• UK MP Jo Cox dies after reports of shooting and stabbing in West Yorkshire
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[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537205][B]I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, the European Union has a lot to lose if we vote out.[/B] If the UK vote does go through then whats to stop other countries from leaving as well? It will be a huge blow to them and could in fact slowly destroy what they've built today. This vote effects everyone in Europe and the rest of the world, so you better know damn well what your voting for is right thing to do.[/QUOTE] if this is a view that people in the UK actually hold, we are fucking doomed as a country like, the EU killed an MP to swing votes in favour of remain? literally doomed
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50537586]if this is a view that people in the UK actually hold, we are fucking doomed as a country like, the EU killed an MP to swing votes in favour of remain? literally doomed[/QUOTE] The worlds not gonna end because people vote out, you make sound like its the end of days. If you can't handle why people have different views on subjects like this then just disagree and move on.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537642]The worlds not gonna end because people vote out, you make sound like its the end of days. If you can't handle why people have different views on subjects like this then just disagree and move on.[/QUOTE] hes saying britain is doomed if people are stupid enough to think she was killed by the EU in some vast conspiracy.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537642]The worlds not gonna end because people vote out, you make sound like its the end of days. If you can't handle why people have different views on subjects like this then just disagree and move on.[/QUOTE] yes it's definitely that people are voting leave, that's what i can't handle not that people are saying (or "not being surprised by") that an MP was shot and killed because it was a political move for pro-remain
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50537660]yes it's definitely that people are voting leave, that's what i can't handle not that people are saying (or "not being surprised by") that an MP was shot and killed because it was a political move for pro-remain[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50537647]hes saying britain is doomed if people are stupid enough to think she was killed by the EU in some vast conspiracy.[/QUOTE] Don't read too much into what I'm saying, if anything I'm only speculating on what information we have at the time. I'm still concerned about the whole EU vote coming soon, but you have to admit the timing of this incident is rather convenient.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537642]The worlds not gonna end because people vote out, you make sound like its the end of days. If you can't handle why people have different views on subjects like this then just disagree and move on.[/QUOTE] I've got to admit I started having less respect for your opinion as soon as you implied that this was a organised governmental conspiracy - because that's something Alex Jones would say and Alex Jones believes they put chemicals in the water that turns the frogs gay
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537747]I've got to admit I started having less respect for your opinion as soon as you implied that this was a organised governmental conspiracy - because that's something Alex Jones would say and Alex Jones believes they put chemicals in the water that turns the frogs gay[/QUOTE] Would people stop with the labels on people please? I'm not Alex Jones I hate that idiot, i hate ukip and bnp and dont want anything to do with them. I don't watch debates with politicians or read newspapers because its mostly misinformation going about. I just went about my own way to get my own opinion on this vote because this effects my future, my family's future, my neighbours and my country future.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537708]Don't read too much into what I'm saying, if anything I'm only speculating on what information we have at the time. I'm still concerned about the whole EU vote coming soon, but you have to admit the timing of this incident is rather convenient.[/QUOTE] Not really. I'd say it's the most probable timing with all the misinformation that's apparently been spread around over the past weeks, assuming the shooter didn't plan very far ahead. Considering how [I]unbelievably[/I] stupid politically motivated murder is in just about every modern society, and that we know for a fact he is a nationalist, I can't imagine he thought very far in an even remotely sensible direction. That said, I'm pretty sure this will affect the vote. Killing someone outside of very specific circumstances like self-defence is one of if not [I]the[/I] most effective way to get undecided voters to vote in support to the victim. The mayor of Cologne for example was elected with a huge margin after one round of voting (though she was expected to win in any case).
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537765]Would people stop with the labels on people please? I'm not Alex Jones I hate that idiot, i hate ukip and bnp and dont want anything to do with them. I don't watch debates with politicians or read newspapers because its mostly misinformation going about. I just went about my own way to get my own opinion on this vote because this effects my future, my family's future, my neighbours and my country future.[/QUOTE] Right, but when one of your first points of view I hear on the subject is that you wouldn't be surprised if the murder of this poor woman is a false flag, I question your judgement that brought you to that decision
[QUOTE=AK'z;50536988]this murder is totally about the BREXIT and not the american gun control debate. Why in the arse did someone completely hijack the thread to talk about their mess. I think this event changes everything, the motive is disgusting.[/QUOTE] Can you elaborate on how this changes everything? Unless you assume that if he somehow yelled 'Give me EU trade or give me death' would have somehow tainted the stay camp, this shoudnt change anything... What if someone did this and yelled 'dont kill the gays' would that mean the gays that are mourning the 50 killed are responcible? What if someone did this and yelled 'democracy rules' Would it then be the moral thing to change to a totalitarian state? A crazy did something crazy... no leave camp politician called for killing MPs or anyone else. why do they or their beliefs hold responsibility?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537747]I've got to admit I started having less respect for your opinion as soon as you implied that this was a organised governmental conspiracy - because that's something Alex Jones would say and Alex Jones believes they put chemicals in the water that turns the frogs gay[/QUOTE] Saw someone share a video on facebook "debunking" the political element on this murder. The only source was infowars so yeah they jumped on it immediately.
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537747]I've got to admit I started having less respect for your opinion as soon as you implied that this was a organised governmental conspiracy - because that's something Alex Jones would say and Alex Jones believes they put chemicals in the water that turns the frogs gay[/QUOTE] Well... technically, what alex said is crazy, but it can be read in a way that is true... if by 'they' you mean ovulating women or women on the pill and if by 'chemicals' you mean female hormones and by 'gay' you mean hermaphrodite. Its probably one of his lesser crazy rants, since deep down he has a point... amphibians turning hermaphrodite from sewage is a real and pressing issue for biodiversity...
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537794]Right, but when one of your first points of view I hear on the subject is that you wouldn't be surprised if the murder of this poor woman is a false flag, I question your judgement that brought you to that decision[/QUOTE] Would it surprise you to say I was angry this happened? But don't kid yourself into thinking that this lady's death won't change someone's view on how to vote.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50537814]Can you elaborate on how this changes everything? Unless you assume that if he somehow yelled 'Give me EU trade or give me death' would have somehow tainted the stay camp, this shoudnt change anything... What if someone did this and yelled 'dont kill the gays' would that mean the gays that are mourning the 50 killed are responcible? What if someone did this and yelled 'democracy rules' Would it then be the moral thing to change to a totalitarian state? A crazy did something crazy... no leave camp politician called for killing MPs or anyone else. why do they or their beliefs hold responsibility?[/QUOTE] She was outspoken about supporting refugees and as pro remain. She was assassinated by a white nationalist (police search of flat came up with links to american neo nazis along with race war literature) who shouted "britain first" while doing it. Britain First is a nationalist/far right/race war advocating group in the UK who are opposed to refugees but also happen to be very much pro brexit. The leave camp are obviously nothing to do with this; but he shared views with and associated himself with Britain First who are pro leave. He might have attacked her for either reason but its likely he attacked for both reasons. Just a sick lonely radical loser, tbh tho I think Britain First should be considered terrorists already, using violence and fear to push their agenda and spreading a hateful ideaology that has lead to people being murdered.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537708]Don't read too much into what I'm saying, if anything I'm only speculating on what information we have at the time. I'm still concerned about the whole EU vote coming soon, but you have to admit the timing of this incident is rather convenient.[/QUOTE] convenient for who? jo cox? wacko shoots outwardly pro-leave MP coming up to referendum on whether or not to leave the EU doesn't sound "convenient" for pro-leave, it sounds like the wacko was inspired by an imminent vote to go and kill someone
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50537829]Well... technically, what alex said is crazy, but it can be read in a way that is true... if by 'they' you mean ovulating women or women on the pill and if by 'chemicals' you mean female hormones and by 'gay' you mean hermaphrodite. Its probably one of his lesser crazy rants, since deep down he has a point... amphibians turning hermaphrodite from sewage is a real and pressing issue for biodiversity...[/QUOTE] Right, but much like this situation, the issue isn't the event that happened/is happening, but the conclusions some people jump to. I was raised by a family of anti-government Marxists, and I don't trust the government myself really, but implying that it's more likely that it was a clandestine operation to assassinate a relatively small MP, rather than just a mentally ill people with extremist views, is a pretty ridiculous chasm to jump
Frankly I think that anyone would even want to murder a innocent woman in cold blood is disgusting, but unfortunately this has been happening more and more in the UK (Gun Violence that is), a couple of months ago a boy was shot in my town. My prayers are with her husband and 2 children.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537831]Would it surprise you to say I was angry this happened? But don't kid yourself into thinking that this lady's death won't change someone's view on how to vote.[/QUOTE] no one is kidding themselves, but going from 'this woman's death will influence people's decision' to 'this woman's death was orchestrated by higher powers to influence people's decision' is a pretty big leap
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50537843]convenient for who? jo cox? wacko shoots outwardly pro-leave MP coming up to referendum on whether or not to leave the EU doesn't sound "convenient" for pro-leave, it sounds like the wacko was inspired by an imminent vote to go and kill someone[/QUOTE] So you know 100% that this guy is just a wacko? Also it's been mentioned the shout speech he said wasnt true.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537871]So you know 100% that this guy is just a wacko? Also it's been mentioned the shout speech he said wasnt true.[/QUOTE] Proof for this?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50537841]She was outspoken about supporting refugees and as pro remain. She was assassinated by a white nationalist (police search of flat came up with links to american neo nazis along with race war literature) who shouted "britain first" while doing it. Britain First is a nationalist/far right/race war advocating group in the UK who are opposed to refugees but also happen to be very much pro brexit. The leave camp are obviously nothing to do with this; but he shared views with and associated himself with Britain First who are pro leave. He might have attacked her for either reason but its likely he attacked for both reasons. Just a sick lonely radical loser, tbh tho I think Britain First should be considered terrorists already, using violence and fear to push their agenda and spreading a hateful ideaology that has lead to people being murdered.[/QUOTE] the britain first claim was never confirmed and is currently being disputed.
[QUOTE=lintz;50537882]the britain first claim was never confirmed and is currently being disputed.[/QUOTE] Everything I've seen either hasn't mentioned it or has stated he did shout that. His flat being searched also confirmed he was a far right, race war nut. Can you provide proof for it being disputed? Apart from 2 facepunchers disputing it.
[media]https://twitter.com/LBC/status/743707962988847104[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/743464352066453504[/media] Basically it is unconfirmed however there is a lot of other proof now that regardless of whether he actually said 'Britain First', he was a far-right lunatic anyway.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537871]So you know 100% that this guy is just a wacko? Also it's been mentioned the shout speech he said wasnt true.[/QUOTE] he shot and killed someone in the street, and while she was on the ground bleeding to death, started kicking her he's a wacko or are you saying that there is something in his actions that wasn't completely insane?
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537855]Right, but much like this situation, the issue isn't the event that happened/is happening, but the conclusions some people jump to. I was raised by a family of anti-government Marxists, and I don't trust the government myself really, but implying that it's more likely that it was a clandestine operation to assassinate a relatively small MP, rather than just a mentally ill people with extremist views, is a pretty ridiculous chasm to jump[/QUOTE] Anti government... Marxists... What? you mean Socialists? or anarcho communists? Marxists are pretty heavy on government, even if its a commune government.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50537914]Anti government... Marxists... What? you mean Socialists? or anarcho communists? Marxists are pretty heavy on government, even if its a commune government.[/QUOTE] I meant my family don't trust the government in its current iteration
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50537913]he shot and killed someone in the street, and while she was on the ground bleeding to death, started kicking her he's a wacko or are you saying that there is something in his actions that wasn't completely insane?[/QUOTE] I don't know, I'm just waiting for more information to come through before I rush into things and get misinformation.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537924]I don't know, I'm just waiting for more information to come through before I rush into things and get misinformation.[/QUOTE] Is that why you said you wouldn't be surprised if it were some government conspiracy? Hardly sounds like you're avoiding jumping to conclusions tbh.
[QUOTE=X-JIDE;50537924]I don't know, I'm just waiting for more information to come through before I rush into things and get misinformation.[/QUOTE] [quote]This is definitely a political assassination if I've even seen one. This is all about the EU referendum, don't be misguided in thinking that this means voting out means you support this sort of thing. Someone else is playing the public like fools to think they can change the votes this way. This isn't about guns, or mental illness or anything else like that. This is just a desperate way to get more votes to stay in the EU and I'm not falling for it. It's just sad that someone had to lose their lives because of this. And the 2 children now will never understand why this had happened to them. :( [/quote] it sounds like you've already rushed in, that's the issue
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;50537933]it sounds like you've already rushed in, that's the issue[/QUOTE] Yeah I was angry, and I rushed into that I already regret what i said. Can you blame me, I just want to know what justification he had in killing her.
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