the U.S versus 1 out of 100,000 in the UK ([url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country]According to UNDOC statistics[/url]). I honestly don't know if the poverty, extremism and mental illness rate is different enough that america has [b]four times the murder rate based on the same population sample[/b] as the UK but I'll leave the statistics here and let people come to their own conclusions. Very sorry to hear about what happened to Jo Cox, especially her family and her two kids. It's a terrible waste.
[QUOTE=Flug;50533352]The result of gun control is that criminals will either manufacture their own guns, use other weapons, or purchase guns illegally. This is a clear example of that - a dedicated killer, despite some of the strictest gun control in the world, was not stopped. I daresay that if Cox herself had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] imagine using the loss of someone's life as a way to push your point on gun control on an internet forum for what purpose, my dude?
Seriously fuck of with the guns bs. They don't belong on the uk and this is a sign if it. A fucking deranged loser murdering a good person. That's what should be discussed here not asanine Americans talking about guns you've got your threads foR issues specific to the USA and it's guns. Britain first are filth
If it's proven that the perpetrator did shout "Britain first", will this affect the outcomes of the referendum?
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50533650]If it's proven that the perpetrator did shout "Britain first", will this affect the outcomes of the referendum?[/QUOTE] I assume it'll put the referendum on hold till its completely sorted out and I imagine several politicians/members will probably try and step away from the campaign to save face/not be associated with murderers and start a third party which continues with similar ideals.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50533639]Seriously fuck of with the guns bs. They don't belong on the uk and this is a sign if it. A fucking deranged loser murdering a good person. That's what should be discussed here not asanine Americans talking about guns you've got your threads foR issues specific to the USA and it's guns. Britain first are filth[/QUOTE] If Cox had been armed, this would not have happened. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt" - Swebonny))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Flug;50533665]If Cox had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE]you're disgusting
i love all the brits in here going THIS IS NO TIME FOR A GUN DEBATE almost immediately after some of those same people triggered a gun debate in the orlando shooting thread ah fellas
[QUOTE=Flug;50533665]If Cox had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] Dude stop it. Leave it the fuck alone. You have no right coming in here and shouting about how their policies are wrong when you tell foreigners that they have no right to do either for our country.
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