UKIP leader Nigel Farage "Women must sacrifice family life to succeed in City." - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;43607876]Except he's saying 'Oh women[B][I] can [/I][/B]do better than men in some cases', but doesn't even begin to suggest that taking time off to have a baby can offset this. Having a little bit of time off automatically makes you a bad investment - that is simply not true in the broader sense, especially as a woman can have a 20 year career but there is still an 'oh well shes biologically not as financially worthwhile because she can have a few months off in that time'. It's a silly statement imo.[/QUOTE] To be honest, generally speaking you're often not looking at a few months but, you tend to look at reduced work amount for a fair long time after the pregnancy. In part this can change after men are going to work more in families, and it will be socially expected. But right now, it's usually the woman that cares for a sick kid, ferries it to school and takes more care of it. Basically you need thoe things to happen first - men caring more often, society getting to terms with it.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;43611784]why is it that you appear in any thread w/ ukip and defend them[/QUOTE] Because normally they get attacked far more than any other party would for a similar thing.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;43611784]why is it that you appear in any thread w/ ukip and defend them[/QUOTE] Ukip doesn't deserve a lot of the shit it gets, there are bad things about them and there are good things about them and I want people to stop acting like there are only bad things. [QUOTE=Scrappa;43611854]Because normally they get attacked far more than any other party would for a similar thing.[/QUOTE] This pretty much.

[QUOTE=The mouse;43611856]there are good things about them[/QUOTE] what about their manifesto? its the exact opposite of sane

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43611895]what about their manifesto? its the exact opposite of sane[/QUOTE] Although have a flat tax isn't necessarily the solution, you must agree that our tax system is massively over complicated and needs simplifying. Ukip says the NHS should be run by local County Health Boards so that spending and running can be done according to each counties need and bringing Procurement specialists to streamline the NHS resourcing and a similar system for Education. Increasing funding of Public Transport and infrastructure .I am personally a Eurosceptic so I agree with them there as well as their immigration policies of a points system. Now there are some bad things such as their environmental policies and their attitude toward Gay marriage, but as I've said they have good policies too. More so Ukip has done a lot to encourage debate and get people involved in politics, you may disagree with their views but surely it's a good thing that people are atleast talking about these things now as a result of Ukip.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;43609702]The difference is if the Woman wants to start a family, she's the one who has to give birth to the child and is under a lot of not just emotional but physical stress during pregnancy. While a man might go under emotional stress when his wife or girlfriend is pregnant (though still a lot less than her) he doesn't have any actual physical problems that might stop him working. A Woman who wants to continue working while raising a family simply can't for some time until she has recovered from her pregnancy. A man who wants to continue working while raising a family has no physical barriers stopping him from doing that so I think what Farage said about it being simple biology is correct.[/QUOTE] My great grandmother went back to her physically demanding job the day she gave birth to my grandfather during the great depression....and suffered serious health consequences...so I have no point to make. Even if the birth goes smoothly, months of the body releasing massive amounts of natural muscle relaxants, along with various other chemcals, to facilitate it is not something to shrug off.

[QUOTE=The mouse;43611218]A lot of these people aren't really racist in the KKK cross burning sense that the term implies[/QUOTE] Yes because that is the only possible use of the word racist [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] I love when UKIP threads come up because it reminds me just how fucking terrible their manifesto is

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;43609334]That's like looking at two employees, male and female, and saying "I don't know, the female might bail to raise a family." What, like the male won't?[/QUOTE] If a father goes on parental leaves, it's a couple of weeks at most. If a mother goes on parental leave, it's usually for over half a year. Maybe it's different in your country, or at your employer, but wherever I've worked this tends to be the case. You can laugh at the 'biology' thing, but the last time I've checked it's still impossible for a man to become pregnant and give birth.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;43609629]Or maybe it's because the media love to paint them as racists. If I were to go on every other episode of Mock The Week, HIGNFY or what have you and make a load of jokes about you being racist, you'd start defending yourself.[/QUOTE] if people keep making jokes about you being racist maybe theres like a reason???

i don't see why people focus so much on the whole racist aspect of ukip anyway, regardless of whether or not they hate black people the country will be plunged into financial darkness by how fucking awful their economic policies are; it wouldn't just be minorities having a hard time, the entire lower - middle class would suffer tremendously. and what's wrong with maternity leave? holy shit next ukip supporters will say that sick pay is wrong because they shouldn't have been sick in the first place

[QUOTE=Aurastorm;43616299]i don't see why people focus so much on the whole racist aspect of ukip anyway, regardless of whether or not they hate black people the country will be plunged into financial darkness by how fucking awful their economic policies are; it wouldn't just be minorities having a hard time, the entire lower - middle class would suffer tremendously. and what's wrong with maternity leave? holy shit next ukip supporters will say that sick pay is wrong because they shouldn't have been sick in the first place[/QUOTE] We've been promised 'great' economic policies for the last 50 years. Please give me one example of a political party who's provided economic improvement without inadvertently creating huge underlying issues that remain dormant for years due to their risk-aversion.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43616874]We've been promised 'great' economic policies for the last 50 years. Please give me one example of a political party who's provided economic improvement without inadvertently creating huge underlying issues that remain dormant for years due to their risk-aversion.[/QUOTE] wow no other party has created a great economic policy in the last 50 years? great excuse to ruin the country at least with our current government the crippling poverty isn't purposely induced

"oh shit nobodys fixed the economy maybe a flat tax will do that just because its contrarian!"

[QUOTE=The mouse;43610798]The thing is that in all the parties you'll probably find the crazy extremists, infact Labour has or atleast used to have former BNP councillers working for them. Pointing out a couple examples in Ukip doesn't change the fact that the party it self isn't racist, as you said doesn't the fact that they've disciplined these people show that they aren't a racist party. Saying that Ukip thinks that all our problems come from "dirty foreigners" is a massive exaggeration, cracking down on unskilled immigration is only a small part of Ukip policy, they want a points system so that foreigners with skills can stay and work and their complaints stem from their EU grievances who have little to do with "dirty foreigners".[/QUOTE] A recent report on EU immigration was withheld by Theresa May because it was [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-delays-eu-immigration-report-because-it-is-too-positive-8994264.html]too positive.[/url] EU immigration is not a huge problem for the UK and access to free movement of goods and labour isn't the cause of all our problems.

[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;43618495]A recent report on EU immigration was withheld by Theresa May because it was [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-delays-eu-immigration-report-because-it-is-too-positive-8994264.html"]too positive.[/URL] EU immigration is not a huge problem for the UK and access to free movement of goods and labour isn't the cause of all our problems.[/QUOTE] That's why I said it's only a small part... Moreso, having a points system would only be positive for immigration as it means that we get to keep the majority of skilled immigrants while stopping the minority of unskilled ones.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43616275]if people keep making jokes about you being racist maybe theres like a reason???[/QUOTE] Like how people make jokes calling feminists "feminazis"?

[QUOTE=thisispain;43616275]if people keep making jokes about you being racist maybe theres like a reason???[/QUOTE] So we should all give in to hearsay because, hey if enough people say it, it must be true?

[QUOTE=The mouse;43620993]That's why I said it's only a small part... Moreso, having a points system would only be positive for immigration as it means that we get to keep the majority of skilled immigrants while stopping the minority of unskilled ones.[/QUOTE] It would mean withdrawing from the EU probably. That would fuck our economy big time.