• UK MP Jo Cox dies after reports of shooting and stabbing in West Yorkshire
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[QUOTE=Flug;50533665]If Cox had been armed, this would not have happened.[/QUOTE] This is such a poor argument. It implies that anyone who is at risk of being shot (i.e. everyone) should be armed for their own protection, and the idea that everyone should be armed is absolutely insane.
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[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533706]i love all the brits in here going THIS IS NO TIME FOR A GUN DEBATE almost immediately after some of those same people triggered a gun debate in the orlando shooting thread ah fellas[/QUOTE] because the debate in britain is sealed noone wants guns there is nothing to debate america is a warning and a dire omen for british people about guns in contrast, guns are a hot topic and issue in america
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533736]because the debate in britain is sealed noone wants guns there is nothing to debate america is a warning and a dire omen for british people about guns in contrast, guns are a hot topic and issue in america[/QUOTE] "don't use a death to push your agenda" but it's totally OK to use 50 deaths to push your agenda -- when they aren't your own countrymen also lmao lots of britons want guns so that's just factually incorrect
your points don't even make any sense. she was shot unexpectedly and out of the blue. what was she meant to do, reach out for her gun and shoot him when she was bleeding on the ground? real smart americans, real smart
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533753]your points don't even make any sense. she was shot unexpectedly and out of the blue. what was she meant to do, reach out for her gun and shoot him when she was bleeding on the ground? real smart americans, real smart[/QUOTE] where did i say that or anything like that oh nowhere something something self righteous brits
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533750]"don't use a death to push your agenda" but it's totally OK to use 50 deaths to push your agenda -- when they aren't your own countrymen[/QUOTE] I don't actually follow that idea. I just think the debate is closed in Britain and the arguments for guns don't make sense in this instance even if you did want that debate [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533758]where did i say that or anything like that oh nowhere something something self righteous brits[/QUOTE] then why are you debating guns? idiot. the only argument for guns as far as I can tell is 'muhh self-defence!!!!' and 'muh freedom!!!!'. muh freedom is not relevant here. muh self defence is also not relevant because she was shot unexpectedly so the point isn't even valid.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533759]I don't actually follow that idea. I just think the debate is closed in Britain and the arguments for guns don't make sense in this instance even if you did want that debate [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] then why are you debating guns? idiot[/QUOTE] quote me saying anything like "if x had been armed, x would not have been killed" anywhere in any gun debate ever do it i am pro gun and pro self defense - im not naive enough to believe having a firearm would protect you from a random shooting that you couldnt have seen coming
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533750]also lmao lots of britons want guns so that's just factually incorrect[/QUOTE] which is why our democratic parliament voted gun control laws in? how is your argument even workable when a cursory look at british legislation would prove you wrong?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533766]quote me saying anything like "if x had been armed, x would not have been killed" anywhere in any gun debate ever do it i am pro gun and pro self defense - im not naive enough to believe having a firearm would protect you from a random shooting that you couldnt have seen coming[/QUOTE] Why are you trying to start up a debate about guns in this thread if you don't believe in any of the points made in favour of guns.
guns aren't a political issue in britain and never really have been. fox hunting is a bigger political issue than some fucking guns. industrial disputes are more newsworthy
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50533770]which is why our democratic parliament voted gun control laws in? how is your argument even workable when a cursory look at british legislation would prove you wrong?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom[/url] The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United Kingdom is 6.71 firearms per 100 people In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more rifles is reported to be 2005: 57% Proportion of Households with Shotguns In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more shotguns is reported to be 2005: 67% The number of licensed gun owners in the United Kingdom is reported to be 842,665 apparently at least 842,665 britons want guns
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533750]"don't use a death to push your agenda" but it's totally OK to use 50 deaths to push your agenda -- when they aren't your own countrymen also lmao lots of britons want guns so that's just factually incorrect[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533706]i love all the brits in here going THIS IS NO TIME FOR A GUN DEBATE almost immediately after some of those same people triggered a gun debate in the orlando shooting thread ah fellas[/QUOTE] Firearms are ingrained within US culture. There is an extremely, extremely small minority of people within the UK who are licensed to own a firearm. Those who do own firearms are usually those in country estates, where they go hunting. Those guns are then locked away in a safe after use. You cannot legally carry a firearm on your person in public. After the Dunblane Massacre ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre[/URL]) in 1996, stricter gun controls were demanded by a majority of the public- which were then implemented. I don't know a single person who wants to own a firearm, within the UK, for "protection."
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533779]Why are you trying to start up a debate about guns in this thread if you don't believe in any of the points made in favour of guns.[/QUOTE] i believe in lots of points made in favor of guns just not that one i also didnt try to start a debate i just mentioned that i thought it was funny how many brits are in here hypocritically asserting that you shouldnt use a persons death to further a political agenda while they did the exact same thing in other threads [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Despoiled;50533789]Firearms are ingrained within US culture. There is an extremely, extremely small minority of people within the UK who are licensed to own a firearm. Those who do own firearms are usually those in country estates, where they go hunting. Those guns are then locked away in a safe after use. You cannot legally carry a firearm on your person in public. After the Dunblane Massacre ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre[/URL]) in 1996, stricter gun controls were demanded by a majority of the public- which were then implemented. I don't know a single person who wants to own a firearm, within the UK, for "protection."[/QUOTE] i didnt say anything about protection 842,665 britons own at least one firearm for various reasons. that's a far cry from "nobody"
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533786][url]http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom[/url] The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United Kingdom is 6.71 firearms per 100 people In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more rifles is reported to be 2005: 57% Proportion of Households with Shotguns In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more shotguns is reported to be 2005: 67% The number of licensed gun owners in the United Kingdom is reported to be 842,665 apparently at least 842,665 britons want guns[/QUOTE] You conveniently left out: [QUOTE][B]Proportion of Households with Firearms[/B] In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more guns is reported to be 2004/05: 6.0%[/QUOTE]
man yall dont like being called out for hypocrisy do you
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533786][url]http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom[/url] The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United Kingdom is 6.71 firearms per 100 people In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more rifles is reported to be 2005: 57% Proportion of Households with Shotguns In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more shotguns is reported to be 2005: 67% The number of licensed gun owners in the United Kingdom is reported to be 842,665 apparently at least 842,665 britons want guns[/QUOTE] Dodgy statistics which don't make sense upon a cursory look at them. 67% of households have a shotgun? really?!?!!!!! I guess I don't know my own country.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533786][url]http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom[/url] The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The estimated rate of private gun ownership (both licit and illicit) in the United Kingdom is 6.71 firearms per 100 people In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more rifles is reported to be 2005: 57% Proportion of Households with Shotguns In the United Kingdom, the percentage of households with one or more shotguns is reported to be 2005: 67% The number of licensed gun owners in the United Kingdom is reported to be 842,665 apparently at least 842,665 britons want guns[/QUOTE] the vast majority of these guns are held by farmers or civilian institutions (such as ones involved in agriculture, groundskeeping, etc) a great number of those licensed gun owners have a license because it involves their job in some capacity.
my favorite thing is how you hate americans so much that you're bent on arguing with me even though i largely agree with you on the self defense point within the context of this issue and was solely here to point out hypocritical bullshit from some of yall
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533807]man yall dont like being called out for hypocrisy do you[/QUOTE] What hypocrisy? We live in a democracy, and guns are unpopular. Ergo, gun ownership is significantly prohibited.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533807]man yall dont like being called out for hypocrisy do you[/QUOTE] what hypocrisy
How convenient for this to happen a week before Brexit. Still so very awful.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533809]Dodgy statistics which don't make sense upon a cursory look at them. 67% of households have a shotgun? really?!?!!!!! I guess I don't know my own country.[/QUOTE] I must only know the 33% of the population who don't own a firearm.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533819]my favorite thing is how you hate americans so much that you're bent on arguing with me even though i largely agree with you on the self defense point within the context of this issue and was solely here to point out hypocritical bullshit from some of yall[/QUOTE] Who said they hate americans lol
[QUOTE=Wiggles;50533822]What hypocrisy? We live in a democracy, and guns are unpopular. Ergo, gun ownership is significantly prohibited.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533706]i love all the brits in here going THIS IS NO TIME FOR A GUN DEBATE almost immediately after some of those same people triggered a gun debate in the orlando shooting thread ah fellas[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50533809]Dodgy statistics which don't make sense upon a cursory look at them. 67% of households have a shotgun? really?!?!!!!! I guess I don't know my own country.[/QUOTE] I believe it means what percentage of households that have a firearm have a shotgun/rifle. But because he left out the preceding statistic about total households with firearms it is very misleading.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50533827]How convenient for this to happen a week before Brexit. Still so very awful.[/QUOTE] Almost like if it was planned - to turn the poll around. I bet some could speculate that way about this.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533819]my favorite thing is how you hate americans so much that you're bent on arguing with me even though i largely agree with you on the self defense point within the context of this issue and was solely here to point out hypocritical bullshit from some of yall[/QUOTE] Why are you so hell bent on this when you don't even live in the UK? It's not your problem. Britain doesn't like guns, leave it at that for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;50533706]i love all the brits in here going THIS IS NO TIME FOR A GUN DEBATE almost immediately after some of those same people triggered a gun debate in the orlando shooting thread ah fellas[/QUOTE] A bit different when the UK doesn't actually have a gun problem.
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50533861]Almost like if it was planned - to turn the poll around. I bet some could speculate that way about this.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a ridiculous conspiracy theory I can hear being floated by some absolute idiots.
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