• Teacher is hired, then immediately fired from school due to visible tattoos
    287 replies, posted
If I was hiring employees to had to deal with a wide variety of customers who come from different social and religious backgrounds, I sure as hell would rather my employees not have excessive visible tattoos or piercings. Regardless of how the individual who has them feels about them, or the reasons behind their choices to get them. The people who are patronizing your business might not understand, and while some businesses can say a big "fuck off if you don't agree, take your business elsewhere" there are some fields of business that you have to be more concerned with keeping the client happy. In my opinion, it's hard enough finding a position, I wouldn't want to make that even harder by getting a neck tattoo.
She's adorable.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;46313833]If I was hiring employees to had to deal with a wide variety of customers who come from different social and religious backgrounds, I sure as hell would rather my employees not have excessive visible tattoos or piercings. Regardless of how the individual who has them feels about them, or the reasons behind their choices to get them. The people who are patronizing your business might not understand, and while some businesses can say a big "fuck off if you don't agree, take your business elsewhere" there are some fields of business that you have to be more concerned with keeping the client happy. In my opinion, it's hard enough finding a position, I wouldn't want to make that even harder by getting a neck tattoo.[/QUOTE] I think it's clear in this thread who has had some experience in handling a business and I think most people that worked in an office setting or had to deal with clients will agree with you. To add, just because you're comfortable getting tattoos all over your face and body and, to quote someone before, "don't give a shit about what others think about them" also implies you don't give a shit if people are reluctant to hire you, so don't act that surprised or offended when it is common knowledge that visible tattoos may cause some trouble in the hiring process.
Discrimination for normal tattoos (ie: no swastikas on your face) is such an arbitrary punishment, it's one of those things that you actually need to willfully exert effort to be offended about because logically there's really no reason to care. "There's an ink design on your skin, you shouldn't have done that I think I should fire you I guess, I don't know they offend me/people or something like that ugh"
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;46313686]Talk about being a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=valkery;46313807]And then to directly contradict your earlier statement by saying that "small ones are okay" is both hypocritical and incredibly moronic.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46306020]I don't like body mods, but it's not my right to stop others from getting them. It's not a black-and-white thing where if someone has one tiny piercing or tattoo, I suddenly disassociate them from my life. [b]I can tolerate small ones here and there[/b], but if they cover an entire limb, that's when I really start questioning their judgement.[/QUOTE] Now you're just grilling on me for having an unpopular opinion. I may not like something, but I can [I]tolerate[/I] it to an extent. After all, I can't tell others what to do with their body.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46314053]Now you're just grilling on me for having an unpopular opinion. I may not like something, but I can [I]tolerate[/I] it to an extent. After all, I can't tell others what to do with their body.[/QUOTE] I'd give you a shovel but...
Tbh if I was a kid and this was my teacher, I wouldn't take her seriously and wouldn't really pay attention.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46314053]Now you're just grilling on me for having an unpopular opinion. I may not like something, but I can [I]tolerate[/I] it to an extent. After all, I can't tell others what to do with their body.[/QUOTE] well, I don't care about your views, but I do want to point out the hypocrisy of "The body must be pure" and "Except for small meaningless ones" as a contradiction of intentions. I'm not judging you on that, just saying you are technically being a hypocrite. [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=KinderBueno;46315358]Tbh if I was a kid and this was my teacher, I wouldn't take her seriously and wouldn't really pay attention.[/QUOTE] the best teachers I've ever had were the oddball types who did things their own ways. I've never had a buttoned down regular teacher who made an impact on my life or my learning. if you seriously would dismiss a person based on such personal choices, I think you're making a big mistake.
[QUOTE=KinderBueno;46315358]Tbh if I was a kid and this was my teacher, I wouldn't take her seriously and wouldn't really pay attention.[/QUOTE] Seriously? How does having a damn tattoo make good or bad? It has no bearing on a persons character and how well they do at their profession.
[QUOTE=KinderBueno;46315358]Tbh if I was a kid and this was my teacher, I wouldn't take her seriously and wouldn't really pay attention.[/QUOTE] "ugh she has a tattoo pfft like I'll pay attention" you probably wouldn't pay attention to her tattoos or not
[QUOTE=valkery;46308844]I don't give a damn what the future holds for this sort of thing. We aren't there yet, and until we are, you either conform or accept that some career fields will be closed to you because of your decisions.[/QUOTE] People shouldn't have to put up with discrimination just because that form of discrimination is socially acceptable.
It's 2014 and people still get upset by someone having a tattoo? Nice.
she looks like a gangster
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46306042]Implying that having a large sleeve as an example is a worthy point of judgement? I don't understand. Judgement of what. Why does it matter if a person chooses to get a lot of tattoo work done? Does it harm you in any way shape or form?[/QUOTE] Tatoos to an extent are a fashion statement and certain things are associated with them. Generally the bigger the tat, the more strongly thus this perception come off. There isn't a huge difference between certain clothing selections, hairstyles and or having larger tats. People just associate certain things with these choices you make. Claiming it doesn't matter is moot, because it does matter to quite lot of people. Tats just go contrary to certain professionalism, the same way as certain fashion choices do. Likewise in the eyes of many people they reflect choices which you may have done. While this is fairly subjective and many people don't really mind a well done large scale tat, a business generally tries to be more objective.
If she is qualified for the job why the fuck does it matter? I can't believe people with body mods still face discrimination, when I'm walking around in my city at least half the people I see have them.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;46317228]People shouldn't have to put up with discrimination just because that form of discrimination is socially acceptable.[/QUOTE] Idealism does not change reality. Just because she shouldn't have to doesn't mean that she won't have to. Besides, she could coat her body in tattoos, put them anywhere she wanted to, except her hands, neck and face, and this never would have been an issue. She could have worn clothing to cover up the tattoos and been perfectly acceptable in any society. But she didn't, so she isn't. It isn't like she wasn't aware of the dress codes going in either. I have a guy on my floor who has tattoos and wants to be an educator, but he has them placed so that he can wear a shirt that covers them. For the sake of argument, let's say that I want to be an educator, and I have numerous face tattoos and gauged ears and I want to teach elementary school. The other candidates are regular schmucks with the same qualifications as me, but without tattoos. As sad as you may think it is, I don't get that job 999/1000 times. It's as simple as that. That 1/1000? A super liberal school that has let the parents know about their hiring practices and has strong support from the community on the issue. Yes, it sucks that this is how the world operates, but you can't just argue "well, it really shouldn't be this way" and then expect an entire society to go "oh shit, yeah, you're right" in one day.
Why? I mean, it's not like she had a tattoo of a triceratops having an orgy with the supreme court or anything.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;46318273]Tatoos to an extent are a fashion statement and certain things are associated with them. Generally the bigger the tat, the more strongly thus this perception come off. There isn't a huge difference between certain clothing selections, hairstyles and or having larger tats. People just associate certain things with these choices you make. Claiming it doesn't matter is moot, because it does matter to quite lot of people. Tats just go contrary to certain professionalism, the same way as certain fashion choices do. Likewise in the eyes of many people they reflect choices which you may have done. While this is fairly subjective and many people don't really mind a well done large scale tat, a business generally tries to be more objective.[/QUOTE] My gripe with this is that it all stems from the ideal that people with tattoo's are somewhat of a lower class, or less professional simply because they HAVE a Tattoo. Companies realise that people stupidly think like that and thus enforce these stupid ass rules of covering up tattoo's or taking out piercings. It LITERALLY stems from the ideal that Tattoo's and Piercings and some kinds equate to a person being of a less than ideal stance of upbrining or some other stupid ass shit. It's disgusting. Thinking about it. It isn't very professional of a company to cut out a large portion of a populace from work simply because of some stupid, misguided and uninformed ideals that a majority of people hold. But it still continues because it's "The norm" and most people are too ass backwards to look past their entirely one sided uninformed opinions and refuse to see that a LOT of nice, loving, hard working and kind people have Tattoo's. Also yes they do reflect choices. EG. The choice of getting a tattoo simply because YOU WANT A FUCKING TATTOO or it holds deep meaning. It honestly pisses me off that large corporations still think like this. Because people whom are their userbase think like this. It needs to stop.
I honestly wish that all the people who said "they don't give a shit about your stupid self-expression" were actually right. Cause if it were true, this thread wouldn't exist to begin with.
People can say there's no correlation between visible tattoos and personal character, but it's just plain BS. Sure, a single small tattoo on your ankle doesn't mean much, but when you look like the person in the OP there's good reason to believe that they are a higher risk than someone without those tattoos/piercings. "We tested this proposition by surveying 1753 American college students, asking them to report their level of body art acquisition and their history of deviance. Results indicate that respondents with four or more tattoos, seven or more body piercings, or piercings located in their nipples or genitals, were substantively and significantly more likely to report regular marijuana use, occasional use of other illegal drugs, and a history of being arrested for a crime. Less pronounced, but still significant in many cases, was an increased propensity for those with higher incidence of body art to cheat on college work, binge drink, and report having had multiple sex partners in the course of their lifetime." - [url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036233190900127X[/url]
[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;46320616]My gripe with this is that it all stems from the ideal that people with tattoo's are somewhat of a lower class, or less professional simply because they HAVE a Tattoo. Companies realise that people stupidly think like that and thus enforce these stupid ass rules of covering up tattoo's or taking out piercings. It LITERALLY stems from the ideal that Tattoo's and Piercings and some kinds equate to a person being of a less than ideal stance of upbrining or some other stupid ass shit. It's disgusting. Thinking about it. It isn't very professional of a company to cut out a large portion of a populace from work simply because of some stupid, misguided and uninformed ideals that a majority of people hold. But it still continues because it's "The norm" and most people are too ass backwards to look past their entirely one sided uninformed opinions and refuse to see that a LOT of nice, loving, hard working and kind people have Tattoo's. Also yes they do reflect choices. EG. The choice of getting a tattoo simply because YOU WANT A FUCKING TATTOO or it holds deep meaning. It honestly pisses me off that large corporations still think like this. Because people whom are their userbase think like this. It needs to stop.[/QUOTE] The thing you need to realise - people who are getting tats are fully aware of what others thing of tats and still get them. This isn't discriminatory. You have a full choice in getting one or not as well as the type. As such, once you do this, completely willing choice, you can't really expect people to not care one way or another. Imagine, to dig the fashion choice again, someone who goes to an interview for a legal position. But he won't wear professional clothes, but something very casual or even worse - something punky. That person is making a conscious choice of how he or she approaches this interview. Getting a tat and wearing it visible is also a conscious choice.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46325793]People can say there's no correlation between visible tattoos and personal character, but it's just plain BS. Sure, a single small tattoo on your ankle doesn't mean much, but when you look like the person in the OP there's good reason to believe that they are a higher risk than someone without those tattoos/piercings. "We tested this proposition by surveying 1753 American college students, asking them to report their level of body art acquisition and their history of deviance. Results indicate that respondents with four or more tattoos, seven or more body piercings, or piercings located in their nipples or genitals, were substantively and significantly more likely to report regular marijuana use, occasional use of other illegal drugs, and a history of being arrested for a crime. Less pronounced, but still significant in many cases, was an increased propensity for those with higher incidence of body art to cheat on college work, binge drink, and report having had multiple sex partners in the course of their lifetime." - [url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036233190900127X[/url][/QUOTE] so the results were the more body art the less boring theyre likely to be nice
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;46332642]so the results were the more body art the less boring theyre likely to be nice[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call a lack of drug use and criminal behavior "boring," but hey, when you own your own business be my guest and hire all the "fun" people you want.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46332717]I wouldn't call a lack of drug use and criminal behavior "boring," but hey, when you own your own business be my guest and hire all the "fun" people you want.[/QUOTE] my plan is to list a hundred drugs on a sheet of paper with tick boxes next to each one, and the closer you can get to 100 the better your chances at getting hired
[QUOTE=sgman91;46332717]I wouldn't call a lack of drug use and criminal behavior "boring," but hey, when you own your own business be my guest and hire all the "fun" people you want.[/QUOTE] Multiple sexual partners is a negative? Any use of drugs makes you mentally deficient and lesser? Drinking is the same I assume? Well you need a new world i guess, or Saudi Arabia is your true home
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46332748]Multiple sexual partners is a negative? Any use of drugs makes you mentally deficient and lesser? Drinking is the same I assume? Well you need a new world i guess, or Saudi Arabia is your true home[/QUOTE] Literally nothing to do with what I said.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46332931]Literally nothing to do with what I said.[/QUOTE] According to your quote there, multiple sexual partners and tattoos and marijuana and drinking are linked, so yes, it is to do with what you said. Do people with tattoos who engage in sexual activity at their own discretion, smoke marijuana in an area its legal in, and drink to their own discretion categorically show themselves to be less capable than people who don't do those things or is that perhaps best judged case by case
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46332957]According to your quote there, multiple sexual partners and tattoos and marijuana and drinking are linked, so yes, it is to do with what you said. Do people with tattoos who engage in sexual activity at their own discretion, smoke marijuana in an area its legal in, and drink to their own discretion categorically show themselves to be less capable than people who don't do those things or is that perhaps best judged case by case[/QUOTE] Why are you focusing on certain things? It's an entire list that includes criminal behavior. That alone would be enough. Ignore the rest if need be. [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] With that said, having sex with a lot of people (9 in one year is the number given in the study) is generally looked at as a sign of instability and a lack of self-control once you get out of college and into world of responsibility that extends beyond yourself. Ditto for drugs.
The criminal behaviour is the only thing that matters. Drug use? As in drinking alcohol, a rampant form of drug use that literally millions of people functionally imbibe? But marijuana is vastly different in that sense? Also asking college students how promiscuous they are at college is probably a less than fair time to be asking them that as many people experiment in college. I'm just not sure I think your study is bias less.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46332991]I'm just not sure I think your study is bias less.[/QUOTE] Of course not, it doesn't agree with your position. You haven't given a single real reason to doubt it. Everyone in the study was in college. So that variable would be a constant throughout the sample. [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] If you want to try and provide stronger proof in favor of your argument, then be my guest.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.