IDF plans to opensfield hospital at the Erez border crossing for injured Palestinians, many Palestin - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45496296]I've a feeling even if it were managed by the Israeli staff, they still might think that they'll try to poison them or murder them or something like that.[/QUOTE] Or [B]kidnap them across the border into Israel[/B]. Remember, this is a field hospital at a [I]border crossing[/I]. It is a logical location for the IDF to erect a hospital at (as opposed to further into Palestinian territory, see how that goes), but how much will you trust your enemy after a lifetime of this shit?

We are not fighting for proportions we are fighting for peace and this is how we are going to get it. We prefer air-strikes over using soldiers that could risk their lives. Hamas uses heavily populated area exactly because of that, so if you want to talk about proportions at least be objective. We had pulled out of Gaza strip 9 years ago; still fighting for peace in that area. We had given up on land for peace; they wanted more, and tried to kick us out and we won. It's not about peace for them, it's about the land. It's a terror group, stop playing with numbers and proportions as it is completely irrelevant. We are not fighting just Hamas here we are fighting also to bring public awareness to how these group works; look no further then Iraq ; they kill their own just like Hamas.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512024]We are not fighting for proportions we are fighting for peace and this is how we are going to get it. We prefer air-strikes over using soldiers that could risk their lives. Hamas uses heavily populated area exactly because of that, so if you want to talk about proportions at least be objective. We had pulled out of Gaza strip 9 years ago; still fighting for peace in that area. We had given up on land for peace; they wanted more, and tried to kick us out and we won. It's not about peace for them, it's about the land. It's a terror group, stop playing with numbers and proportions as it is completely irrelevant. We are not fighting just Hamas here we are fighting also to bring public awareness to how these group works; look no further then Iraq ; they kill their own just like Hamas.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ you're a broken record. All you've done is restate all the points you've already made, which have been addressed, without addressing anybody else's. Wanting to preserve Israeli soldier's lives is not a proper excuse to launch airstrikes on populated areas where there's going to be that much collateral. All Israel wants is peace? That's a fucking joke.

"Jesus Christ" you're the broken record. I've heard your thoughts about collateral damage a million times now, and you haven't addressed even one of mine that's not related to what's important to you. It's not an excuse, it's facts. You got a better suggestion? then make it. I'm not here to argue with you what's right or wrong, this is not what this whole conflict is about anyways if you haven't noticed.... If it were about right or wrong, we could had been in a different situation a long time ago. Also, I find it very hypocritical to criticize my government when your own acts the same, that is, not caring about civilians and that you don't negotiate with terrorists.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512201]"Jesus Christ" you're the broken record. I've heard your thoughts about collateral damage a million times now, and you haven't addressed even one of mine that's not related to what's important to you.[/QUOTE] Your argument boils down to 'Hamas are terrorists using humans shields the Israeli government are a peace-loving bunch using airstrikes on population centers to preserve the lives of its soldiers'. Is that not accurate? I've addressed everything there in my last few posts, so I won't repeat :) [QUOTE=Seith;45512201] It's not an excuse, it's facts. You got a better suggestion? then make it. I'm not here to argue with you what's right or wrong, this is not what this whole conflict is about anyways if you haven't noticed.... [/QUOTE] You're not here to argue what's right or wrong?... What? Every single one of your posts in this thread consists of a defense of Israel. Maybe facts are being used [i]in[/i] those arguments, but if we're not arguing right or wrong then there's nothing to discuss. As for another method of dealing with Hamas. I'm no military tactician, but I don't know... using soldiers? Anything other than flat-out bombing population centers really. [QUOTE=Seith;45512201] If it were about right or wrong, we could had been in a different situation a long time ago. Also, I find it very hypocritical to criticize my government when your own acts the same, that is, not caring about civilians and that you don't negotiate with terrorists. [/QUOTE] It's not like I'm an individual or anything capable of having thoughts independent of my government.

........... I have no argument. Don't 'boil-down' anything. Don't interpret anything, because that's your own line of thoughts on mine. I'm not here to argue how we should had approached this situation, not here to argue if people dying justifies Israel's goal, I'm here to point out one thing; Hamas is a terror organization willing to sacrifice it's own people, while Israel is not and that's why we prefer air-strikes over soldiers going in. It's just so awkward, so weird, that we would prefer preserving our own rather than the ones we're fighting at. Would you let your own die in Iraq, in order to save civilian lives in Iraq? If you have nothing to suggest then, I really don't care what you have in mind. It's pointless.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512201]"Jesus Christ" you're the broken record. I've heard your thoughts about collateral damage a million times now, and you haven't addressed even one of mine that's not related to what's important to you. It's not an excuse, it's facts. You got a better suggestion? then make it. I'm not here to argue with you what's right or wrong, this is not what this whole conflict is about anyways if you haven't noticed.... If it were about right or wrong, we could had been in a different situation a long time ago. Also, I find it very hypocritical to criticize my government when your own acts the same, that is, not caring about civilians and that you don't negotiate with terrorists.[/QUOTE] It is like you don;t understand that people can be critical of their own government and both sides of a conflict. When you break it down to aftermath statistics, Israel has minimal damage done to them compared to their opposition. [QUOTE]We prefer air-strikes over using soldiers that could risk their lives. Hamas uses heavily populated area exactly because of that, so if you want to talk about proportions at least be objective. [/QUOTE] So base it on statistical evidence and remove the emotional factor. So objectively, israel has killed more civilians than hamas, destroyed civilian assets, destroyed their own designated shelters, and allied shelters that they were made aware of. Proportions do matter, in the scenario the US had to deal with we had a major financial institution(the world trade center) destroyed by a terrorist faction, and used that as a reason for our actions. We had over 2 and a half times as many casualties as there have been israelis that have died since 2000 as a result of palestine, in a single attack. Also, as a matter of fact I do have a suggestion, a pretty simple one in fact. Utilize light air to ground missiles, a guided missile such as the [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-176_Griffin[/URL] block Bs. Designed for low collateral and high accuracy, shoulder or air fired due to light weight, and a small fragmentary warhead. Even if it does not have the capacity to completely destroy the target site(unlikely, it is still nearly the strength of a 155mm he shell in explosive content), it will at least disable the equipment and likely kill the personnel there. Basically, a weapon designed to counter the tactics Hamas is using mostly. Israel doesn't stock very light air-surface missiles as far as I know, or at least do not do so publicly. There is a reason I consider structural damage as collateral unimportant,is that it can be rebuilt as I had said, if that is not what you were referring to as important I do not know what that is.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512423] ........... I have no argument. Don't 'boil-down' anything. Don't interpret anything, because that's your own line of thoughts on mine. [/QUOTE] All I did was paraphrase what you've said multiple times. [QUOTE=Seith;45512423] I'm not here to argue how we should had approached this situation, not here to argue if people dying justifies Israel's goal, I'm here to point out one thing; Hamas is a terror organization willing to sacrifice it's own people, while Israel is not and that's why we prefer air-strikes over soldiers going in. [/QUOTE] Looking at your earlier posts you were far more focused on pushing Israel's moral supremacy than simply stating facts. [QUOTE=Seith;45512423] If you have nothing to suggest then, I really don't care what you have in mind. It's pointless. [/QUOTE] It's not pointless. Just because I don't have an alternative sitting here on my desk doesn't mean someone with power can't come up with one, and the more international pressure put on Israel to do so the better.

I'll tell you why, CommunistCookie, because no one is willing to risk their own people for the sake of the people they are fighting at. It's a terror organization that fights using guerrilla tactics. There's no avoiding it.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512627]I'll tell you why, CommunistCookie, because no one is willing to risk their own people for the sake of the people they are fighting at. It's a terror organization that fights using guerrilla tactics. There's no avoiding it.[/QUOTE] And that's an extremely backwards mentality to have when you realize how uninvolved civilians on either side are. It's not an unwillingness to 'risk their own for those they're fighting' it's a failure to acknowledge that those who look and speak differently are equal humans worthy of consideration. Palestinians are not Hamas, Israelis are not the Netanyahu administration, and I am not the US government. Make the distinction. You can't tell me there's no avoiding it when, at the very least, the current Israeli government has done nothing but antagonize Palestine.

[QUOTE=Seith;45512627]I'll tell you why, CommunistCookie, because no one is willing to risk their own people for the sake of the people they are fighting at. It's a terror organization that fights using guerrilla tactics. There's no avoiding it.[/QUOTE] I'm not exactly sure why people think Israel is [I]trying[/I] for civilian casualties. In wartime, especially when fighting an organization with no identifying uniform and guerrilla tactics- it's a natural byproduct of war. One that absolutely sucks, but are essentially unavoidable.