[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49510617]because it's a fUCKING DEMO
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
i'm not saying valve will never make a multiplayer vive game, or even that they're not developing one as we speak
i'm saying it comes as no surprise that their [B][I][U]demo[/U][/I][/B] was a singleplayer game
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
let me pull out this quote from literally like half a page up
pay special attention to the phrase 'tech demo'
what i'm saying is that it's my opinion that valve will try to only make multiplayer cashgrab games unless literally forced to make a single-player experience out of circumstance
this discussion between us is over[/QUOTE]
yeah you're clearly just going to talk at me and not with me
because 1) I never even went near saying you said "Theyll never do it" you put words in my mouth.
can you even breathe and walk at the same time
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
catbarf literally posited the exact same argument as i did like 7 posts ago, but you're still sitting over here in the corner frothing at the mouth and twitching erratically
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[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49510669]can you even breathe and walk at the same time
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
catbarf literally posited the exact same argument as i did like 7 posts ago, but you're still sitting over here in the corner frothing at the mouth and twitching erratically[/QUOTE]
Wow
just fucking wow.
i call em like i see em bucko
Well I'll say this much, you have the skill of hyperbole
i'll just leave this here because apparently your scroll wheel is broken or something
[QUOTE=catbarf;49510518]
Because that's cheap to make and easy to demo, and shows off the sort of thing other companies could do?
Are you seriously trying to say that the fact that a [I]tech demo[/I] is single-player shows that a company that hasn't released a single-player game since 2011 is actually still actively making single-player games? What kind of a stretch is that?[/QUOTE]
Because he made a good argument.
You however, have just insulted me post after post and ignored anything I say and then put words in my mouth, then insult me again
jesus christ bucko.
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
"Guy doesn't agree with me about things, better flat out say he's too stupid to be alive"
Like how are you really thinking you made good arguments here compared to catbarf?
HumanAbyss, I'm really not seeing how this is eluding you. A tech demo is a self-contained demo of a new technology. They're almost always singleplayer because firstly, you usually show off a tech demo in a contained environment which may not have network access, secondly, they're often meant for limited release and don't have the gameplay or the audience to support a robust community, thirdly, networking is a giant pain in the ass to implement so it's an utter waste of effort for a five minute demo, and fourthly, a tech demo is all about controlling the environment to give a tailored experience for the user and multiplayer utterly ruins that.
Why on earth would Valve make a multiplayer tech demo to show off the capabilities of a hardware platform that hasn't been released to the public yet? 'Look at our multiplayer demo, too bad you can't do anything in it because there's nobody else playing'?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49510699]Because he made a good argument.
You however, have just insulted me post after post and ignored anything I say and then put words in my mouth, then insult me again
jesus christ bucko.[/QUOTE]
who's putting words in who's mouth here
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49510548]you're saying, that there's no one with a vive to populate servers with
so, in your mind, this means that there's absolutely no way, method, manner, or reason, for anyone to develop a game for a future market because, again, in your mind, there's no manner to player test or do anything with the game in terms of testing or playing.
I disagree.
Call me an idiot or whatever the fuck you want, I don't see how your argument is air tight.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49510525]again, why wouldn't you develop something before it comes out?
Do console multiplayer titles only get made once a console has sold really well? Or are they made before it comes out in anticipation?[/QUOTE]
looks an awful lot like you're trying to pull false implications out of my really fucking simplistic position of 'easier to make a singleplayer tech demo than a multiplayer one'
[quote]"Guy doesn't agree with me about things, better flat out say he's too stupid to be alive"
Like how are you really thinking you made good arguments here compared to catbarf?[/quote]
i don't give a shit about catbarf's argument (although it was a good one and i agree), it's simply the same point i was trying to make and i was just trying to elaborate on my own point because apparently it confused you??????
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
but fucking congrats on making a fucking argument about fucking videogames make me resort to pouring myself a stiff drink, i fucking wish i could say this is the first time
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49510693]i'll just leave this here because apparently your scroll wheel is broken or something[/QUOTE]
Calm down dude. Don't fly off the handle because someone disagrees with you, present an argument like a normal person instead.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49510726]Calm down dude. Don't fly off the handle because someone disagrees with you, present an argument like a normal person instead.[/QUOTE]
i don't argue well with people who're too busy thinking i said something i didn't
[QUOTE=catbarf;49510720]HumanAbyss, I'm really not seeing how this is eluding you. A tech demo is a self-contained demo of a new technology. They're almost always singleplayer because firstly, you usually show off a tech demo in a contained environment which may not have network access, secondly, they're often meant for limited release and don't have the gameplay or the audience to support a robust community, thirdly, networking is a giant pain in the ass to implement so it's an utter waste of effort for a five minute demo, and fourthly, a tech demo is all about controlling the environment to give a tailored experience for the user and multiplayer utterly ruins that.
Why on earth would Valve make a multiplayer tech demo to show off the capabilities of a hardware platform that hasn't been released to the public yet? 'Look at our multiplayer demo, too bad you can't do anything in it because there's nobody else playing'?[/QUOTE]
I get your argument. I understand that this is unlikely to be done because it would be hard to get people to play it.
But a game like Hovercarts(a vive demo, I'm trying to remember the name) is a multiplayer tech demo essentially for the Vive, so I'm just not 100% sold on it. i understand the argument, I agree it's likely, but I don't agree 100% and because of that I'm apparently so fucking stupid I can't breath, walk, and think at the same time.
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49510741]i don't argue well with people who're too busy thinking i said something i didn't[/QUOTE]
and outright flaming me and resorting to PUI is really a great and highly mature way to make it seem like you're the one who did nothing wrong.
I'm sorry I misunderstood you. Now feel free to insult me all you fucking want, you need it apparently.
you're a real fucking piece of work dude
you spent this whole page with your fingers in your ears and now you're making it seem like i'm to blame for getting upset at your own fuck-up
and for your information, i only just got the glass, so no PUI going on here
[editline]11th January 2016[/editline]
also i didn't really need your permission to feel free to insult you tbh
[QUOTE=Conscript;49507355]Man we started off with a single player experience that defined both valve and pc gaming in its golden age, and ended with a MOBA[/QUOTE]
which defined the entire MOBA genre and made it what it is today
[quote], a puzzle game[/quote]
which had a very unique idea and interesting tech at the time
[quote]and CS as always. [/quote]
1. compared to other game sequals in our day and age, the amount of "another CS as always" is a very misguided thing to say
2. CS required refreshment and rejuvination of esports scene.
I stopped caring about HL3 as the next guy, but you're seriously crying over nothing. Valve does a fuckload of stuff; the fact that you do not see it does not mean nothing is going on; the fact that they are not audibly working on HL3 is worrying but there is a world beyond HL3 for Valve devs, i'm pretty sure.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49510411]how many current-or-next-gen multiplayer VR games do you know of?
and why would valve design one (possibly the first one) just to demonstrate a piece of hardware that isn't even out yet?[/QUOTE]
Just off the top of my head, I can list Hover Junkers, Elite Dangerous and Eve Valkyrie. If you consider support post-release, I'd list TF2 and DCS.
[QUOTE=catbarf;49510518]Are you seriously trying to say that the fact that a [I]tech demo[/I] is single-player shows that a company that hasn't released a single-player game since 2011 is actually still actively making single-player games? What kind of a stretch is that?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that the Portal VR tech demo is evidence that Valve isn't past making single-player experiences with small contained stories.
Does it not count because it is labeled as a tech demo? Does all of the work spent modelling, animating, designing controls, and voice acting suddenly not count because it only lasts a couple minutes?
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49510783]which defined the entire MOBA genre and made it what it is today[/quote]
Right, I'm sure they're quit influential in that market, but it's not a market that [B]I[/B] personally give a shit about, and not a genre that [B]I[/B] personally think is interesting in anyway. But that's just me. The argument here is that Valve has completely reconfigured itself from what it used to be know for and instead has refocused their entire business on Dota and CS:GO. Even something like L4D or Portal isn't good enough for them because it's too interactive to successfully market microtransactions outside of vanity items. Valve doesn't care about games anymore, and they're becoming what people used to complain about EA for: a publisher which only cares about microtransactions. Valve and steam used to be our model for amazing games AND a good, fair, usable distribution system. Today, their distribution system has been rewired to promote Microtransactions, has a very poor screening process for indie games (allowing scams and unplayable pieces of shit on their store, lowering the quality of indie and PC games in general), and they don't even make games anymore. I remember when people were upset about Left 4 Dead 2 because they were anticipating shitty business practices from Valve and everybody called them stupid. And yet, here we are today.
[quote]
1. compared to other game sequals in our day and age, the amount of "another CS as always" is a very misguided thing to say
2. CS required refreshment and rejuvination of esports scene.
I stopped caring about HL3 as the next guy, but you're seriously crying over nothing. Valve does a fuckload of stuff; the fact that you do not see it does not mean nothing is going on; the fact that they are not audibly working on HL3 is worrying but there is a world beyond HL3 for Valve devs, i'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE]
Right, but once again eSports and MOBAs are, in my opinion, the lowest form of videogame entertainment.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49511452]Right, I'm sure they're quit influential in that market, but it's not a market that [B]I[/B] personally give a shit about, and not a genre that [B]I[/B] personally think is interesting in anyway.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Valve doesn't care about games anymore, and they're becoming what people used to complain about EA for: a publisher which only cares about microtransactions.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Right, but once again eSports and MOBAs are, in my opinion, the lowest form of videogame entertainment.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you just summed up this whole thread.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49510699]Because he made a good argument.
Like how are you really thinking you made good arguments here compared to catbarf?[/QUOTE]
So instead you decide it's a good idea to argue over Lord's inability to compose his argument properly? brilliant.
[editline]12th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49511452]Right, I'm sure they're quit influential in that market, but it's not a market that [B]I[/B] personally give a shit about, and not a genre that [B]I[/B] personally think is interesting in anyway.
Right, but once again eSports and MOBAs are, in my opinion, the lowest form of videogame entertainment.[/QUOTE]
[quote]But that's just me.
[/quote]
And that's your problem, not Valve's or anyone else's.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49511968]
And that's your problem, not Valve's or anyone else's.[/QUOTE]
Well of course. This entire thread is an opinion thread. It's not like valve is the US government and they're doing something [I]illegal[/I]. I'm just saying that in my opinion valve is only the shell of the company they used to be. There's no brand loyalty left for me. I use to be a big valve fanboy but now they just another EA to me. There's nothing good left about them as a company.
[editline]12th January 2016[/editline]
It's like if Apple decided to stop selling computers and instead focus on their iCloud or music streaming services. Apple fans would complain because they like Macbooks. Sure, it's their right to take a new direction, but a lot of people would rightfully be unhappy with it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49507825]I think valve has hurt PC gaming. Sure they've made it more popular, but I think they've turned it into an eSports/indie game niche. Instead of bringing console gamers to PC like they wanted, and thus bringing more AAA titles to the PC, they've brought a stupid shitty twitch, cs:go, and Dota subculture that is really annoying to be around. Competitive gaming sucks. I remember an 11 year old asked me if I played csgo. I said yeah sometimes. He asked me like what rank I am or some shit and I said I have no clue I just play the game for fun. He said "wow I bet you're only silver" or something. I was like BITCH I'VE BEEN PLAYING CS FOR ALOST AS LONG AS YOU'VE EXISTED.
But I digress. It's like the only things you see successful on PC anymore are indie games and esports. Indie games are fine, but they don't have the budget to make a really great, awesome, epic game. Unfortunately, the console market has that cornered.
PC gaming is now about epic maymays, twitch, streaming, youtubers, microtransactions, and quirky indie games which people make fun of you for liking (undertale, fnaf) because theyre too mainstream or something.
I used to be an xbox 360 gamer. Then it got expensive so I stopped. Now. I might just want to go back to console gaming. If I can save up the money and had to choose between a killer new PC and a console, I'd probably buy a PS4[/QUOTE]
Steam made PC Gaming absolutely explode. Now every kind of game can get an audience, not just big budget stuff. If you actually think that Valve has only contributed eSports, and they somehow invented memes, twitch, and youtube, microtransactions, and indies, you're deluding yourself.
Also moving to consoles to try and avoid social media in games is like moving to california to avoid mexicans.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;49512282]Steam made PC Gaming absolutely explode. Now every kind of game can get an audience, not just big budget stuff. If you actually think that Valve has only contributed eSports, and they somehow invented memes, twitch, and youtube, microtransactions, and indies, you're deluding yourself.
Also moving to consoles to try and avoid social media in games is like moving to california to avoid mexicans.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to avoid the culture, I'm trying to get good games. It seems like the best games on PC are mid-tier budgeted games at best. I miss AAA titles. MGSV is good but it's an obvious Xbox port. I just feel like Valve has made "PC games" a genre in itself rather than a platform for games in general to be on.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49512359]I'm not trying to avoid the culture, I'm trying to get good games. It seems like the best games on PC are mid-tier budgeted games at best. I miss AAA titles. MGSV is good but it's an obvious Xbox port. I just feel like Valve has made "PC games" a genre in itself rather than a platform for games in general to be on.[/QUOTE]
That's because AAA games now focus on graphics and marketing over actually good design, you won't escape that by moving to a platform with primarily AAA games on it.
[QUOTE=Conscript;49507355]Man we started off with a single player experience that defined both valve and pc gaming in its golden age, and ended with a MOBA, a puzzle game, an adopted ut2k4 mod, and CS as always. What are we even defending or holding on to?
There's obviously been significant change that doesn't fit everybody's palate, certainly that of quite a few people who played valve games in the 2000s. I don't know why you're trying to fool yourself, trying to debunking claims of neglect with appeals to subjectivity since it goes both ways. I'm sure you can understand well enough that (at least subjectively) tf2 is old, Dota is forever niche, l4d2 is old in a competitive market, valve has a new focus and it has nothing to do with someone that likes a good single player experience. It's about a storefront, some hardware nobody asked for, micro transactions, and otherwise attempting to branch out and corner more of the PC market without doing what they originally did.
You can be optimistic about the future but there's no use denying the change and that, while you may subjectively find valve satisfying, others don't and I know you can see why. It's 2016 ffs, I graduated in 2011 and can hardly recall anything big valve has released from my perspective since that time. I'm still stuck in orange box mode.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck are Dota 2 and CS:GO NOT BIG? When combined that have 1.5 MILLION players AT THE SAME TIME.
They will always be more successful then Half-Life 3. No matter how good it is. People are just "well if it isn't half life 3, game doesn't count" and that is just plain ignorance and stupidity.
Valve is by no means a great company in some ways but again, releasing games that aren't "big" in your eyes is not one of those reasons because apparently alot of people think they are.
DOTA 2 is by no means fucking niche by the way, then ANY game is niche because DOTA 2 is one of the biggest games.
And just because they don't make single player experience, they only really did with Portal and Half-Life, They always had a larger focus on multiplayer games(Team Fortress, CS, Day of Defeat) A note though "pc gaming in it's golden age" that is pretty much right now.
This is about as close to an official statement on Laidlaw's retirement as we'll get from Valve: [url=http://valvesoftware.com/company/people.html]His corporate bio[/url] has been replaced with a quote from HL2's All-Knowing Vort.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JLrJpQK.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=The Kins;49512886]This is about as close to an official statement on Laidlaw's retirement as we'll get from Valve: [url=http://valvesoftware.com/company/people.html]His corporate bio[/url] has been replaced with a quote from HL2's All-Knowing Vort.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JLrJpQK.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's an amazingly suitable quote for this situation. Also very positive, its almost as if he knows something great is coming but no-one outside valve can see it coming.
[QUOTE=mix999;49514636]That's an amazingly suitable quote for this situation. Also very positive, its almost as if he knows something great is coming but no-one outside valve can see it coming.[/QUOTE]
steam is now subscription based, all existing valve games are free to play.
Doug Wood is retiring now :( whyyy
[url]https://www.facebook.com/doug.wood.98031/posts/217108945297854[/url]
so pretty much, key people who created the half-life games will leave before the next installment is ever conceived? nice to see the future of the series.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49686716]so pretty much, key people who created the half-life games will leave before the next installment is ever conceived? nice to see the future of the series.[/QUOTE]
Or they're finished. We know it was under development, despite what idiots will tell you. The file that bled into Dota 2 contained references that could only have been made since about June of last year. Not to mention other small leaks about the series. If they're wrapping it up, and after having worked for so long, stands to reason they'd all retire at the end of development.
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49686716]so pretty much, key people who created the half-life games will leave before the next installment is ever conceived? nice to see the future of the series.[/QUOTE]
Oh it should already have been conceived alright, just not yet born.
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