Teacher is hired, then immediately fired from school due to visible tattoos
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46307079]I'm more surprised people still don't understand that tattoos and piercings don't matter as much as they seem to think they do.[/QUOTE]
The same reason it's frowned upon to show up at an interview in sweat pants and a tank top I guess.
I'm not saying it's right, but people should know better by now.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46307159]The same reason it's frowned upon to show up at an interview in sweat pants and a tank top I guess.
I'm not saying it's right, but people should know better by now.[/QUOTE]
What if she got it before she thought of becoming a teacher, tattoo removal isnt cheap(and very painful)
She showed up at a Catholic school all tatted up...what exactly did she think was going to happen?
A business has the right to set a dress code and regulate your appearance at work, so as far as I'm concerned they have the right to deny employment to people who can't meet that code. It's not like anyone held a gun to her head and made her get those tattoos.
I mean what the fuck happened between her applying and her showing up to the first day that no one noticed her tattoos
Dress codes are understandable but it's not really her fault if everyone is saying "yeah sure fuckin go ahead" and then they're like "wait nah those tattoos? gotta go" at the very end
It's kind of a given that tattoo taboo is pretty fucking nonsensical nowadays. I mean there are doctors, lawyers, and public school teachers that have them and i don't really think it affects the way students learn
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46307153]So someone was fired for not looking professional, I fail to see the problem in a skill based job such as this. Most employers won't finish the interview if you have a visible tattoo, and generally this stuff is covered in the rules and documents you sign on to get hired about the rules they have regarding stuff like this.
Seriously, this isn't a hard thing to realize that most professions that are customer facing want you to look professional.[/QUOTE]
What about a tattoo is unprofessional? It's ink on your skin, and 90% of tattoos can be covered up by almost any and all clothing. It's not unclean, so why it would be considered trashy is beyond me. Tattoos have been around for quite some time. If you ask me, most people who have tattoos end up being some of the nicest and most level-headed people you could meet. That's just me, but it's ridiculous to say a tattoo is unprofessional.
Of course the story changes if a tattoo is profane in any form, or if the tattoo in question is itself trashy. But that's incredibly subjective and circumstantial and in most cases, the problem with those people probably lies beyond the tattoo. Regardless, it's foolish to make such a grand, sweeping statement.
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=bunguer;46307026]e.g. having a really fat and unkempt guy can give the impression of someone who doesn't care about image and therefor wouldn't be good for a public relations job, but it wouldn't be as important for an office job.[/QUOTE]
totally comparable 10/10
[QUOTE=Lu-Cuss;46307045]Apparently they do. That's why people are getting fired over it.[/QUOTE]
no
they dont care about your self expression
they DO care about the shitty drawings on your skin
a practice once reserved for the absolute lowest of the low in society
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308067]no
they dont care about your self expression
they DO care about the shitty drawings on your skin
a practice once reserved for the absolute lowest of the low in society[/QUOTE]
lobster was once considered a poor man's food
[QUOTE=KingKombat;46307681]I mean what the fuck happened between her applying and her showing up to the first day that no one noticed her tattoos
Dress codes are understandable but it's not really her fault if everyone is saying "yeah sure fuckin go ahead" and then they're like "wait nah those tattoos? gotta go" at the very end[/QUOTE]
Reading the article they knew she had tattoos and just told her to cover them up but she didn't want to and yeah I understand being annoyed that you have to cover them in the first place they are just becoming more so accepted now so she should of just covered them and sucked it up atm.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308067]no
they dont care about your self expression
they DO care about the shitty drawings on your skin
a practice once reserved for the absolute lowest of the low in society[/QUOTE]
Except it doesn't have that meaning today in modern society, today its just "tattoos are strange and weird and conflict with my morals"
Also chill a lot of people pay thousands of dollars for some amazing work don't generalize.
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;46308141]Reading the article they knew she had tattoos and just told her to cover them up but she didn't want to and yeah I understand being annoyed that you have to cover them in the first place they are just becoming more so accepted now so she should of just covered them and sucked it up atm.[/QUOTE]
This I can understand, if this is the case then the school's actions are justifiable (although that neck tattoo would've been tricky?)
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;46308141]
Except it doesn't have that meaning today in modern society, today its just "tattoos are strange and weird and conflict with my morals"
Also chill a lot of people pay thousands of dollars for some amazing work don't generalize.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KingKombat;46308083]lobster was once considered a poor man's food[/QUOTE]
i dont know why you're trying to convince me, im not your employer
but good luck trying to reason with them that way
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308067]no
they dont care about your self expression
they DO care about the shitty drawings on your skin
a practice once reserved for the absolute lowest of the low in society[/QUOTE]
there have been multiple presidents with tattoos you fucking dink
The only body modifications you should get are ones that enhance a capability in some way, like laser eyes.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;46308629]there have been multiple presidents with tattoos you fucking dink[/QUOTE]
yeah and we've had multiple presidents who were drunk duelists and slave owners
the only difference is that they went out of their way to conceal tattoos, not those other things
tattoos
worse than slavery
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308269]i dont know why you're trying to convince me, im not your employer
but good luck trying to reason with them that way[/QUOTE]
I've had 2 jobs now where tattoos were overlooked. It's not really about convincing you, the fact is that you're basically insulting that whole culture and using the same argument every baby boomer and mom and dad uses in terms of "well how are you gonna get a job ya dumb kid ahahah"
meanwhile there are literally hundreds of people with jobs and tattoos so your whole point is moot
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308743]yeah and we've had multiple presidents who were drunk duelists and slave owners
the only difference is that they went out of their way to conceal tattoos, not those other things
tattoos
worse than slavery[/QUOTE]
what the
are you really serious
Look. It's a commonly held societal norm that tattoos are taboo in the workplace. You do not see heads of business with guaged ears, mowhawks, subdermal implants, septum piercings or tattoos. Or really any kind of visible body modification.
It's not a question of whether these things are right or wrong, or pleasant to look at or not. It's none of that. It's giving people what they expect. In this culture, people expect educators and people in positions of power to be modification-free, and they expect the people who put people in charge of their children to make sure that the person in charge conforms to their ideals.
So, if you decide to get body modifications, regardless of your own personal ideas on the matter, or whether or not it is reasonable of society to act the way it does, you need to expect this sort of cultural pushback. Accept it and wait for society to change or else don't get visible modifications done. It's as simple as that.
[QUOTE=valkery;46308818]Look. It's a commonly held societal norm that tattoos are taboo in the workplace. You do not see heads of business with guaged ears, mowhawks, subdermal implants, septum piercings or tattoos. Or really any kind of visible body modification.[/QUOTE]
That's because you don't see many heads of business younger than 30. I can't see your statement being all that valid anymore in 20-30 years.
Appeals to tradition don't count as arguments either.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46308835]That's because you don't see many heads of business younger than 30. I can't see your statement being all that valid anymore in 20-30 years.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a damn what the future holds for this sort of thing. We aren't there yet, and until we are, you either conform or accept that some career fields will be closed to you because of your decisions.
At the same time, I agree with you and wait for the day when our President has gauges and face tats and a husband.
My work has some tattoo restrictions, gotta wrap them up while on the floor. It's a pretty bad look when the person serving you have these thick bandages on both wrists :v:
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46306648]no one who can employ you gives a shit about your stupid self expression[/QUOTE]
Seeing as I'm employed with facial piercings visible all day long you're right they don't care
Nor should they
[editline]22nd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=valkery;46308818]Look. It's a commonly held societal norm that tattoos are taboo in the workplace. You do not see heads of business with guaged ears, mowhawks, subdermal implants, septum piercings or tattoos. Or really any kind of visible body modification.
It's not a question of whether these things are right or wrong, or pleasant to look at or not. It's none of that. It's giving people what they expect. In this culture, people expect educators and people in positions of power to be modification-free, and they expect the people who put people in charge of their children to make sure that the person in charge conforms to their ideals.
So, if you decide to get body modifications, regardless of your own personal ideas on the matter, or whether or not it is reasonable of society to act the way it does, you need to expect this sort of cultural pushback. Accept it and wait for society to change or else don't get visible modifications done. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Society doesn't change if people don't push the lines
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308743]yeah and we've had multiple presidents who were drunk duelists and slave owners
the only difference is that they went out of their way to conceal tattoos, not those other things
tattoos
worse than slavery[/QUOTE]
And thus, we venture into "Wait, was he trolling the entire time?" territory
My ultimately unimportant input: I was unaware that I've devolved from a successful university student into a degenerate whose choices are worse than slavery, but you learn something new everyday
[quote]So, if you decide to get body modifications, regardless of your own personal ideas on the matter, or whether or not it is reasonable of society to act the way it does, you need to expect this sort of cultural pushback. Accept it and wait for society to change or else don't get visible modifications done. It's as simple as that.[/quote]
Forgive me if I'm taking this argument too far, but how is this any different than people saying, "It's not wrong to be gay, but society doesn't like it when you come out, so stay in the closet"? Sure, tattoos aren't nearly as big of a social issue, but the base argument remains the same. Why should people be held at fault based on ultimately pointless prejudices? The existence of cultural pushback doesn't justify anything.
[QUOTE=timmah638;46309028]And thus, we venture into "Wait, was he trolling the entire time?" territory
My ultimately unimportant input: I was unaware that I've devolved from a successful university student into a degenerate whose choices are worse than slavery, but you learn something new everyday
Forgive me if I'm taking this argument too far, but how is this any different than people saying, "It's not wrong to be gay, but society doesn't like it when you come out, so stay in the closet"? Sure, tattoos aren't nearly as big of a social issue, but the base argument remains the same. Why should people be held at fault based on ultimately pointless prejudices? The existence of cultural pushback doesn't justify anything.[/QUOTE]
That's an awful example since gay people don't choose to be gay while in tattoos it's up to you.
There's nothing inherently wrong with tattoos, but there are plenty of good reasons why you should conceal them in many business settings. The same goes for crazy hairstyles, colors and other stuff like that.
[QUOTE=bunguer;46309574]That's an awful example since gay people don't choose to be gay while in tattoos it's up to you.
There's nothing inherently wrong with tattoos, but there are plenty of good reasons why you should conceal them in many business settings. The same goes for crazy hairstyles, colors and other stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
A better example would be religion, your faith is just as much a personal choice as getting a tattoo, and in some cases that choice can be just as frowned upon by society, depending on where you live- should you force Sikhs and Muslims to take off religious head-wear/symbols at work because some twats might think you employ "TEEEEEERRORISTS"?, or are there already laws in place to prevent that kind of shit?
I don't get how tattoos are such a big deal. I always thought the basic guideline was "As long as something doesn't hurt anyone or is actually offensive towards someone, it is acceptable". Live and let live is one bloody simple rule, but so many people can't manage to follow it. It is especially fatal in this school case. What does it teach those kids? "People with tattoos don't deserve a job"? Forcingly mainstreaming values and styles, to get a better public reputation, does not contribute to a healthy and tolerating society.
On a slightly related note, I remember a teacher's assistant when I was in kindergarten had a tramp stamp that she actually put a hole in the back of her shirt so that people could see. Whenever I asked what it was she denied that it even existed.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46307159]The same reason it's frowned upon to show up at an interview in sweat pants and a tank top I guess.
I'm not saying it's right, but people should know better by now.[/QUOTE]
I didn't have dress clothes in high school, so when I did a mock interview they gave me a button up shirt. I wore it tucked into sweat pants and got an A :v:
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304006]The kind of people who generally get tattoos and piercings are generally the kind of people I don't like or would like to be around. The lady in the OP falls into it. I know it's generalizing and you'll try to show counter examples, but body mods have never sat well with me. I just don't like the idea of piercing your skin or putting ink in it.[/QUOTE]
You're aware that you're generalising. Yes, a lot of rough people tend to have tattoos. No, it doesn't mean that they're stupid to get. There is no connection. It's fucking stupid that this woman got fired for this, in my opinion.
Hey, this is my town.
Finally, people know we exist. Maybe not for the best of reasons, but still.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46308067]no
they dont care about your self expression
they DO care about the shitty drawings on your skin
a practice once reserved for the absolute lowest of the low in society[/QUOTE]
Oh look at mr. superiority complex douchebag over here telling people with ink on them are scum. Stop being an asswipe, tattoos don't determine how well you do at your job.
[QUOTE=buro;46304244]What do piercings and tattoos of hearts and diamonds express? (Genuinely curious not rhetorical question)[/QUOTE]
Doesn't really matter. It's your body and it's your life, no one's telling you how to live it.
Personally, the more enthusiastic someone's about something, like tattoos, the more respect I will have for the person. Even if the entire body and face are tattooed. At least they don't give a shit about what others think about them. They like their tattoos, simple as that. I can respect that.
As for the meanings and expressions of playing card suits? (Clubs, Spades, etc?) It's pretty trivial stuff, but you can read more on your own if you're interested. :v: They're even associated with Earth, Water, Fire and Air, for example.
[editline]23rd October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304325]I like the human body being pure. There's nothing more to that. Adding permanent marks likes tattoos and piercings goes against that.
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I'm fine with small ones. It's when you put enough to cover a part of your body is where the line is drawn.[/QUOTE]
Ah, so you're fine with cute little things like dolphins imprinted on your leg, but not when someone's serious about tattoos? Grow the hell up.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304325]I like the human body being pure. There's nothing more to that. Adding permanent marks likes tattoos and piercings goes against that.
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I'm fine with small ones. It's when you put enough to cover a part of your body is where the line is drawn.[/QUOTE]
Talk about being a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46304325]I like the human body being pure. There's nothing more to that. Adding permanent marks likes tattoos and piercings goes against that.
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I'm fine with small ones. It's when you put enough to cover a part of your body is where the line is drawn.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't any amount of ink cover a portion of your body though?
Honestly, I'm not okay with people wearing clothing that is enough to cover part of their body because in my culture clothing is only for people who want to express themselves and I am against self expression. It also makes the body less pure, because purity is important to me. I only have sex with virgins, because I'm so into purity.
Seriously though, I know I was a bit rough on people with tattoos in an earlier post, and I still stand by the sentiment that if you have visible body modifications you should expect some level of societal backlash, but saying that you are against tattoos on a "purity" basis is fucking stupid. And then to directly contradict your earlier statement by saying that "small ones are okay" is both hypocritical and incredibly moronic.
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