• Teacher is hired, then immediately fired from school due to visible tattoos
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304836]That's him talking to you. Would [I]you[/I] talk to him?[/QUOTE] Sure. I mean, I've talked to people with Bob Marley, Che Gueverra, Lil' Wayne, Stalin shirts, even one guy with this creepy shirt that said "Let Me Fuck You" and they were all nice people to talk to, so why not? What's so optimist about this, I've done it before, I can do it again, I don't understand the complication you are making of this??
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;46304745]its really obvious from how the ones arguing against it write that it extends past personal taste and into the ~judgement zone~ and that is pretentious and that is bigoted. like not approaching someone for wearing a v-neck, i'd laugh if i didn't feel mortified by the shallowness. that kind of behavior can't be rationalized as taste. i really cant believe this discussion has gone on as long as it has.[/QUOTE] Not approaching someone for wearing a v-neck is one thing. It's like hating someone because of some super specific reason of yours. Lots of people don't like tattoos or piercings. It's not an abnormal thing. In a working environment, depending on wherever you work, it would be the same as greeting the queen of Englad in beach shorts and flip flops.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46304530]Okay, now go argue that anyone who says they don't like Justin Bieber fans is being bigoted and irrational and see how far that gets you. It's funny because I see [I]all sorts[/I] of generalizations on this forum about ICP fans, neckbeards, weeaboos, feminists, Homestuck fans, social justice warriors, conservatives, preachy Christians, vegans, republicans, and nobody seems to give a shit. But a guy says he doesn't like tattoos and suddenly WHOAH, HOLD UP, THAT'S BIGOTRY.[/QUOTE] It's a good point, and I agree with it, but face to face with anyone, I think they deserve to not be immediately judged for something I or someone else doesn't happen to like. That's all I was trying to argue. I'd have argued that regardless of the topic. [QUOTE=catbarf;46304530]He didn't say anyone who gets a tattoo is a terrible person or whatever, I don't see why you're all jumping down his throat about something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.[/QUOTE] It was primarily for this post. I thought it was pretty misguided. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304006]The kind of people who generally get tattoos and piercings are generally the kind of people I don't like or would like to be around. The lady in the OP falls into it.[/QUOTE] However you spin it, that's just not cool. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304006]I know it's generalizing and you'll try to show counter examples, but body mods have never sat well with me. I just don't like the idea of piercing your skin or putting ink in it.[/QUOTE] This part is fine, it's just that I don't get why he assumes that people without this sentiment are necessarily people he'd avoid.
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46304839]So...because a person is different or prefers an extreme body mod, that suddenly makes them unviable to converse with? That's just stupid. Sure different groups exist. The fact that they don't intertwine and mingle amongst each other more bothers me. Also. I don't find it disgusting to look at. People are different and prefer different things. I fail to see why that would disgust me or make me not want to talk to them.[/QUOTE] Yes, you're totally gonna be in a situation where you'll converse with someone with a hole in their face. Maybe not to you, but to someone else? Hence the different opinions/ideas/tastes.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304882]Yes, you're totally gonna be in a situation where you'll converse with someone with a hole in their face.[/QUOTE] You keep talking about that hole in your face but we're talking about normal situations such as tattoos and regular piercings, not rare occasions???
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46303785]I wouldn't call them stupid choices, but I don't like body modifications and am generally uncomfortable with people with tattoos and piercings.[/QUOTE] Careful mate, I've heard those folks with tattoos and piercings are aw rapey and tough and stuff!
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304882]Yes, you're totally gonna be in a situation where you'll converse with someone with a hole in their face.[/QUOTE] Actually I have a couple times. I still don't see your point.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304389]I don't go up and harass people with them. I'm just less inclined to talk with them.[/QUOTE] That's still a form of active prejudice [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304882]Yes, you're totally gonna be in a situation where you'll converse with someone with a hole in their face. Maybe not to you, but to someone else? Hence the different opinions/ideas/tastes.[/QUOTE] I have several facial piercings. Would you flat out not talk to me or be rude in a conversation because I have "holes in my face"?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46304895]You keep talking about that hole in your face but we're talking about normal situations such as tattoos and regular piercings, not rare occasions???[/QUOTE] And Jaguar also mentioned that he's fine with people who don't have that many body mods aswell.
i got my first tattoo a few days ago and I've already started smoking dust, breaking car windows and listening to music too loud on the bus then i rubbed my bloody, plasma-covered tattoo all over a a dudes face while yelling "YOU WOULD LOOK GOOD WITH A SEPTUM PIERCING" because i can't help myself
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46304909] I have several facial piercings. Would you flat out not talk to me or be rude in a conversation because I have "holes in my face"?[/QUOTE] Depends. I'd probably not shut up about them asking if they hurt and make squeamish faces. [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46304901]Actually I have a couple times. I still don't see your point.[/QUOTE] The people with the hole in the face would probably see the point though :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304826]I mean, I wouldn't be near someone who had a stretcher on his/her chin, that stuff gives me nausea, just like I'm sure they wouldn't be with some regular guy like me either.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304933]Depends. I'd probably not shut up about them asking if they hurt and make squeamish faces.[/QUOTE] If you got as far as speaking to him because evidently you find it so bad you can't stand to look at and wouldn't sit and talk to him.
Yes they hurt to get then they don't hurt anymore. My lip hurt for all of a day, my nose for 3 hours, my ears for a week, my brow for 2 days. It is a needle going through your skin after all but the body normalizes it pretty fast.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304933]The people with the hole in the face would probably see the point though :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] I don't get what you mean.
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46304947]If you got as far as speaking to him because evidently you find it so bad you can't stand to look at and wouldn't sit and talk to him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304933]Depends.[/QUOTE] Literaly right there. Wait... why would I have the need to have a long talk with anyone anyway? [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46304948]Yes they hurt to get then they don't hurt anymore. My lip hurt for all of a day, my nose for 3 hours, my ears for a week, my brow for 2 days. It is a needle going through your skin after all but the body normalizes it pretty fast.[/QUOTE] What did you get?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46304948]Yes they hurt to get then they don't hurt anymore. My lip hurt for all of a day, my nose for 3 hours, my ears for a week, my brow for 2 days. It is a needle going through your skin after all but the body normalizes it pretty fast.[/QUOTE] Aye. My eyebrow, nipple, and ear healed pretty fast. Although the guy went to far under my nipple and I had to take it out when I lost a ass ton of weight for some reason cause it hurt like a motherfucker.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304799][t]http://default-mightyfine.netdna-ssl.com/495-1637-large_zoom/brony.jpg[/t] He's probably a swell guy to talk to. Would you? Or does his t-shirt put you off?[/QUOTE] [thumb]https://31.media.tumblr.com/8d05d57852757f1ac5b9e439845632f9/tumblr_inline_mzfftlesO31qjc29h.jpg[/thumb] [URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1384667&p=45507599&viewfull=1#post45507599[/URL] This guy goes to my school and I talked to him all the time. Being a brony meant he was into other nerdy shit as well. Turns out he's also a pretty good artist, and a totally normal person otherwise.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304920]And Jaguar also mentioned that he's fine with people who don't have that many body mods aswell.[/QUOTE] You mean where he says he likes the human body being pure and that adding permanent marks like piercings and tattoos goes against that but then he says he's fine with small ones which means he's contradicting himself regardless of their size? Nice job taking the attention of your flawed argument to somebody else's argument.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46304875]Not approaching someone for wearing a v-neck is one thing. It's like hating someone because of some super specific reason of yours. Lots of people don't like tattoos or piercings. It's not an abnormal thing. In a working environment, depending on wherever you work, it would be the same as greeting the queen of Englad in beach shorts and flip flops.[/QUOTE] so you're saying because it's more common to not approach someone based off a different prejudice, that makes it different does the fact that some people respond negatively to tattoos in a work environment not strike you as wrong? it should, and it's an example that only reiterates that it is prejudice and not preference those people are experiencing.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46303258]Piercings and tattoos are stupid choices?[/QUOTE] They're choices. Whether or not someone considers them stupid, it doesn't matter. It's personal and as anything else that is personal, it shouldn't be taken into account when hiring or firing someone. I think tattoos and piercings can be stupid sometimes, mostly when people don't think about what they're doing and its significance. I also think pink cars are stupid. It's a perfectly acceptable opinion.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;46303558]Never understood why people have an issue hiring people with tattoos, piercings are different as they could be a health and safety issue in some jobs, but unless you have something like "FUCK COPS" tattooed on your face in place of eyebrows- then it doesn't affect your ability to do your job at all- who gives a shit?. I hear people saying "oh well it might upset certain customers who don't like tattoos"- and again, who gives a shit? im pretty sure there are people knocking about who would be upset if you hired people of different ethnic groups to them, or hired homosexuals or even hired people of different faiths/lack of religion- and we don't hire based on their judgemental views.[/QUOTE] They go contrary to perceived professionalism in a lot of professions. Particularly large and visible ones.
I don't get why people are making such a huge fuss about people with different interests avoiding each other like the plague, this isnt high-school, you don't have to sit at the nerd/goth/sports table lol. I made quite a few new friends through my girlfriend when we got together last year, most of them are really into spiritual stuff and have a huge interest in the paranormal- ghosts, crystals, ~energy~, that sort of thing. i personally think its all a load of nonsense, but that doesn't mean im going to discount them as potential friends and do my upmost to avoid any kind of interaction with them becuase "We all know what kind of person thinks ghosts are real!", because that's really judgemental, really dumb and a horrible way to go through life.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46304983]You mean where he says he likes the human body being pure and that adding permanent marks like piercings and tattoos goes against that but then he says he's fine with small ones which means he's contradicting himself regardless of their size? Nice job taking the attention of your flawed argument to somebody else's argument.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's that big of a deal personally, like yeah he has a retarded opinion on your body being pure and judges people on their tattoos but I'm judging him also from his opinions and just like he wouldn't want to hang around me, I wouldn't want to hang out with him....not a big loss lmfao Like no ones opinion on tattoos are going to change because of him hes just going to give people a better time as he won't go near them so it just hurts him in the long run. [QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;46305029] It's personal and as anything else that is personal, it shouldn't be taken into account when hiring or firing someone.[/QUOTE] I have tattoos but obviously it should as businesses want to have a certain image and that could go against that. Like if I walk into H&M people work with full on sleeves showing because they know their customers and it fits but if I go into anywhere that sells suits then the workers are going to look as clean and sharp as possible and even if they have anything it would be hidden.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;46305089]I have tattoos but obviously it should as businesses want to have a certain image and that could go against that. Like if I walk into H&M people work with full on sleeves showing because they know their customers and it fits but if I go into anywhere that sells suits then the workers are going to look as clean and sharp as possible and even if they have anything it would be hidden.[/QUOTE] as long as you're not like [url=http://www.ripleys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/vampire_woman_screen_end_img.png]this[/url] and you can hide it, it shouldn't be taken into account. But i bet, even though you can hide it, some employers will still judge you for it.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;46305132]as long as you're not like [url=http://www.ripleys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/vampire_woman_screen_end_img.png]this[/url] and you can hide it, it shouldn't be taken into account. But i bet, even though you can hide it, some employers will still judge you for it.[/QUOTE] Yeah as long as you can hide them your good, I go into all my interviews covering my tattoos (unless I know its a place that would be cool with them) and I clarify after once I've gotten the job. Yeah some will judge you but won't care as long as you can cover it because they hired you in the first place cause they liked you, they aren't going to go through the hassle of finding another person just because you have a tattoo that's easily hide able lol Reminds me of my friend getting interviewed at mcdonalds once and the manager went off topic and just kept asking about his tattoo (easily hideable around the shoulder) asking "why you would do that to yourself" bla bla bla like some peoples morals cloud their better judgement but that's rare
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46304983]You mean where he says he likes the human body being pure and that adding permanent marks like piercings and tattoos goes against that but then he says he's fine with small ones which means he's contradicting himself regardless of their size? Nice job taking the attention of your flawed argument to somebody else's argument.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he's not bothered by a piercing here or there but is if theres more than 1 or 2 and tattoos?... How is that contradicting himself? A huge tattoo on your neck or somewhere else is different from a small tattoo on your ankle. What's there to understand lol [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;46305009]so you're saying because it's more common to not approach someone based off a different prejudice, that makes it different does the fact that some people respond negatively to tattoos in a work environment not strike you as wrong? it should, and it's an example that only reiterates that it is prejudice and not preference those people are experiencing.[/QUOTE] Welcome to 2014, prejudice exists, what else do you not know about the present days? I just don't like them because it makes me imagine the whole process, and that alone gives me shivers down my bones. it depends on what it is anyway. Soem people don't like them for whatever different reasons.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46305263]Or maybe he's not bothered by a piercing here or there but is if theres more than 1 or 2 and tattoos?... How is that contradicting himself? A huge tattoo on your neck or somewhere else is different from a small tattoo on your ankle. What's there to understand lol[/QUOTE] When someone says bodymods is against their principles and then say it's okay to have them is contradicting. What's there to understand lol also, you're still avoiding your argument, why did you even mention Jaguar at first when we were talking about your "hole in the face" thing, nice bullshit there
I hope, eventually, discrimination laws prevent this sort of thing. Our generation is much more open to tattoos and body mods anyway, it's just a waiting game until the previous generation either relaxes their point of view about body mods or withers away. [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] ( ignore flagdog, usa all da way here ) sidenote : several of my Doctors have had full sleeves / hand tattoos. Since i'm also sporting quite a lot of ink, it makes me feel more comfortable / like I relate to them and I can open up easier. Probably different for other people though.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46305291]When someone says bodymods is against their principles and then say it's okay to have them is contradicting. What's there to understand lol also, you're still avoiding your argument, why did you even mention Jaguar at first when we were talking about your "hole in the face" thing, nice bullshit there[/QUOTE] having 1 bodymod =/= having half a body of tattoos and a "metal face" what bullshit lol stop being paranoid, its like everyone who starts off as a normal person reaches SH and starts becoming a creep stalking people demanding answers, chill down ffs isn't it obvious? I've said it a few times already, I don't care if its one or two piercings or tattoos, but if its some tacky shit or a shitload of piercings on someone's face, I don't like it. And the whole argument is dumb. Why would I need to have a conversation with someone wearing piercings in the first place?
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46305485]having 1 bodymod =/= having half a body of tattoos and a "metal face"[/QUOTE] Still contradicting no matter how many there are when he mentions purity and that the addition of one is against it. Still avoiding too. [editline]22nd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46305485]what bullshit lol stop being paranoid, its like everyone who starts off as a normal person reaches SH and starts becoming a creep stalking people demanding answers, chill down ffs[/QUOTE] uuh ok? you're here too??
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