Brexit: Legal steps seek to ensure Commons vote on Article 50 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;50644170]it'll really come down to whether MP's are going to vote for what the public (the small 4% lead apparently discounts the entire 48% of people who voted otherwise) want, or what's best for the public or to put it in a better scenario; you go to the doctor complaining about stomach pain. he proscribes you some antibiotics, but then a man with a large following and no medical experience tells you to drink bleach instead. "well" you say "he has a large following, he must be right!" the doctor urges you to listen to reason, but mr. popular tells you that experts are evil and only care about money, so you believe mr. popular, and drink the bleach. when you start shitting blood everywhere, mr. popular is nowhere to be seen. does the doctor a) help you even though you told him moments earlier to get lost or b) let you continue to shit your organs out[/QUOTE] Mr popular's supports tell you to "calm down and try to carry on" "get over it" "don't be a bad loser" "try to make the best of it" "see what happens" "accept democracy won" "shut up and stop whinging"

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50643420]Which one would people take, yet another government plan that will probably get dropped by the next government or bring more austerity because "it has to get worse before it can get better" approach as they have another attempt at cutting the deficit which in all aspects is nothing getting done or leaving the EU. .[/QUOTE] What? I don't see how leaving the EU is the alternative to austerity? Domestic policy is not tied to the EU. If politicians saw this as a call to actually give a shit about those in need and set out a plan to actually help/address immigration then I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't be as eager to leave the EU and fuck everything up. Edit : And i don't see what calling people dumb achieves? A lot of people were born into poverty and haven't been able to escape. Why not help them instead of blaming them?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644180]Please focus on all of that while avoiding the fact that you have been generalizing 52% of voters who voted leave as retarded.[/QUOTE] No no I stand by that. My reasons I've posted before. I think they are naive, mislead, ignorant, overly optimistic, xenophobic, short sighted or a combination of the previous Anyone who voted to leave because of the NHS is stupid anyone who voted to leave because of immigration is dim because it will clearly carry on anyone who voted to leave because of unelected officials doesn't know their own government or the EU government anyone who voted because of the money doesn't know the figures or took it for granted anyway anyone who voted in protest is shortsighted and immature anyone who voted because they don't like cameron clearly did look at the competition anyone who voted because of "project fear" clearly didn't see Farages "sex attack!" and "syrians!" stuff anyone who voted against the establishment didn't know what they were voting for honestly, and I don't mind being banned for this, I stand by my posts and opinion that anyone who voted leave did so for the wrong reasons and it was the objectively stupid thing to do. Call me a bigot or whatever but you are wrong if you think leave is legitimately better. People were mislead and didn't know what they were voting for. The leave campaign had no plans to win and had no idea what to do if they did win. Please go ahead and make your case, I will read your post carefully and see if there are any arguments which haven't been previously presented. Heres a link to my previous post listing some of the reasons why leave was a bad idea. There are more reasons which have been covered by me and others. This will help you cut down your list of potential arguments. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525492&p=50643600&viewfull=1#post50643600[/url] Also you said 52% of voters who voted leave. Is that 52% of leave voters or 52% of voters? Coz I meant 100% of leave voters.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644216]No no I stand by that. My reasons I've posted before. I think they are naive, mislead, ignorant, overly optimistic, xenophobic, short sighted or a combination of the previous Anyone who voted to leave because of the NHS is stupid anyone who voted to leave because of immigration is dim because it will clearly carry on anyone who voted to leave because of unelected officials doesn't know their own government or the EU government anyone who voted because of the money doesn't know the figures or took it for granted anyway anyone who voted in protest is shortsighted and immature anyone who voted because they don't like cameron clearly did look at the competition anyone who voted because of "project fear" clearly didn't see Farages "sex attack!" and "syrians!" stuff anyone who voted against the establishment didn't know what they were voting for honestly, and I don't mind being banned for this, I stand by my posts and opinion that anyone who voted leave did so for the wrong reasons and it was the objectively stupid thing to do. Call me a bigot or whatever but you are wrong if you think leave is legitimately better. People were mislead and didn't know what they were voting for. The leave campaign had no plans to win and had no idea what to do if they did win. Please go ahead and make your case, I will read your post carefully and see if there are any arguments which haven't been previously presented. Heres a link to my previous post listing some of the reasons why leave was a bad idea. There are more reasons which have been covered by me and others. This will help you cut down your list of potential arguments. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525492&p=50643600&viewfull=1#post50643600[/url] Also you said 52% of voters who voted leave. Is that 52% of leave voters or 52% of voters? Coz I meant 100% of leave voters.[/QUOTE] 52% of the voters in the referendum You can't jump into calling people all sorts of names, maaan. Did they not teach you this in kinderga-- preschool?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644262]52% of the voters in the referendum You can't jump into calling people all sorts of names, maaan. Did they not teach you this in kinderga-- preschool?[/QUOTE] So wheres your case for leaving?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644267]So wheres your case for leaving?[/QUOTE] At the very least fucking with the EU and Merkel's refugee pumping agenda

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644300]At the very least fucking with the EU and Merkel's refugee pumping agenda[/QUOTE] Refugees were coming before Merkel proposed to germany would accept them - she didn't cause it. Italy had been complaining about refugees for ages and demanding funds - Germany essentially offered to help Italy. Maybe not the best decision but don't confuse yourself about causes, effects and solutions. So your reason for leaving is "fucking with the EU"? You some kind of nihilist? [sp](ah you're american. Spanish flagdog must be from a proxy. Why do some americans want the EU to fail? do they see the other kid's sandcastle with free healthcare and good standard of living and decide they want to ruin it? )[/sp]

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644300]and Merkel's refugee pumping agenda[/QUOTE] What would, in your eyes, be the best alternative to the current way the refugee crisis is handled?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644300][B]At the very least fucking with the EU[/B] and Merkel's refugee pumping agenda[/QUOTE] this is not something you do "for a laugh" this is the livelihood of millions of people and you call mdeceiver childish

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644312] So your reason for leaving is "fucking with the EU"? You some kind of nihilist? [sp](ah you're american. Spanish flagdog must be from a proxy. Why do some americans want the EU to fail? do they see the other kid's sandcastle with free healthcare and good standard of living and decide they want to ruin it? )[/sp][/QUOTE] Nah, not a proxy mate I'm having a nice time in Spain That free healthcare and "good standard of living" (???) Come with the traceback of a lack of freedom of speech, which is something so any European peoples have accepted sadly I want the European states to not be bound into a shifty form of government. What's wrong with everyone being friendly and controlling their own states, no refugee quotas or the like

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644391]Nah, not a proxy mate I'm having a nice time in Spain That free healthcare and "good standard of living" (???) [B]Come with the traceback of a lack of freedom of speech[/B], which is something so any European peoples have accepted sadly I want the European states to not be bound into a shifty form of government. What's wrong with everyone being friendly and controlling their own states, no refugee quotas or the like[/QUOTE] Wait what lmao Holy shit

Lack of freedom of speech? Sure, the world has gotten really PC fast but I haven't noticed anything that breaches my freedom of speech here in Sweden. I like my good standard of living and free healthcare, and I'd like more countries be able to enjoy that as well.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;50644401]Wait what lmao Holy shit[/QUOTE] At least in America you won't get fined for shittalking that midget edrogan or any other head of states Oh, arresting and fining people for "hate speech" is retarded, unless they were acting all "gas the Jews racewar now etc etc"

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644406]At least in America you won't get fined for shittalking that midget edrogan or any other head of states Oh, arresting and fining people for "hate speech" is retarded, unless they were acting all "gas the Jews racewar now etc etc"[/QUOTE] Yes, but is EU a singular country?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644391]Nah, not a proxy mate I'm having a nice time in Spain[/quote] Saw a post in a different thread where you referred to Canada as "our hat" and assumed that meant you were american. [quote] That free healthcare and "good standard of living" (???) Come with the traceback of a lack of freedom of speech, which is something so any European peoples have accepted sadly[/quote] So you think "traceback of a lack of freedom of speech" is a valid reason to leave? What does that even mean? traceback? [quote] I want the European states to not be bound into a shifty form of government.[/quote] Soo representative democracy is a shifty form of government? [quote] What's wrong with everyone being friendly and controlling their own states, no refugee quotas or the like[/QUOTE] Free movement of goods/services mean the contributing states need to have a similar standard of living and follow the same regulations. Common Monetary policy (making trade easier) would ideally have a common fiscal policy, previously this sorta worked but with places like greece being irresponsible its clear the EU needs to have a common fiscal policy for anyone using the euro, otherwise greece can spend the euros germany has to work for. Free movement of labour is a logical consequence of free movement of services - free movement of people follows logically from free movement of labour. Refugee quotas are a common sense solution to a serious issue, minimise the impact (economic and demographic) of refugees by spreading them out. All that said we still control our own states, we have our representative on the commision who answers to our represenative on the council aka the head of state. If we leave and still wish to trade with the EU, spoiler we have to, we will still have to follow their regulation cept with no say in said regulation ie have less control than before. If we leave the EU we would have no official say in the running of the EU ie less control than before. Any better leave reason than the previously stated "fucking with the EU"?

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644406]At least in America you won't get fined for shittalking that midget edrogan or any other head of states Oh, arresting and fining people for "hate speech" is retarded, unless they were acting all "gas the Jews racewar now etc etc"[/QUOTE] Erdogan is a piece of twat shit useless faggot cunt feces Juncker is a shitty little poo head Donald Tusk is a midget cunt version of Donald Trump Migrants cause more crime than EU nationals and we shouldn't accept them Dear EU, please fine me for this.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;50644440]Erdogan is a piece of twat shit useless faggot cunt feces Juncker has a teeny tiny baby dick Donald Tusk is a midget cunt version of Donald Trump Migrants cause more crime than EU nationals and we shouldn't accept them Dear EU, please fine me for this.[/QUOTE] Careful, jack booted unelected germans will come and put refugees into you

[QUOTE=EcksDee;50644440]Erdogan is a piece of twat shit useless faggot cunt feces Juncker is a shitty little poo head Donald Tusk is a midget cunt version of Donald Trump Migrants cause more crime than EU nationals and we shouldn't accept them Dear EU, please fine me for this.[/QUOTE] just got the eu political correctness bureau on the phone, the stEUrmtroopers are on their way, you're busted kiddo

oh shit son you fucked up now we all fucked up the pc gestapo is coming On a more serious note, I have really no idea what he's talking about of "lack of freedom of speech", sure Turkey got an asshole midget president but I still don't see the issue. I'm just concerned what will happen to all the upstarting farmers in the UK.. Here in Sweden, due to the EU, farmers get a lot of benefits especially those that wants to startup. Any idea how UK farmers will be affected by this? Both upcoming and not?

[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;50644451]just got the eu political correctness bureau on the phone, the stEUrmtroopers are on their way, you're busted kiddo[/QUOTE] paid for by YOUR taxes! 350m spent on boots for JUNKERS sturmwehr thought police. Lets give that to the NHS instead! edit: Please though niok give us your reasons why leaving the EU is better than remaining in it.

[QUOTE=IAmAnooB;50644458]oh shit son you fucked up now we all fucked up the pc gestapo is coming On a more serious note, I have really no idea what he's talking about of "lack of freedom of speech", sure Turkey got an asshole midget president but I still don't see the issue. I'm just concerned what will happen to all the upstarting farmers in the UK.. Here in Sweden, due to the EU, farmers get a lot of benefits especially those that wants to startup. Any idea how UK farmers will be affected by this? Both upcoming and not?[/QUOTE] Exactly, Turkey aint even in the fucking EU yet lmao

[QUOTE=EcksDee;50644495]Exactly, [I][B]Turkey aint even in the fucking EU yet [/B][/I]lmao[/QUOTE] Perhaps he didn't know this? Anyway, let's not get too off-topic. It'd be really interesting to see the debate, any idea where a non-UK citizen would be able to watch it?

[QUOTE=IAmAnooB;50644532]Perhaps he didn't know this? Anyway, let's not get too off-topic. It'd be really interesting to see the debate, any idea where a non-UK citizen would be able to watch it?[/QUOTE] UK Parliament live streams all its dealings. [url]http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Commons[/url]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644439]Saw a post in a different thread where you referred to Canada as "our hat" and assumed that meant you were american. So you think "traceback of a lack of freedom of speech" is a valid reason to leave? What does that even mean? traceback? Soo representative democracy is a shifty form of government? Free movement of goods/services mean the contributing states need to have a similar standard of living and follow the same regulations. Common Monetary policy (making trade easier) would ideally have a common fiscal policy, previously this sorta worked but with places like greece being irresponsible its clear the EU needs to have a common fiscal policy for anyone using the euro, otherwise greece can spend the euros germany has to work for. Free movement of labour is a logical consequence of free movement of services - free movement of people follows logically from free movement of labour. Refugee quotas are a common sense solution to a serious issue, minimise the impact (economic and demographic) of refugees by spreading them out. All that said we still control our own states, we have our representative on the commision who answers to our represenative on the council aka the head of state. If we leave and still wish to trade with the EU, spoiler we have to, we will still have to follow their regulation cept with no say in said regulation ie have less control than before. If we leave the EU we would have no official say in the running of the EU ie less control than before. Any better leave reason than the previously stated "fucking with the EU"?[/QUOTE] Fuck, all that shitty phone auto correct Shitty is transformed into shifty etc Fuck The EU seems to be stagnating, and states should take charge for their own matters is my reason [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;50644440]Erdogan is a piece of twat shit useless faggot cunt feces Juncker is a shitty little poo head Donald Tusk is a midget cunt version of Donald Trump Migrants cause more crime than EU nationals and we shouldn't accept them Dear EU, please fine me for this.[/QUOTE] Germany, not EU did the fining. Overall none of this shit really matters, as shit will heat up soon enough between China and Taiwan (US by proxy) and we will then say bye bye to humanity and hello to radiation burns and nuclear holocaust [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] Honestly, the EU having control and enforcing its own opinions and quotas on countries freaks me out

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644599]Fuck, all that shitty phone auto correct Shitty is transformed into shifty etc Fuck The EU seems to be stagnating, and states should take charge for their own matters is my reason [/quote] EU still grows. Not as fast as the BRICs but they are still developing, you get diminishing returns. Also the regulations which give us all a better quality of life and environment slow growth a bit, worth it imo.

Sometimes I hate how I see everything so cynically, but not like I can change that now lmao

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644599] Germany, not EU did the fining. [/QUOTE] We talking Böhmermann? He hasn't been fined. The law that [B]TURKEY[/B] is using to attempt to prosecute him is from mid-19th century. Germany has said it will repeal the law. [QUOTE]The EU seems to be stagnating, and states should take charge for their own matters is my reason[/QUOTE] EU is doing fine, wages are going up, quality of living is going up, real GDP is increasing, shit's p. good actually [QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644599] Honestly, the EU having control and enforcing its own opinions and quotas on countries freaks me out[/QUOTE] And this control is held by democratically elected officials who, in the EU parliament, represent their own national interests. Honestly if any of this was real then Estonia, a relatively small country, would be getting one-sidedly gutted for literally every penny, without getting anything in return. Our contribution to the EU meanwhile as a % of GDP is larger than the UK's, and honestly, we fucking aint worried about our sovereignty [B]because it aint being threatened.[/B]

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644623]Sometimes I hate how I see everything so cynically, but not like I can change that now lmao[/QUOTE] You could probably cut through a diamond with all that edge.

Not mine. [IMG]http://puu.sh/pQ1nu/75922659df.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50644650]Not mine. [IMG]http://puu.sh/pQ1nu/75922659df.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Would be nice to have sources. This also applies to every post you've ever made btw. I mean im googling it now and the first Cameron quote is a lie because of this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/J65mmku.png[/img] And also it's a misrepresentation because "Do okay" is not the same as "do better" Like 90% of this table is just such ambiguous shitty language it's not even funny. And yet you still don't have any scholarly academic sources to provide [B]LIKE THE HALF DOZEN I [/B][B] GAVE YOU.[/B]